Thanks Michael, Wow so much to see I haven't been on holidays in ages I'm so excited I think my heads going to explode. In the airport now it's early morning flight.
All the best Kevin On Monday, October 25, 2010, Michael Szpakowski <[email protected]> wrote: > Miro Foundation, Museum of Contemporary Art, Picasso Museum, Museum of > Pre-Columbian art ( across the street from the Picasso museum) and the Tapies > Foundation all great! > > http://www.bodegasepulveda.net/en/ubicacion.html > is a nice place to have lunch... > m. > > --- On Mon, 10/25/10, Kevin Flanagan <[email protected]> wrote: > >> From: Kevin Flanagan <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] The Telekommunist Manifesto from Dmytri Kleiner >> is out now! >> To: "NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity" >> <[email protected]> >> Date: Monday, October 25, 2010, 2:18 PM >> Hello All, >> >> On the subject of Free Culture I'm on my way to Barcelona >> for the >> http://2010.fcforum.net/en >> Its my first time in Barcelona >> Anyone been there before? >> Any recommendations? >> >> All the best >> >> Kevin >> >> >> On 25 October 2010 12:26, marc garrett <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > Hi Andreas, >> > >> > Thanks for your patience, I will call you Andreas if >> you don't mind. >> > >> > I have been enjoying looking at the many art, theory >> & projects on >> > Nictoglobe - it's a great archive. Such as Darko >> Fritz's 204_NO_CONTENT >> > http://www.nictoglobe.com/new/ainac2010/darko.html >> > >> > I noticed that you were also involved in BBS culture >> like myself :-) >> > >> > wishing you well. >> > >> > marc >> > >> > >> > >> > > Hi Marc >> > > >> > > Yes, thanks for asking >> > > >> > > My name is >> > > >> > > Andreas Maria Jacobs >> > > >> > > But I use also (since 1985) >> > > >> > > Agam Andreas or A. Andreas >> > > >> > > You can call me Andreas or Agam whatever you >> prefer >> > > >> > > Sorry for any possible confusion >> > > >> > > >> > > Andreas Maria Jacobs >> > > >> > > w: http://www.nictoglobe.com >> > > w: http://burgerwaanzin.nl >> > > >> > > On 24 Oct 2010, at 23:10, marc garrett <[email protected]> >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > >> Hi Andreas, >> > >> >> > >> I'm sure you knew ;-) >> > >> >> > >> ----- >> > >> >> > >> Could I just ask you a question? >> > >> >> > >> Is your name also 'Agam (A.) Andreas' ? >> > >> >> > >> what name should I use in the future? >> > >> >> > >> Much thanks >> > >> >> > >> marc >> > >>> Hi Marc >> > >>> >> > >>> Thanks for your clarification of the >> subject, I was already wondering >> > >>> what it was all about, now I am >> informed >> > >>> >> > >>> Thanks again >> > >>> >> > >>> Andreas Maria Jacobs >> > >>> >> > >>> w: http://www.nictoglobe.com >> > >>> w: http://burgerwaanzin.nl >> > >>> >> > >>> "Politics is the Architecture of >> Death" >> > >>> >> > >>> On 24 Oct 2010, at 18:07, marc garrett >> > >>> <[email protected]> >> > >>> wrote: >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>>> Hi Rob & all, >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Thanks for the link to the P2P >> (Foundation) conversation between >> > >>>> Michel >> > >>>> Bauwens & Geert Lovink. >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Lovink's relationship with 'free >> culture' comes from a micro >> > >>>> perspective, influenced by >> connections built around an active >> > >>>> respect >> > >>>> for the idea, and possibly a >> personal reliance on structures which >> > >>>> rely >> > >>>> on frameworks dedicated, in >> supporting some form of 'official' >> > >>>> authority. This creates a less >> socially grounded and intuitive >> > >>>> understanding of why people are >> engaged in such things. >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Things cannot always be defined >> through theory or through >> > >>>> 'officially' >> > >>>> culturalized platforms or accepted >> intellectually condoned >> > >>>> hierarchies >> > >>>> alone. To be truly engaged, one has >> to cross over into different >> > >>>> elements of being, connecting and >> touching - not necessarily because >> > >>>> it's part of one's practice, but >> because it relates to everyday life >> > >>>> and >> > >>>> experience as well. Thankfully, >> such things can't be measured, >> > >>>> packaged >> > >>>> made into chewable concepts so >> easily. Where ever we happen stand to >> > >>>> stand in the scheme of things, we >> only possess part of the picture, >> > >>>> not >> > >>>> the whole thing. >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Yet, what this situation >> communicates to me, is that many out there >> > >>>> feel >> > >>>> they know or have a particular >> advantage of the bigger picture >> > >>>> because >> > >>>> of their positions in relation to >> their privilege, rather than their >> > >>>> actual engagement in a field such >> as free culture. And what >> > >>>> theorists >> > >>>> want, really does not matter - it's >> what people want that matters >> > >>>> precisely because they are the >> users the community. >> > >>>> >> > >>>> "At the moment the amateurs are >> blocking the careers of entire >> > >>>> generations of young professionals. >> With this the rich knowledge of >> > >>>> professions is threatened to >> disappear (for instance those doing >> > >>>> investigative journalism). We have >> to stop this talent drain and not >> > >>>> create economies that have to live >> off charity. Free networks should >> > >>>> take themselves more serious. The >> first step to get there should >> > >>>> be to >> > >>>> critically investigate the >> ‘ideology of the free’. New forms of >> > >>>> production, as you call it, cost >> money. We need to circulate money >> > >>>> so >> > >>>> that it can flow into those circles >> that have taken up the task to >> > >>>> seriously construct tomorrow’s >> tools.” >> > >>>> (http://www.digicult.it/digimag/article.asp?id=1148)" >> > >>>> >> > >>>> I disagree with the idea that >> amateurs are the enemy. Free culture >> > >>>> is >> > >>>> dictated and driven by amateurs' >> and their very human behaviours, >> > >>>> just >> > >>>> as much as by anyone else. This may >> trouble those who wish to >> > >>>> control it. >> > >>>> >> > >>>> The other thing is that, critical >> engagement does not always have to >> > >>>> be >> > >>>> defined through specific groups of >> people. Creating a professional >> > >>>> class >> > >>>> may sound like a pretty decent idea >> to some, but for something to >> > >>>> really >> > >>>> have social significance and a >> cultural life, it needs to be allowed >> > >>>> to >> > >>>> live beyond a hermetically sealed >> vacuum. >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Having said all this, I feel that >> is Geert as an individual does >> > >>>> propose >> > >>>> some interesting arguments. What he >> proposes may not necessarily sit >> > >>>> right, but they address important >> questions around how and why >> > >>>> things >> > >>>> 'should' always be free. If we want >> something to be free, perhaps >> > >>>> the >> > >>>> motives and ideas need to be >> explored more regularly or more deeply, >> > >>>> rather than everyone just accepting >> and adopting the idea of it as >> > >>>> an >> > >>>> absolute. It's a bit like accepting >> democracy without knowing why >> > >>>> its >> > >>>> there in the first place - perhaps >> we just need to remind ourselves >> > >>>> why >> > >>>> we have it. >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Wishing you well. >> > >>>> >> > >>>> marc >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>>> "While such a critique is of >> course welcome and necessary, I was >> > >>>>> rather >> > >>>>> shocked in Venice when I >> listened to such a lecture, to discover >> > >>>>> that >> > >>>>> Geert Lovink’s considers the >> free culture movement as an enem >> > >>>>> y, be >> > >>>>> cause >> > >>>>> it advocates everything to be >> free. Geert presented the following >> > >>>>> expressions of free as ‘the >> enemy’: the freeconomic ideas of Ch >> > >>>>> ris >> > >>>>> Anderson (who in fact, also >> does not advocate everything to be >> > >>>>> free, but >> > >>>>> rather explains its economic >> rationale in a era of very cheap >> > >>>>> digital >> > >>>>> reproducibility), the Oxcars >> free culture festival (which pays it >> > >>>>> artists!), and the Barcelona >> charter on digital rights. This >> > >>>>> equation is >> > >>>>> of course entirely untrue, and >> I was surprised that someone of Gee >> > >>>>> rt’s >> > >>>>> stature, could make the classic >> mistake between free speech and >> > >>>>> free >> > >>>>> beer, which has been clarified >> ages ago." >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>> >> > http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/on-the-difference-between-free-speech-and-free-beer-free-culture-as-people-want-to-be-free/2010/05/25 >> > >>>> >> > >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> > >>>>> NetBehaviour mailing list >> > >>>>> [email protected] >> > >>>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> > >>>> NetBehaviour mailing list >> > >>>> [email protected] >> > >>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> > >>> NetBehaviour mailing list >> > >>> [email protected] >> > >>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> > >> [email protected] >> > >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> > >> >> > > >> _______________________________________________ >> > > NetBehaviour mailing list >> > > [email protected] >> > > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > NetBehaviour mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list [email protected] http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
