Sorry, my message wan't pointed directly at you,,,
On November 25, 2001 10:33 am, Franki wrote: > Firstly, I wasn't talking about me.. I was refering to people unfamiliar > with the proceedure.. That's the point I was trying to make, it's the lack of familiarity, not a problem inherent to Linuxes (... or Linuxi?) > I have always managed to get things going.. but I know a shitload of people > that haven't been able to. > > <snip> > ..Wow, what a lazy bunch of buggers! > </snip> > > First, the 'hunting for libraries' complaint is moot: I have yet to look > any further than my own LM install disks for libraries-- LM is probably > better than many distros out there as they actually provide you with more > than one install CD and all the stuff they offer has been compiled for a > Mandrake system so it's going to work. > > <snip> > like I said, not my problem, but you don't have to install them in > windows,, (their method sux, with overwriting > and such, but it does make it more or less dead easy.) > </snip> > ...I'll stand by installations on Linux being different and not difficult and when you're installing RPMs through RPMDrake, dependencies are installed in the same go anyway so what's the big deal? > Second, no one says you *have* to install the latest kernel and it isn't > even > necessary unless you're adding brand new hardware that didn't exist six > months ago-- how many of you out there are installing kernels just because > it > has a higher number? > > <snip> > What about the recommended kernel upgrades, there have always been some in > the last few mdk versions.. > sometimes more then one,, (ie 7.2) 8 has had a security kernel upgrade, > and mandrake 8.1 has one now too. > (to address the recent ptrace bug and others..) > </snip> > OK, valid-- but that's two critical updates over hundreds of unwarranted kernel version updates (unwarranted for the average user...) > > > By-and-by the install process is standard-- using RPMs is easy enough and > for > the odd times when I have to compile there's always an "install.sh" or > "configure.sh"-- and another silly thing that even comes with Windoze > installations: README files-- how many of you have failed to install > something properly because you didn't read the instructions. > > <snip> > I didn't claim that windows was better, I loath windows and M$, but it is > undeniably easier. > 5000,000 morons can't be wrong. :-) > </snip> > ...Still don't have me convinced Linux is just different and much of the perceived difficulty is from having to change. I say this with absolute certainty because I had to change from Windows-thinking to Linux-thinking myself. > Bottom line: If you want something 'Just like Windows' then use Windows. > There is no such thing as out-and-out replacing an OS. They all have their > advantages and disadvantages. > > <snip> > I don't deny that at all, and I wasn't refering to that at all... I simply > made > a suggestion, such suggestions are the reason that KDE, Gnome and others > are slowly reaching > the same level of functionality as windows.. don't be a puritan, things > don't have to be hard.. > I can do it the hard way as well as anyone, I am just not so short sighted > as to think that it > may not be the most productive way to always do it the hard way.. and > incidently, all I said was > to create a self executable tar file or something that can do the hard work > for you, and then make it a > standard.. and just you watch, it will happen. each distro will end up with > a file in it somewhere that > details its locations policy, and the install tar can read that to work out > where to install everything, > and it could automatically update the rpm database, go and get libs or > whatever (assuming it doesn't contain > them already) and it would make loading apps easier then windows, which > means FAST to install, meaning > more productive.. I am not even concerned with difficulty myself, I don't > give a rats to be quiet honest. > I am concerned with getting it done fast, and moving on,, I don't like to > dick around when I could be > doing something more productive.. EFFICIENCY... thats what it is all about, > "More bang for your Click" so to > speak.. (thats not a bad theme that.. :-) > </snip> > > > And while we're at it the day Linux starts acting completely like Windows > is the same day I have to defragment my ReiserFS partition after I do a > virus scan because my firewalling software didn't work. > > <snip> > So you equate ease with worth? if something isn't hard to do or time > consuming, then it can't be any good? I spend more time actually using my home computer than maintaining it since I switched to Linux... three-hour hard-drive defrags with Win98? No one really wants that do they? > thats just outright bullshit,, how many sysadmins are not overworked? I > know I am,, so anything that makes > my job faster, means I am more productive, end of story. > </snip> Whoops, you missed the point, ReiserFS doesn't need defragging, there are no virii on Linux and Linux firewalling is done through proper packet filtering... It's just a bit of hyperbole, an exaggeration. The fact is there's less work to do on a Linux system because Linux is Linux and not Windows. Richie > > Linux is different. Get over it! I really don't care if my neighbour is > using it or not, I just want Linux to be there so I have a choice in how I > use my PC. Period! > > <snip> > ditto, and the fact that I use linux on servers mostly, goes to show that I > don't want it to be "winblows" (shudder) > nothing wrong with efficiency though.. > </snip> > > > rgds > > Frank > > > > Richie
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