On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 03:47, Aron Smith wrote: > On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 22:57, rikona wrote: > > Hello yankl, > > > > Sunday, September 21, 2003, 5:36:27 PM, you wrote: > > > > y> hence the end of my e-mail "man -k". Have any one done their home > > y> work? > > > > Yes, but it was not very helpful, as I mentioned. > > > > y> By typing "#man -k lilo" one can see what command it relates too. > > > > Aha - now we can actually see the un-natural language needed to get > > the answer. The page number is 'lilo', and we still have to keep the > > -k. :-) > > > > y> Unless we like to have m$users we need to start using all tools > > y> provided by OS. > > > > There are a ton of tools, that is not the problem. The problem is > > being able to find the right answer in this sea of tools. > > > > y> In my opinion the order of trying to solve something in the *nix > > y> should be as following: > > > > y> 1. HOWTO (tldp.org or build in) > > > > Often a good place to start, but it is still too 'command' oriented, > > rather than 'problem' oriented. > > > > y> 2. man page > > y> 3. google.com > > y> 4. newbie list > > > > I like 4, 3, and then 2 best. But then I'm a newbie. :-) I can fully > > understand why someone who already knows it would prefer the other > > order. > > > > y> If one will not try to figure out staff by him/herself we will have to switch > > y> to m$ like OS where it is one way to do it and its full of holes because it > > y> is more important to make it ease then to make it safe. > > > > Being safe and being easy to use, at least with respect to > > documentation, are unrelated. Better, problem-oriented documentation > > for linux might even make it easier to use than M$, especially if it > > is good-thesaurus, natural language based. Note that M$ is investing > > VERY heavily in people who do NL work. Hint, hint. If you want > > Mandrake to take off, this will be a key - there are just not enough > > geeks. :-))) > > > > Of course, there's the crowd that does NOT want it to take off - but > > that's another topic. > > > > y> teach man how to resource and he will nether go back to m$. > > > > If the resources are too hard to use, he will go back to M$ anyway. No > > amount of RTFM put-downs will change that - indeed, it will just > > accelerate it. > I think that the MAN pages are a holdover from the unix days and should > be rewritten possibly with examples > I think the newbie twiki should/could and will be the manpages, rewritten so that a simpler search engine (htdig?,, google) and simpler computer users can understand what is being said.
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