On 9 Oct 2007, at 06:16, Alex Pilosov wrote:
On Mon, 8 Oct 2007, vijay gill wrote:
Really, reading this thread has left me stupider. I guess instead of
focusing on things like the lightweight agenda, abysmal content and
actual value to be had from NANOG, we are getting tied up
discussing an
offhand remark about a convicted felon. I submit that nanog as a
whole
is stupider under this formal SC/MLC/PC/whatever than when it was
under
the benevolent dictatorship of Susan.
It takes Vijay to cut to the core of the issue and drop science like
bombs.
Sometimes benevolent dictatorship is much better at getting things
done.
The useful thing with democracy is you can change the leadership, the
bad thing is that the electorate are usually pretty bad at getting it
right!
Anyway.. I think Vijay and yourself are being unnecessarily harsh.
I believe the SC does a good job, they are unpaid individuals
spending a lot of time putting together NANOG content and reviewing
submissions.
It was an excellent point made by Ferg that it should be easier for
him to present. I think comments like that could be useful and I
agree, if someone who is known to be a quality presenter outlines
what sounds like a quality presentation their should be discretion
within the SC to allow it through and drop some hoops. Just be
careful that you don't make it a club and difficult for outsiders to
present tho else it will become stale.
afaik Susan never put the content together by herself, there was
always a program committee overseeing that function which is now part
of the SC remit.
ditto on the MLC, it is a damn difficult job (having been on it
myself). Have you ever tried keeping up with all the nanog posts and
not just thread-deleting for stuff you don't take interest in? Its
unpaid and thankless, if you do nothing people complain about off-
topic posts and if you take action people complain about your action.
You just need to make sure you get a balance and achieve that by
choosing your MLC members...
the MLC was also previously a committee .. it is just the
constitution and process which changed
Certainly for the years I've been involved with NANOG the complaints
have always been there .. you can't please everyone, just make sure
the mandate is relevant and keep to it accepting someone people will
continue to be unhappy.
So.. Vijay, Alex, Ferg .. why not get involved (if you're not
already) .. and keep the criticism positive, its not that hard to cut
through the crap and point out stupidities, this isn't set in stone.
And as for this thread, I'm in danger of trolling by replying, c'mon
guys, get a grip! :)
Steve
