==============Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
> While you have made some good points, I guess I'm a little more optimistic
-------------yhs
The problem is that crippling linux with bad mouse support is seen as a
strategy to win over windows users. I think that strategy sucks. :-)
=====================
> With the mouse button support problem, this is mostly a problem with X
> (correct me if I'm wrong, is it possible to configure more than, say, 3
-----------------------
But X only supports 2, because they still support the 2 button mouse
which gives only 3 logical buttons: 1, 2, 1-2. This is not configuring a
3 button mouse at all. It has 7 logical buttons.
Unfortunately, this has caused enlightenment, for example, to use
alt-button combinations, which is the worst ergonomics possible.
In the suse manual there is an excellent article on ergonomics, but I
have never seen any of these experts take note of the tremendous toll
that right-left coordination takes. This makes their expertise entirely
questionable.
If X would go to 7 logical and use the alt or ctl-buttons as a
makeshift, we could have it all, but they just haven't done it
because.....
>
> On Sat, 23 Dec 2000 18:17, David Raleigh Arnold wrote:
> > =============Sridhar:
> > I never said that Windos users didn't have bad habits. The issue here is
> > that
> > my idea of "bad habits" differs slightly from yours. In my opinion, a
> > "bad
> > habit" is something that locks you into something, whether you like it
> > or
> > not.
> > -----yhs
> > I am locked into bad mouse support by 2-button mouse users. Linux mouse
> > support is hardly configurable at all. I have seen the sawfish mouse
> > dialog. Ridiculous.
> > ==============
> > I like the configurabliity of Linux, and it is
> > getting better all the time. We need to have a starting point,
> > ----yhs
> > A starting point is to configure 7 logical mouse buttons. Developers
> > should be able to assume that the user has access to at least 7 buttons.
> > ===================
> > and for
> > simplicity this should be similar to that of other popular OSs, in order
> > to win support. With time, however, we will break free
> > -------yhs
> > Never happen.
> > =============
> > of these
> > so-called "bad habits" and have a fully configurable OS. WMs like
> > Enlightenment and Sawfish are doing this already. It will take a while
> > --------yhs
> > forever
> > ===============
> > for this to happen to KDE, however, since it is made to be easy for
> > people migrating from M$-land.
> > -------yhs
> > The greater problem is that the qt library was intended to build windows
> > programs as well as kde. That means that kde will *never* develop decent
> > mouse support. Not as long as some form of W$ exists. As I said before,
> > the gnome developers do not have that excuse. They are afraid to be
> > different from kde. X has always used the middle mouse button, but there
> > has been no progress, and kde even caused a step or two backward. You
> > will notice that the middle mouse button is *finally* useful on a scroll
> > bar *again* in netscape the way it used to be on the first x scrollbars,
> > but the 3 button does nothing when it used to scroll backward in x. Also
> > the 1 % 2 buttons do the same thing on the little triangles at the ends
> > of the sb's, and the 3 button does nothing. This is progress?
> > ==================
> > OS/2 failed for a number of reasons.
> > ---------yhs
> > The most important was not ibm's mistakes, which were many, but M$
> > thuggish and illegal marketing, which was nothing short of extortion.
> > They have been tried and found guilty by judge Jackson. BG is a
> > criminal, and M$ is a criminal enterprise. BG will stay out of prison
> > but he belongs in one. (My government is so corrupt that it will commit
> > even acts of war and mass murder to help tyrants *if* they are rich. It
> > is not about to drag Gates into a criminal court.)
> > ================
> > Besides diehard OS/2 fans,
> > ------yhs
> > Not me, but right button drag is better, because you can both open
> > progs with one click and select multiple icons in a rectangle for
> > dragging. While some os2 progs required the middle mouse button, they
> > also allowed 1-2 as an alternative, thus crippling good mouse support.
> > The linux developers have learned nothing from this, and since millions
> > of suckers have bought ms mice shouldn't the little wheels be good for
> > something besides *scrolling ms word documents*???
> >
> > If anyonne still has a 2-button mouse, for God's sake *throw it out*
> > with your DD 5.25" diskettes! Let Santa bring you a *real* mouse. (The
> > wheel counts if you can click it.)
> >
> > I use the big logitech 4 button ball, because I use two keyboards at
> > once (one midi) and therefore I like a mouse that stays put. I tape
> > it down, so it won't drop on the floor (anymore). It's a great thing,
> > though it costs the earth. How many logical buttons is that?
> >
> > 15.
> >
> > I wouldn't mind a touchpad too. ;-)
> >
> > .daveA
>
> --
> Sridhar Dhanapalan.
> Your mouse has moved. Windows must be rebooted to acknowledge this change.
