Also, of course, see the buildings by Gaudi - Parc Guell, Casa Batllo, La
Pedrera but, unless you want to feel very very depressed give the Sagrada
Familia a miss - a horrible kitsch monstrosity wherre the work by Gaudi is
irremediably poisoned by his epigones...
--- On Tue, 10/26/10, isabel brison <[email protected]> wrote:
From: isabel brison <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Barcelona
To: "NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity"
<[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, October 26, 2010, 8:38 AM
> Its my first time in Barcelona
> Anyone been there before?
> Any recommendations?
Hello,
This is a good vegan restaurant, with cheap, tasty food:
http://www.sincarne.net/castellano/restaurantes-vegetarianos-barcelona/juicy-jones.htm
Also if you stay until the 4th Nov, there is an interesting exhibition opening
at the MACBA, about television and art:
http://www.macba.cat/controller.php?p_action=show_page&pagina_id=52&inst_id=27536
and there's another exhibition about TV at Arts Santa Monica:
http://www.artssantamonica.cat/EXP/EXPOSICIONS/tabid/128/any/201010/language/en-US/Default.aspx#exposicio27
oh, and there'll be Martha Rosler at La Virreina, and she's also giving talks
on the 28th and 29th Oct:
http://www.bcn.cat/virreinacentredelaimatge/english/home.htm
have fun!
On 26 October 2010 06:14, Kevin Flanagan <[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks Michael,
Wow so much to see I haven't been on holidays in ages I'm so excited I
think my heads going to explode. In the airport now it's early morning
flight.
All the best
Kevin
On Monday, October 25, 2010, Michael Szpakowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> Miro Foundation, Museum of Contemporary Art, Picasso Museum, Museum of
> Pre-Columbian art ( across the street from the Picasso museum) and the Tapies
> Foundation all great!
>
> http://www.bodegasepulveda.net/en/ubicacion.html
> is a nice place to have lunch...
> m.
>
> --- On Mon, 10/25/10, Kevin Flanagan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> From: Kevin Flanagan <[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] The Telekommunist Manifesto from Dmytri Kleiner
>> is out now!
>> To: "NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity"
>> <[email protected]>
>> Date: Monday, October 25, 2010, 2:18 PM
>> Hello All,
>>
>> On the subject of Free Culture I'm on my way to Barcelona
>> for the
>> http://2010.fcforum.net/en
>> Its my first time in Barcelona
>> Anyone been there before?
>> Any recommendations?
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>>
>> On 25 October 2010 12:26, marc garrett <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi Andreas,
>> >
>> > Thanks for your patience, I will call you Andreas if
>> you don't mind.
>> >
>> > I have been enjoying looking at the many art, theory
>> & projects on
>> > Nictoglobe - it's a great archive. Such as Darko
>> Fritz's 204_NO_CONTENT
>> > http://www.nictoglobe.com/new/ainac2010/darko.html
>> >
>> > I noticed that you were also involved in BBS culture
>> like myself :-)
>> >
>> > wishing you well.
>> >
>> > marc
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > Hi Marc
>> > >
>> > > Yes, thanks for asking
>> > >
>> > > My name is
>> > >
>> > > Andreas Maria Jacobs
>> > >
>> > > But I use also (since 1985)
>> > >
>> > > Agam Andreas or A. Andreas
>> > >
>> > > You can call me Andreas or Agam whatever you
>> prefer
>> > >
>> > > Sorry for any possible confusion
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Andreas Maria Jacobs
>> > >
>> > > w: http://www.nictoglobe.com
>> > > w: http://burgerwaanzin.nl
>> > >
>> > > On 24 Oct 2010, at 23:10, marc garrett <[email protected]>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Hi Andreas,
>> > >>
>> > >> I'm sure you knew ;-)
>> > >>
>> > >> -----
>> > >>
>> > >> Could I just ask you a question?
>> > >>
>> > >> Is your name also 'Agam (A.) Andreas' ?
>> > >>
>> > >> what name should I use in the future?
>> > >>
>> > >> Much thanks
>> > >>
>> > >> marc
>> > >>> Hi Marc
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Thanks for your clarification of the
>> subject, I was already wondering
>> > >>> what it was all about, now I am
>> informed
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Thanks again
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Andreas Maria Jacobs
>> > >>>
>> > >>> w: http://www.nictoglobe.com
>> > >>> w: http://burgerwaanzin.nl
>> > >>>
>> > >>> "Politics is the Architecture of
>> Death"
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On 24 Oct 2010, at 18:07, marc garrett
>> > >>> <[email protected]>
>> > >>> wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>> Hi Rob & all,
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Thanks for the link to the P2P
>> (Foundation) conversation between
>> > >>>> Michel
>> > >>>> Bauwens & Geert Lovink.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Lovink's relationship with 'free
>> culture' comes from a micro
>> > >>>> perspective, influenced by
>> connections built around an active
>> > >>>> respect
>> > >>>> for the idea, and possibly a
>> personal reliance on structures which
>> > >>>> rely
>> > >>>> on frameworks dedicated, in
>> supporting some form of 'official'
>> > >>>> authority. This creates a less
>> socially grounded and intuitive
>> > >>>> understanding of why people are
>> engaged in such things.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Things cannot always be defined
>> through theory or through
>> > >>>> 'officially'
>> > >>>> culturalized platforms or accepted
>> intellectually condoned
>> > >>>> hierarchies
>> > >>>> alone. To be truly engaged, one has
>> to cross over into different
>> > >>>> elements of being, connecting and
>> touching - not necessarily because
>> > >>>> it's part of one's practice, but
>> because it relates to everyday life
>> > >>>> and
>> > >>>> experience as well. Thankfully,
>> such things can't be measured,
>> > >>>> packaged
>> > >>>> made into chewable concepts so
>> easily. Where ever we happen stand to
>> > >>>> stand in the scheme of things, we
>> only possess part of the picture,
>> > >>>> not
>> > >>>> the whole thing.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Yet, what this situation
>> communicates to me, is that many out there
>> > >>>> feel
>> > >>>> they know or have a particular
>> advantage of the bigger picture
>> > >>>> because
>> > >>>> of their positions in relation to
>> their privilege, rather than their
>> > >>>> actual engagement in a field such
>> as free culture. And what
>> > >>>> theorists
>> > >>>> want, really does not matter - it's
>> what people want that matters
>> > >>>> precisely because they are the
>> users the community.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> "At the moment the amateurs are
>> blocking the careers of entire
>> > >>>> generations of young professionals.
>> With this the rich knowledge of
>> > >>>> professions is threatened to
>> disappear (for instance those doing
>> > >>>> investigative journalism). We have
>> to stop this talent drain and not
>> > >>>> create economies that have to live
>> off charity. Free networks should
>> > >>>> take themselves more serious. The
>> first step to get there should
>> > >>>> be to
>> > >>>> critically investigate the
>> ‘ideology of the free’. New forms of
>> > >>>> production, as you call it, cost
>> money. We need to circulate money
>> > >>>> so
>> > >>>> that it can flow into those circles
>> that have taken up the task to
>> > >>>> seriously construct tomorrow’s
>> tools.”
>> > >>>> (http://www.digicult.it/digimag/article.asp?id=1148)"
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> I disagree with the idea that
>> amateurs are the enemy. Free culture
>> > >>>> is
>> > >>>> dictated and driven by amateurs'
>> and their very human behaviours,
>> > >>>> just
>> > >>>> as much as by anyone else. This may
>> trouble those who wish to
>> > >>>> control it.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> The other thing is that, critical
>> engagement does not always have to
>> > >>>> be
>> > >>>> defined through specific groups of
>> people. Creating a professional
>> > >>>> class
>> > >>>> may sound like a pretty decent idea
>> to some, but for something to
>> > >>>> really
>> > >>>> have social significance and a
>> cultural life, it needs to be allowed
>> > >>>> to
>> > >>>> live beyond a hermetically sealed
>> vacuum.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Having said all this, I feel that
>> is Geert as an individual does
>> > >>>> propose
>> > >>>> some interesting arguments. What he
>> proposes may not necessarily sit
>> > >>>> right, but they address important
>> questions around how and why
>> > >>>> things
>> > >>>> 'should' always be free. If we want
>> something to be free, perhaps
>> > >>>> the
>> > >>>> motives and ideas need to be
>> explored more regularly or more deeply,
>> > >>>> rather than everyone just accepting
>> and adopting the idea of it as
>> > >>>> an
>> > >>>> absolute. It's a bit like accepting
>> democracy without knowing why
>> > >>>> its
>> > >>>> there in the first place - perhaps
>> we just need to remind ourselves
>> > >>>> why
>> > >>>> we have it.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Wishing you well.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> marc
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> "While such a critique is of
>> course welcome and necessary, I was
>> > >>>>> rather
>> > >>>>> shocked in Venice when I
>> listened to such a lecture, to discover
>> > >>>>> that
>> > >>>>> Geert Lovink’s considers the
>> free culture movement as an enem
>> > >>>>> y, be
>> > >>>>> cause
>> > >>>>> it advocates everything to be
>> free. Geert presented the following
>> > >>>>> expressions of free as ‘the
>> enemy’: the freeconomic ideas of Ch
>> > >>>>> ris
>> > >>>>> Anderson (who in fact, also
>> does not advocate everything to be
>> > >>>>> free, but
>> > >>>>> rather explains its economic
>> rationale in a era of very cheap
>> > >>>>> digital
>> > >>>>> reproducibility), the Oxcars
>> free culture festival (which pays it
>> > >>>>> artists!), and the Barcelona
>> charter on digital rights. This
>> > >>>>> equation is
>> > >>>>> of course entirely untrue, and
>> I was surprised that someone of Gee
>> > >>>>> rt’s
>> > >>>>> stature, could make the classic
>> mistake between free speech and
>> > >>>>> free
>> > >>>>> beer, which has been clarified
>> ages ago."
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/on-the-difference-between-free-speech-and-free-beer-free-culture-as-people-want-to-be-free/2010/05/25
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>>
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