----- Original Message ----- From: ljackson Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009 8:00 pm Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] scripts and thinking To: "Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group"
> And those folks that equate doing their own things with flying > by the seat > of their pants aren't going to do much better with scripted programs. > > Lori > > > On 2/22/09 4:34 PM, "Renee" wrote: > > > Lori, > > > > I agree with everything you've said. I just don't think that > "because> teachers might do their own thing" is a good reason to > buy a scripted > > program. I have no problem with following grade level > curriculum, AND > > like the freedom of doing certain things my own way within those > > parameters. And, I will also admit to following the occasional > > "teachable moment" that is not related to my particular grade level > > curriculum, and I think it is important to grab on to those moments > > without fretting about "losing time" or.... worse.... > "wasting" time. > > > > Renee > > > > On Feb 22, 2009, at 2:37 PM, ljackson wrote: > > > >> Thoughts...generally, I agree but I believe that districts > must strive > >> to > >> set meaningful parameters for teachers to work within. The > notion of > >> 'dong > >> your own thing' is so singly teacher dependent that when you cannot > >> guarantee the integrity and commitment of the teacher, it can > be very > >> dangerous. I base this on my experience with a few who > equate flying > >> by the > >> seat of their pants with doing their own thing. > >> > >> Lori > >> > >> > >> On 2/22/09 11:51 AM, "Renee" wrote: > >> > >>> 1. Why can a piano student not learn to play "the right > way" using a > >>> Beatles tune? > >>> > >>> 2. There is no THE right way to teach. > >>> > >>> 3. Some teachers' "own thing" is far, far more effective, > meaningful,>>> interesting, and motivating than a scripted > lesson that purports to be > >>> "the right thing." > >>> > >>> Renee > >>> > >>> > >>> On Feb 22, 2009, at 10:26 AM, Debbie Goodis wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hello, > >>>> I had to jump in here. My two cents. I used to take piano > as a child. > >>>> I would go to my lessons and then come back home, practice > for 5 > >>>> minutes and proceed to "do my own thing." My father would > scold me > >>>> and > >>>> say, "Learn to play the right way, then you can play anyway you > >>>> want!" > >>>> I knew what he meant. I was complaining that I had to play, Fur > >>>> Elise, > >>>> or some other classical piece when all I wanted to play was Joni > >>>> Mitchell or The Beatles. He wanted me to learn HOW TO PLAY, > get that > >>>> foundation, and then move on to making my own music. He was > >>>> right...it > >>>> was a good foundation. I think the same goes for scripts. I > used to > >>>> hate them, too, but I understand why the powers that be > think they > >>>> are > >>>> necessary. Too many teachers are doing "their own thing," > when they > >>>> should be aware of research about good teaching. Scripts > make sure we > >>>> "learn to teach the right way" so that we can then > incorporate those > >>>> techniques and make them our own. I am a thinking teacher > like all of > >>>> you and when I am observed I am never using "the script" > but I > >>>> always > >>>> get compliments on how well the students are engaged and > thinking. No > >>>> one has ever corrected the words I used during a lesson. We > use a > >>>> scripted program, but like all of you, I learned more from Lucy > >>>> Calkins and Debbie Miller. I mostly use the "scripts" from those > >>>> experts and like I said, I've never been corrected. With > all that > >>>> said, I know there are principals who wouldn't like > anything other > >>>> than the script being used during a lesson. That is > unfortunate, and > >>>> it tells me that those individuals are NOT thinking either! > Hope that > >>>> helps.. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ________________________________ > >>>> From: "teach2h...@aol.com" > >>>> To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > >>>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:59:15 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] scripts and thinking > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> In a message dated 2/20/2009 12:23:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, > >>>> mosaic-requ...@literacyworkshop.org writes: > >>>> > >>>> think scripts have a place for some teachers especially if > >>>> > >>>> Just food for thought:) Did any of us in our journey through > >>>> learning > >>>> how to > >>>> teach comprehension strategies and transforming our > classrooms into > >>>> literate > >>>> rich communities ever use "Debbie Millers script"? "Did > you say over > >>>> and over > >>>> again "So, how did that help you as a reader?" so many > times that you > >>>> felt it > >>>> was a recording? Possibly, but I bet you moved on to even deeper > >>>> conversation. You moved on with your readers and where they > were in > >>>> their journey. I > >>>> sure did use those scripts and sometimes still do. . . > especially>>>> when something > >>>> is still new to me. But, I am a thinking teacher and > appreciate>>>> Debbie and > >>>> Lucy's words as a model and use them until they become > comfortable>>>> and > >>>> become my own versions. . . until I am able to move past > them and > >>>> mold my own > >>>> words according to the readers I am with and their needs. > Thank you > >>>> so much Lucy > >>>> for giving me the "think about reading worker script I love > to use! > >>>> Thank you > >>>> so much to the "Learning Pad" site that has some wonderful > scripting.>>>> I did > >>>> not think of any of these great ideas, but used the ideas > to aide my > >>>> own > >>>> understanding and thinking. Do we not provide scripts for > our own > >>>> readers in our > >>>> classroom as we model conversations in reader's share each day? > >>>> Eventually, > >>>> they are asking these same questions of others and more > importantly>>>> of > >>>> themselves when they think about their thinking. "Scripts" > can have > >>>> their place in > >>>> learning. Starting with a script of some sort doesn't mean > one is > >>>> going to rely > >>>> on them always but is just using it as a jumping point. > Some may not > >>>> ever need > >>>> them, some may. Just my thoughts. > >>>> > >>>> Cynthia Hart > >>>> Lexington > >>>> **************Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. > >>>> (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search? > >>>> query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003) > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Mosaic mailing list > >>>> Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > >>>> To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > >>>> http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/ > >>>> mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > >>>> > >>>> Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Mosaic mailing list > >>>> Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > >>>> To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > >>>> http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/ > >>>> mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > >>>> > >>>> Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> "And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make." > >>> ~ John Lennon / Paul McCartney ~ Carry That Weight > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Mosaic mailing list > >>> Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > >>> To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > >>> http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/ > >>> mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > >>> > >>> Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> Lori Jackson > >> District Literacy Coach & Mentor > >> Todd County School District > >> Box 87 > >> Mission SD 57555 > >> > >> http:www.tcsdk12.org > >> ph. 605.856.2211 > >> > >> > >> Literacies for All Summer Institute > >> July 17-20. 2008 > >> Tucson, Arizona > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Mosaic mailing list > >> Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > >> To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > >> http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/ > >> mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > >> > >> Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > >> > >> > > > > "When you learn, teach. When you get, give." > > ~ Maya Angelou > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mosaic mailing list > > Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > > > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org.> > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > > > > -- > Lori Jackson > District Literacy Coach & Mentor > Todd County School District > Box 87 > Mission SD 57555 > > http:www.tcsdk12.org > ph. 605.856.2211 > > > Literacies for All Summer Institute > July 17-20. 2008 > Tucson, Arizona > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mosaic mailing list > Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > Does any one know how to unsubscribe to this. 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