Ummm, where did that come from?  Calm it down a bit please.

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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ed Tharp
> Sent: 25 November 2001 20:03
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [newbie] The problem with Linux
> 
> 
> Rick, you remind me of a child of say,,sixteen, who believes 
> the world they 
> have seen is it, and views the universe as beeing all from 
> their (limited) 
> perspective. M$winders is not how _I_ think the world should 
> look, _I_ want 
> to decide, and I am willing to allow that "one mans cluster 
> f#ck is a nother 
> mans orgy" so maybe...just maybe...the folks that reallllllly 
> enjoy being a 
> sheep, can. and those who think that they might have to learn 
> to paint to 
> keep the cave from being like every other cave can also RTFD 
> to keep their 
> "virtul cave" as they need it to be.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> that while my car may be slow, it can lift your car, and put 
> it on a shelf. 
> 
> On Sunday 25 November 2001 13:36, you wrote:
> > > newbies shouldn't have to use the shell prompt to install 
> something.
> >
> > exactly - we dont have GUI's just for fun, if the GUI tools dont 
> > provide the power of there shell counterparts, then why the 
> hell not!!
> >
> > windows is almost exclusivly gui, and there is no end of extremly 
> > complicated and powerful software.
> >
> > > one other point, man pages are good, but may be difficult for a 
> > > linux newbie to interpret.  documentation needs to be in a 
> > > easy-to-use help gui inside of the gui application, or 
> formatted as 
> > > easy-to-understand .html files that the newbie can just 
> click around 
> > > in.  (fortunately, mandrake
> >
> > has
> >
> > > made a good effort on this end).
> >
> > MDK have made the effort, but they still managed to include quite a 
> > few duff links (links to other pages in the docs - not on the web)
> >
> > > again, if linux is to become mainstream on the desktop, 
> it needs to 
> > > overcome the above hurdles, namingly making everything extremely 
> > > simple
> >
> > and
> >
> > > easy for the new computer/linux user.
> >
> > and that's the problem - there are loads of Linux users who 
> share this 
> > dream, and there is an equal number trying to go in the opposite 
> > direction and keep Linux as Unix as possible. Everybody is 
> developing 
> > to their own ideals, no definite direction or purpose, 
> forcing users 
> > to have both the super GUI and the Unix installed at the 
> same time as 
> > neither do everything 100%
> >
> >
> > Rick
> >
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