> On 21 Oct 2016, at 17:19, Esteban Lorenzano <esteba...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> On 21 Oct 2016, at 16:43, Sean P. DeNigris <s...@clipperadams.com> wrote: >> >> Tudor Girba-2 wrote >>> I would kindly ask for patience. What is perhaps less clear is that this >>> editor is in the critical path of the GT project and we are committed to >>> deliver an editor that actually works. We are still investigating >>> different paths, both on the low level (like with Rope) and at the higher >>> level (like how to organize the layout). >> >> I really appreciate your long-term vision. My point/concern is that IMHO the >> most important thing is to "rachet up" - to alternate frequently between: >> a) releasing working versions of current best ideas (the many benefits of >> which include locking in progress, getting feedback from a wide audience, >> and getting buy-in/allowing users to adapt), and >> b) using that as a launching point for new experiments >> >> We are still using the same original awful text model that has stymied so >> many users/projects! Let's focus on and release something useable - anything >> - to take the pressure off while we invent the future. >> >> To illustrate the general principal, think about all the pain we have >> experienced because the last (promised) crucial step of cleaning and >> refactoring Squeak was not accomplished before beginning the next >> experiment! My question is: where is the sweet spot between the zero vision >> (but universal accessibility for actual work) of Java/C++, and infinite >> vision (at the extreme cost of immediately-usable artifacts) of >> Squeak/VPRI[1]? > > amen. > > think is: is like the third time we start once again to build the next huge > steps. > and frankly, while waiting for that we have a text model that sucks and a > cool text model unfinished and usable and a text editor that cannot handle > complicated stuff because it is not ready, etc. etc. > it feels bad. it tastes bad. and is not good at all.
Yes, that does not feel good. But the fact that something is not completely finished is in the first place the responsibility of who started it in the first place - they did not drive there work all the way through (including integration, documentation, actively supporting it for a couple of years). > Esteban > >> >> 1. This is not a criticism; they are just in a different business (cathedral >> building) >> >> >> >> ----- >> Cheers, >> Sean >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://forum.world.st/ANN-Sparta-v1-1-tp4919394p4919647.html >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
