List,

John says: We should also remember that there are thousands of pages of MSS
that have not yet been transcribed and studied.  Nobody knows how
much more might be discovered about all these issues.  But the
fragments that do exist show that he had intended much more.


That kind of sentiment is what motivates the SPIN project, which has the aim of 
recruiting volunteers to transcribe the manuscripts using online collaborative 
tools. Taken together, Gary F and Jon S have transcribed about 1000 pages of 
the MS. If, say, 150 people did the same over the course of the next several 
years, then the Peirce community would have searchable online transcriptions of 
all of the MS--and those transcriptions could be corrected and amended little 
by little as more readers made use of the transcriptions. Alternately, if some 
hundreds of volunteers each transcribed a smaller number of pages, then there 
would less need for so many "super-volunteers" like Jon S and Gary F who have 
taken on the more Herculean task of transcribing whole lectures like the Lowell 
Lectures of 1903 or multiple drafts of essays like the Neglected Argument. I 
want to encourage anyone who has time and interest to engage in the 
project--even if it is just to transcribe a few pages or to make corrections in 
transcriptions made by others.


For those who would like to join in the collaborative transcriptions efforts, 
here is a link to the online FromThePage transcription platform:


https://fromthepage.com/jeffdown1/c-s-peirce-manuscripts

C. S. Peirce Manuscripts | 
FromThePage<https://fromthepage.com/jeffdown1/c-s-peirce-manuscripts>
fromthepage.com
C. S. Peirce Manuscripts - collection overview. The goal of the Scalable Peirce 
Interpretation Network (SPIN) is to develop a model environment for distributed 
collaboration that can support an international network of researchers, 
students, and citizen scholars in cooperative efforts to encode and interpret 
handwritten manuscripts, including those of high complexity. As our testbed, we 
plan to use the "Logic Notebook" that Charles Sanders Peirce, the founder of 
Pragmatism, kept as the seedbed and greenhouse for his ideas together with 
related sets of manuscripts in logic and semiotics. We are treating the pages 
in the MS 145 folder as a sandbox. Take the platform for a test run and play 
with the toolset. The enhanced set of LaTeX tools for encoding the algebraic 
formulas and graphical diagrams have been added, and a set of guidelines for 
making the encodings is ready to go. Here are links to Transcription Guidelines 
on the SPIN Project website, digital images of the Ma



Here is a link to a short video that explains how to get started:

https://vimeo.com/242639899


Here are the transcription guidelines:

https://sites.google.com/site/spinpeirce/transcribe


Those who have made transcriptions of the text will tell you that the efforts 
are quite enjoyable because it often feels like you are having a personal 
conversation with Peirce, it is fun to discover new things hidden in the MS, 
and it is rewarding to make a contribution to a larger Peirce community.


Yours,


Jeff


Jeffrey Downard
Associate Professor
Department of Philosophy
Northern Arizona University
(o) 928 523-8354


________________________________
From: Gary Richmond <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 10:33 AM
To: Peirce-L
Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Biosemiosis (was Lowell Lecture 3.12

John, Edwina, list,

I've nothing to add at the moment,  I too completely agree with the thrust of 
John's post. Let's hope that some of those untranscribed manuscripts will one 
day yield more relevant material on this topic.

In reading Whitehead years ago I too noted many similarities to Peirce's 
thinking. Has there been any work (articles, dissertations, etc.) comparing the 
thinking of the two? As I recall, John, some of your papers touch on this. But 
I'm wondering if there has been any more extensive work in this area?

Best,

Gary R


[Gary Richmond]

Gary Richmond
Philosophy and Critical Thinking
Communication Studies
LaGuardia College of the City University of New York
718 482-5690

On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 11:40 AM, Edwina Taborsky 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

John, list

Thank you so much for your perceptive and articulate post. Of course - I 
strongly agree.

And I emphasize that semiosis is operative not merely in the more complex or 
larger-brain animals, but in all matter, from the smallest micro bacterium to 
the plant world to the animal world. And yes, even in the complex adaptive 
multi-unit systems such as human societies.

 I keep saying that 'plants talk to each other' and we are certainly finding 
out, by research, that they do just that.

However, semiosis is not equivalent to communication - a view that many become, 
I think, entrapped in. My view is that semiosis is morphological; that is, it 
forms matter ...transforming matter from one finite form to another finite form 
- within that semiosic triad.

And of course, this includes the physico-chemical realm where semiosic 
transformation also takes place, albeit at a, [thankfully] slower pace - which 
slow pace maintains the stability of this realm. The biological is a dynamic, 
active, constantly transformative and thus, is a ' productive of diversity'  
realm.

Again - thanks so much for your post.

Edwina



On Sat 20/01/18 11:19 AM , John F Sowa 
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> sent:

Edwina and Gary R,

I changed the subject line to biosemiosis in order to emphasize that
Peirce had intended semiosis to cover the full realm of all living
things. Note what he wrote in a letter to Lady Welby:

CSP, MS 463 (1908)
> I define a Sign as anything which is so determined by something else,
> called its Object, and so determines an effect upon a person, which
> effect I call its Interpretant, that the latter is thereby mediately
> determined by the former. My insertion of “upon a person” is a sop
> to Cerberus, because I despair of making my own broader conception
> understood.

I believe that "despair" is the primary reason why he didn't say more.
His insistence on continuity implied that the faculties of the human
mind must be continuous with the minds (or quasi-minds) of all living
things anywhere in the universe. But if he had said that, he would
have been denounced by a huge number of critics from philosophy,
psychology, science, religion, and politics.

Edwina
> I do think that limiting Peircean semiosis to the human conceptual
> realm is a disservice to Peircean semiosis... I won't repeat my
> constant reference to 4.551.

Gary
> I believe, you've had to depend on CP 4.551 as much as you have
> (there are a very few other suggestions scattered through his work,
> but none of them are much developed).

The reason why there are so few is that Peirce felt a need to
throw a "sop to Cerberus" in order to get people to take his ideas
seriously. I'm sure that he would gladly have written much more
if they were ready to listen.

For a very important and carefully worded quotation, see CP 2.227:
> all signs used by a "scientific" intelligence, that is to say,
> by an intelligence capable of learning by experience.

That comment certainly includes all large animals. In addition
to explicit statements about signs, it's important to note his
anecdotes about dogs and parrots. He observed some remarkable
performances, which implied "scientific intelligence". Although
he didn't say so explicitly, he wouldn't have made the effort
to write those anecdotes if he didn't think so.

Since Peirce talked about "crystals and bees" in CP 4.551, he must
have been thinking about the continuity to zoosemiosis, and from that
to the intermediate stages of phytosemiosis, biosemiosis by microbes,
crystal formation, and eventually to all of chemistry and physics.
He would have been delighted to learn about the signs called DNA
and the semiosis that interprets those signs in all aspects of life.

Many people have observed strong similarities with Whitehead's
process philosophy. ANW also had a continuity of mind-like things
from the lowest levels to something he called God. He wrote most
of his philosophical books at Harvard, and he also wrote some
sympathetic words about Peirce. He admitted that he hadn't read
much of Peirce's work, but Clarence Irving Lewis, the chairman of
the philosophy dept. at that time, had studied Peirce's MSS in
great detail. And Whitehead was also the thesis advisor for the
two graduate students, Hartshorne and Weiss, who edited the CP.
ANW must have absorbed much more than he cited in his references.

We should also remember that there are thousands of pages of MSS
that have not yet been transcribed and studied. Nobody knows how
much more might be discovered about all these issues. But the
fragments that do exist show that he had intended much more.

John





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