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Gene - I would agree with your D.H. Lawrence quote. And as I often
quote from Peirce,
"Thought is not necessarily connected with a brain. It appears in
the work of bees, of crystals, and throughout the purely physical
world" 4.551.
That's a beautiful quote from Lawrence - and says in a broad sense
what I feel and think as well. But - I call that atheism!
Edwina
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On Sat 08/04/17 7:03 PM , Eugene Halton eugene.w.halto...@nd.edu
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Dear Edwina,
Thanks, but it was not so perfectly. The last Peirce phrase should
be “reasonableness energizing in the world.”
Not “universe.”
I’m glad you thought my words expressed what you were trying to
say, given that I am not an atheist, perhaps something closer to a
“religious atheist,” though that doesn't quite get it either. I
find D.H. Lawrence gets closer to it, the idea of "immersed in
creation,"from his 1924 description of attending an Apache ritual:
“There is, in our sense of the word, no God. But all
is godly. There is no Great Mind directing the universe. Yet the
mystery of creation, the wonder and fascination of creation shimmers
in every leaf and stone, in every thorn and bud, in the fangs of the
rattle-snake, and in the soft eyes of the fawn. Things utterly
opposite are still pure wonder of creation, the yell of the mountain
lion, and the breeze in the aspen leaves....There is no God looking
on. The only god there is, is involved all the time in the dramatic
wonder and inconsistency of creation. God is immersed, as it were, in
creation, not to be separated or distinguished. There can be no Ideal
God....”
Gene
On Apr 8, 2017 6:39 PM, "Edwina Taborsky" wrote:
Gene - thanks. Your last paragraph on knowledge says what I was
trying to say and I didn't express it very well - you've said it
perfectly.
Edwina
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On Sat 08/04/17 6:30 PM , Eugene Halton eugene.w.halto...@nd.edu
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John Sowa: “But every kind of Thirdness must be learned by
abduction. Observation can only detect post hoc. Propter hoc is an
abduction. An infant observes patterns in the parents' babbling,
imitates the babbling, and discovers that certain patterns bring
rewards.”
The expectations for communicative dialogical babbling are already
instinctively and musically embedded in the subcortical affirmative
mind of the infant. The dialogue facilitates the observational
process rather than inaugurates it through observation. We are born
to be wild intersocial, communicative abductors! The dialogue
continues over time as the infant’s upper brain starts to come
online, becoming more vocally-gesturally engaged, eventuating in both
the birth of symboling and a rebirthing of the toddler as a
symbolizer.
Jon Alan Schmidt: “this raises the question of what Peirce meant
by "God's purpose." As I mentioned in the other thread, I take it to
be the summum bonum--the "development of Reason," which is the growth
of knowledge about both God and the universe that He has created and
continues to create (CP 1.615; 1903).”
Surely the development of reasonableness is far more than the mere
growth of knowledge/knowledge about, or being a kind of spectator of
creation. Those are ideas from a civilization that has divorced
itself from the living spontaneity, as though true living would have
as its ultimate goal to become a know-it-all. True living involves
participation in creation through the primacy of affirmative mind, in
bodying forth and learning, to which knowing is at best secondary.
That is how I take Peirce’s statements that “the continual
increase of the embodiment of the idea-potentiality is the summum
bonum,” one involving a “reasonableness energizing in the
universe.”
Gene Halton
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