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On 3/10/2021 8:46 PM, Jon Alan Schmidt wrote:
Terry, List:
TR: My intent was actually to suppose that it is only via the 2ns
of the gravity waves per se ... as an indexical 2ns “/event/” –
i.e., as change per se.
Thanks for clarifying, I agree with this.
TR: So my question now is, in what sense are those gravity waves,
at the moment of their initial physical manifestation, 3ns or even
2ns?
I am not sure that it is appropriate to say that something "is" 1ns,
2ns, or 3ns, although I have probably used that language myself at
times. Again, we arrive at the categories by /analyzing /whatever is
or could be present to the mind into its irreducible elements. All
three are always present in any phenomenon, so it is a matter of
sorting out which /aspects /of whatever we are contemplating
correspond to each one. Continuous space and time are manifestations
of 3ns, as are the laws that govern the formation, propagation, and
detection of gravity waves. Anything physical is primarily a
manifestation of 2ns, including the gravity waves themselves. The
qualities inhering in anything physical are manifestations of 1ns, but
their very embodiment entails degenerate 2ns; we cannot perceive or
even properly imagine /genuine /1ns, qualities as they are in
themselves apart from any instantiation.
TR: At that moment of origin, are they not purely iconic 1ns
(becoming indexical 2ns upon completion of the first gravitational
waveform, perhaps, 1ns prior to becoming ongoing cyclical change?)?
Iconic/indexical/symbolic correspond to 1ns/2ns/3ns only within the
context of semiosis, which also requires a sign/object/interpretant.
Moreover, a /pure /icon would have no object, only an interpretant;
and a /pure /index would have no interpretant, only an object. That is
why Peirce describes iconic and indexical signs as /degenerate/, while
symbolic signs--which always /involve/ iconic and indexical signs--are
/genuine/ (EP 2:306-307, 1904).
Regards,
Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA
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On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 11:00 PM Terry L Rankin
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Jon, Edwina, List:
I don’t think I stated or implied (or at least didn’t intend to do
so) that we can directly “experience” 1ns. My intent was actually
to suppose that it is only via the 2ns of the gravity waves per se
(i.e., cycles of compression/decompression affecting whatever
media those waves move through, e.g., as magnetic fields of nearby
stars are affected or as eventually detected by the LIGO
observatory instruments), as an indexical 2ns “/event/” – i.e., as
/change/ per se.
So my question now is, in what sense are those gravity waves, at
the moment of their initial physical manifestation, 3ns or even
2ns? At the instant of origin of the waveform itself -- not when
or after they’ve begun to propagate to impact other stars nearby
(or at a distance), or finally when LIGO instruments detect them,
or reports are written about them in the scientific literature –
but at the moment of their ignition or inception in the 1ns of
that inspiral collision? At that moment of origin, are they not
purely iconic 1ns (becoming indexical 2ns upon completion of the
first gravitational waveform, perhaps, 1ns prior to becoming
ongoing cyclical change?)?
What am I missing about CP 5.484, EP 2:411, 1907 (as quoted by JAS
below) that rules this out?
TR
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