Hello All, On the subject of Free Culture I'm on my way to Barcelona for the http://2010.fcforum.net/en Its my first time in Barcelona Anyone been there before? Any recommendations?
All the best Kevin On 25 October 2010 12:26, marc garrett <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Andreas, > > Thanks for your patience, I will call you Andreas if you don't mind. > > I have been enjoying looking at the many art, theory & projects on > Nictoglobe - it's a great archive. Such as Darko Fritz's 204_NO_CONTENT > http://www.nictoglobe.com/new/ainac2010/darko.html > > I noticed that you were also involved in BBS culture like myself :-) > > wishing you well. > > marc > > > > > Hi Marc > > > > Yes, thanks for asking > > > > My name is > > > > Andreas Maria Jacobs > > > > But I use also (since 1985) > > > > Agam Andreas or A. Andreas > > > > You can call me Andreas or Agam whatever you prefer > > > > Sorry for any possible confusion > > > > > > Andreas Maria Jacobs > > > > w: http://www.nictoglobe.com > > w: http://burgerwaanzin.nl > > > > On 24 Oct 2010, at 23:10, marc garrett <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> Hi Andreas, > >> > >> I'm sure you knew ;-) > >> > >> ----- > >> > >> Could I just ask you a question? > >> > >> Is your name also 'Agam (A.) Andreas' ? > >> > >> what name should I use in the future? > >> > >> Much thanks > >> > >> marc > >>> Hi Marc > >>> > >>> Thanks for your clarification of the subject, I was already wondering > >>> what it was all about, now I am informed > >>> > >>> Thanks again > >>> > >>> Andreas Maria Jacobs > >>> > >>> w: http://www.nictoglobe.com > >>> w: http://burgerwaanzin.nl > >>> > >>> "Politics is the Architecture of Death" > >>> > >>> On 24 Oct 2010, at 18:07, marc garrett > >>> <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> Hi Rob & all, > >>>> > >>>> Thanks for the link to the P2P (Foundation) conversation between > >>>> Michel > >>>> Bauwens & Geert Lovink. > >>>> > >>>> Lovink's relationship with 'free culture' comes from a micro > >>>> perspective, influenced by connections built around an active > >>>> respect > >>>> for the idea, and possibly a personal reliance on structures which > >>>> rely > >>>> on frameworks dedicated, in supporting some form of 'official' > >>>> authority. This creates a less socially grounded and intuitive > >>>> understanding of why people are engaged in such things. > >>>> > >>>> Things cannot always be defined through theory or through > >>>> 'officially' > >>>> culturalized platforms or accepted intellectually condoned > >>>> hierarchies > >>>> alone. To be truly engaged, one has to cross over into different > >>>> elements of being, connecting and touching - not necessarily because > >>>> it's part of one's practice, but because it relates to everyday life > >>>> and > >>>> experience as well. Thankfully, such things can't be measured, > >>>> packaged > >>>> made into chewable concepts so easily. Where ever we happen stand to > >>>> stand in the scheme of things, we only possess part of the picture, > >>>> not > >>>> the whole thing. > >>>> > >>>> Yet, what this situation communicates to me, is that many out there > >>>> feel > >>>> they know or have a particular advantage of the bigger picture > >>>> because > >>>> of their positions in relation to their privilege, rather than their > >>>> actual engagement in a field such as free culture. And what > >>>> theorists > >>>> want, really does not matter - it's what people want that matters > >>>> precisely because they are the users the community. > >>>> > >>>> "At the moment the amateurs are blocking the careers of entire > >>>> generations of young professionals. With this the rich knowledge of > >>>> professions is threatened to disappear (for instance those doing > >>>> investigative journalism). We have to stop this talent drain and not > >>>> create economies that have to live off charity. Free networks should > >>>> take themselves more serious. The first step to get there should > >>>> be to > >>>> critically investigate the ‘ideology of the free’. New forms of > >>>> production, as you call it, cost money. We need to circulate money > >>>> so > >>>> that it can flow into those circles that have taken up the task to > >>>> seriously construct tomorrow’s tools.” > >>>> (http://www.digicult.it/digimag/article.asp?id=1148)" > >>>> > >>>> I disagree with the idea that amateurs are the enemy. Free culture > >>>> is > >>>> dictated and driven by amateurs' and their very human behaviours, > >>>> just > >>>> as much as by anyone else. This may trouble those who wish to > >>>> control it. > >>>> > >>>> The other thing is that, critical engagement does not always have to > >>>> be > >>>> defined through specific groups of people. Creating a professional > >>>> class > >>>> may sound like a pretty decent idea to some, but for something to > >>>> really > >>>> have social significance and a cultural life, it needs to be allowed > >>>> to > >>>> live beyond a hermetically sealed vacuum. > >>>> > >>>> Having said all this, I feel that is Geert as an individual does > >>>> propose > >>>> some interesting arguments. What he proposes may not necessarily sit > >>>> right, but they address important questions around how and why > >>>> things > >>>> 'should' always be free. If we want something to be free, perhaps > >>>> the > >>>> motives and ideas need to be explored more regularly or more deeply, > >>>> rather than everyone just accepting and adopting the idea of it as > >>>> an > >>>> absolute. It's a bit like accepting democracy without knowing why > >>>> its > >>>> there in the first place - perhaps we just need to remind ourselves > >>>> why > >>>> we have it. > >>>> > >>>> Wishing you well. > >>>> > >>>> marc > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> "While such a critique is of course welcome and necessary, I was > >>>>> rather > >>>>> shocked in Venice when I listened to such a lecture, to discover > >>>>> that > >>>>> Geert Lovink’s considers the free culture movement as an enem > >>>>> y, be > >>>>> cause > >>>>> it advocates everything to be free. Geert presented the following > >>>>> expressions of free as ‘the enemy’: the freeconomic ideas of Ch > >>>>> ris > >>>>> Anderson (who in fact, also does not advocate everything to be > >>>>> free, but > >>>>> rather explains its economic rationale in a era of very cheap > >>>>> digital > >>>>> reproducibility), the Oxcars free culture festival (which pays it > >>>>> artists!), and the Barcelona charter on digital rights. This > >>>>> equation is > >>>>> of course entirely untrue, and I was surprised that someone of Gee > >>>>> rt’s > >>>>> stature, could make the classic mistake between free speech and > >>>>> free > >>>>> beer, which has been clarified ages ago." > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/on-the-difference-between-free-speech-and-free-beer-free-culture-as-people-want-to-be-free/2010/05/25 > >>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> NetBehaviour mailing list > >>>>> [email protected] > >>>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> NetBehaviour mailing list > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > >>>> > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> NetBehaviour mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NetBehaviour mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > NetBehaviour mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list [email protected] http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
