As for your problem with ADSL, I remember emailing you (think it was you.)
to let you know that because there are so many variations on how ADSL is
setup, that its neearly impossible to point you to any one howto on the
subject...... I have an ADSL modem that connects to my hub or directly to a
second net card on my router box, and it does everything,, all I have to do
is setup the static IP and gateway and dns stuff, and it works great on MDK
7.2... maybe you should look at that as a possible solution,, the ADSL
modem is an Alcatel (and its one of only a few on their site..) it also
depends on if you ISP supports the option,, but the modem also supports ppp
over adsl, or pppoe,,,
without knowing specifically what methods your ISP supports, or the modem
they gave you, or the adsl equipment at the phone exchange,, how do you
expect us to instruct you to do it?? ADSL is fairly new, its not
standardised that much yet,, so everyone seems to be implimenting it
differently.....
you need to find others that use your ISP, and possibly linux, and ask them
what their setup entailed.
since your isp won't really help you with linux, perhaps you should ask them
for a description of how they have implimented adsl and then you have some
info to go looking for on the web.. you don't need to really understand
linux, you just have to understand how to find info and tips/fixes to do
stuff,,,, (I do it all the time and it hasn't failed me yet..)
The biggest reason you got little assistance on this list is simple, to show
you what I mean here is an example,
you have told us you have a problem with your car, it won't go, how do I fix
it?
we can't tell you, because we don't know what type, model and usage is, and
we only know from you that it didn't go,, could you diagnose something like
this?
I have dealt with ISP's on a professional basis for years now, and they do
something every similar with windows,,,
most common tech responces
1. somthing wrong with your modem, or its a win modem, replace it..
2. add this modem string to reduce line speed, see if that improves
something.
3. remove all network stuff from control panel/network and add them all
again.
4. your windows install is buggared, reload it and try again....
5. your problem is client ineptness, pay us money and we will come and fix
it for you.
The problem you discribe isn't a linux issue, its just that because windows
is more common on the desktop, everyone pays more attention to making sure
it works..
rgds
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of civileme
Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2001 6:04 AM
To: Loke Kit Kai; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??
On Saturday 23 June 2001 18:49, Loke Kit Kai wrote:
> I don't understand what are you trying to put through to me...
> basically, my language is on the weaker side...
>
> I do hate what Microsoft is doing, and I am impressed with
> Mandrake, trying to provide a user friendly os, but it will
> stop there if other applications do not provide the same user
> friendness Mandrake has provided... Remember, the whole world
> is full of non techies, and people who do not want to spend
> lots of time configuring their system... I just started a
> company with my classmate... do you think I can afford to
> spend time trying to get the drivers for my efficient adsl
> modem when mandrake itself don't want to support me? I
> followed the instructions, and what did I get, blank response.
> I posted to this mailing list, and what did I get, blank
> response. If you were in my shoes, do you think you will still
> faithfully stick to linux to solve the problem? I am already
> thinking of getting new hardware to solve that problem,
> because I can't wait any longer... But any useful assistant
> for configuring Samba would be appreciated. Don't tell me to
> refer to the documentation, because I don't understand it...
> Now, I would love to see linux succeed, but from the looks of
> it, it still have a long way to go... How about you guys stop
> arguing about the articles, and do something about the
> interface to cater for people who are not techies!!! You can
> open up the computer to learn the parts doesn't mean that the
> rest of the world needs to... Every person in the world plays
> a different role, and that role doesn't need in depth
> understanding about the internal workings about the
> computer...
>
>
Check MandrakeFreq. Damien has been working really hard on ADSL
support. Still, a lot of hardware is unsupported because
manufacturers just make it and write windows drivers for it and
market it, leaving the linux community with a job of reverse
engineering that is iffy and expensive, all in the name of
"Intellectual Property".
Now this list isn't the only place to get support. Did you try
MandrakeExpert? www.mandrakeexpert.com The link is on your
desktop.
There is also an expert mailing list, where people get help, and
there is a huge step-by-step on setting up samba at
www.mandrakeuser.org
But if you need things in a real hurry, get out the wallet and
buy the Gates solutions and be prepared to pay a small army of
people who have passed the certification exams (often the
product of boot camps where they take the tests several times a
day, and are coached by their instructors on what they did
wrong)... Oh and also, get the best data backup you can find,
because you will be using it a lot. And make sure before you
buy that your idea of how to do business matches theirs because
you will be fighting wizards uphill all the way if you want to
do something a little different.
So you have a choice, a quick and mediocre soultion, with few
choices, or a longer one with understanding (not to the level of
programming, but some) and the ability to make your own choices,
and the ability to trust the software.
And that choice is yours. If you put a little more effort into
looking and a little less into criticism, I think you would find
what you want, but you have to make that choice. We are not
here to make choices for you. If you have reached the
conclusion that because a newbie list cannot help you with an
expert problem, you have to jump to windows, so be it.
Civileme
