Hi Marc Thanks for your clarification of the subject, I was already wondering what it was all about, now I am informed
Thanks again Andreas Maria Jacobs w: http://www.nictoglobe.com w: http://burgerwaanzin.nl "Politics is the Architecture of Death" On 24 Oct 2010, at 18:07, marc garrett <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Rob & all, > > Thanks for the link to the P2P (Foundation) conversation between > Michel > Bauwens & Geert Lovink. > > Lovink's relationship with 'free culture' comes from a micro > perspective, influenced by connections built around an active respect > for the idea, and possibly a personal reliance on structures which > rely > on frameworks dedicated, in supporting some form of 'official' > authority. This creates a less socially grounded and intuitive > understanding of why people are engaged in such things. > > Things cannot always be defined through theory or through 'officially' > culturalized platforms or accepted intellectually condoned hierarchies > alone. To be truly engaged, one has to cross over into different > elements of being, connecting and touching - not necessarily because > it's part of one's practice, but because it relates to everyday life > and > experience as well. Thankfully, such things can't be measured, > packaged > made into chewable concepts so easily. Where ever we happen stand to > stand in the scheme of things, we only possess part of the picture, > not > the whole thing. > > Yet, what this situation communicates to me, is that many out there > feel > they know or have a particular advantage of the bigger picture because > of their positions in relation to their privilege, rather than their > actual engagement in a field such as free culture. And what theorists > want, really does not matter - it's what people want that matters > precisely because they are the users the community. > > "At the moment the amateurs are blocking the careers of entire > generations of young professionals. With this the rich knowledge of > professions is threatened to disappear (for instance those doing > investigative journalism). We have to stop this talent drain and not > create economies that have to live off charity. Free networks should > take themselves more serious. The first step to get there should be to > critically investigate the ‘ideology of the free’. New forms of > production, as you call it, cost money. We need to circulate money so > that it can flow into those circles that have taken up the task to > seriously construct tomorrow’s tools.” > (http://www.digicult.it/digimag/article.asp?id=1148)" > > I disagree with the idea that amateurs are the enemy. Free culture is > dictated and driven by amateurs' and their very human behaviours, just > as much as by anyone else. This may trouble those who wish to > control it. > > The other thing is that, critical engagement does not always have to > be > defined through specific groups of people. Creating a professional > class > may sound like a pretty decent idea to some, but for something to > really > have social significance and a cultural life, it needs to be allowed > to > live beyond a hermetically sealed vacuum. > > Having said all this, I feel that is Geert as an individual does > propose > some interesting arguments. What he proposes may not necessarily sit > right, but they address important questions around how and why things > 'should' always be free. If we want something to be free, perhaps the > motives and ideas need to be explored more regularly or more deeply, > rather than everyone just accepting and adopting the idea of it as an > absolute. It's a bit like accepting democracy without knowing why its > there in the first place - perhaps we just need to remind ourselves > why > we have it. > > Wishing you well. > > marc > >> >> "While such a critique is of course welcome and necessary, I was >> rather >> shocked in Venice when I listened to such a lecture, to discover that >> Geert Lovink’s considers the free culture movement as an enemy, be >> cause >> it advocates everything to be free. Geert presented the following >> expressions of free as ‘the enemy’: the freeconomic ideas of Ch >> ris >> Anderson (who in fact, also does not advocate everything to be >> free, but >> rather explains its economic rationale in a era of very cheap digital >> reproducibility), the Oxcars free culture festival (which pays it >> artists!), and the Barcelona charter on digital rights. This >> equation is >> of course entirely untrue, and I was surprised that someone of Gee >> rt’s >> stature, could make the classic mistake between free speech and free >> beer, which has been clarified ages ago." >> >> > http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/on-the-difference-between-free-speech-and-free-beer-free-culture-as-people-want-to-be-free/2010/05/25 >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list [email protected] http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
