> On 21 Oct 2016, at 16:43, Sean P. DeNigris <s...@clipperadams.com> wrote: > > Tudor Girba-2 wrote >> I would kindly ask for patience. What is perhaps less clear is that this >> editor is in the critical path of the GT project and we are committed to >> deliver an editor that actually works. We are still investigating >> different paths, both on the low level (like with Rope) and at the higher >> level (like how to organize the layout). > > I really appreciate your long-term vision. My point/concern is that IMHO the > most important thing is to "rachet up" - to alternate frequently between: > a) releasing working versions of current best ideas (the many benefits of > which include locking in progress, getting feedback from a wide audience, > and getting buy-in/allowing users to adapt), and > b) using that as a launching point for new experiments > > We are still using the same original awful text model that has stymied so > many users/projects! Let's focus on and release something useable - anything > - to take the pressure off while we invent the future. > > To illustrate the general principal, think about all the pain we have > experienced because the last (promised) crucial step of cleaning and > refactoring Squeak was not accomplished before beginning the next > experiment! My question is: where is the sweet spot between the zero vision > (but universal accessibility for actual work) of Java/C++, and infinite > vision (at the extreme cost of immediately-usable artifacts) of > Squeak/VPRI[1]?
amen. think is: is like the third time we start once again to build the next huge steps. and frankly, while waiting for that we have a text model that sucks and a cool text model unfinished and usable and a text editor that cannot handle complicated stuff because it is not ready, etc. etc. it feels bad. it tastes bad. and is not good at all. Esteban > > 1. This is not a criticism; they are just in a different business (cathedral > building) > > > > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/ANN-Sparta-v1-1-tp4919394p4919647.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >
