Hi Hilaire, Thanks for caring about the UI.
Unfortunately, your message sounded like an angry complaint and this often has the tendency to stifle collaboration. As I am sure this was not your intention, let’s try to take that energy and transform it into something positive that can lead to action. Concretely: You complained about the text in the tooltips. I understand that you do not have time to fix the code, but here is what you can easily do: propose the concrete pieces of text that would work for you and we can take it from there. What do you say? Cheers, Doru > On Feb 3, 2017, at 3:38 PM, Ben Coman <b...@openinworld.com> wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 4:54 PM, denker <marcus.den...@inria.fr> wrote: >> >> >>> On 3 Feb 2017, at 09:21, Hilaire <hila...@drgeo.eu> wrote: >>> >>> A UI quality team review would be needed before each Pharo release, I >>> mean with a real constraint to postpone release until a good enough >>> quality is reached! > > Its always a question of resources and priorities. > > For example, is the tooltip text more important than... > 17240 Spur - when saving an image, it never shrinks > 18638 Image is growing in size (unnecessary instances of UndoRedoRecords) > 19606 Switch SSL Plugin Code for macOS to openssl > 19645 Enabling search triggers error in the FastTable renderer for Glamour > 18654 Setting are not being loaded > 18668 Computer UUID does not change when image is moved to another machine > > Maybe yes from your perspective, passion and needs. > Maybe you don't feel you have time, expertise or passion to work on > those listed issues yourself. > But others may consider it more important for themselves to work on > the listed issues, > and that is what they work on with their limited time. > But since the Release can't be dragged out forever, > a cut must be made and perhaps the polish of the UI suffers. > > Now its often the case that the person who clearly sees the issues, > and is driven to find them, is best placed to solve them. If you are > willing to volunteer some effort there, I think that would be a great > thing. I don't want to drive it, but I would certainly be willing to > give close support to quickly review your slices and collaborate on > anything gnarly. > > cheers -ben > >> >>> In that context I can help. >>> >>> There are many place where tiny efforts could make the UI so much better >>> for newcomers. >>> >>> For example when I saw the debugger tooltips, there are just helpless, >>> their contents are the same as the button label, not acceptable!!! >>> >>> I can't understand the difference between 'over' and 'through'. I guess >>> other may think I don't understand the difference because I am an idiot, >>> but I guess there are a lot of idiots out there, and these are the ones >>> we want to come and *to stay* with Pharo! >>> >>> So any wish to *really* improve the UI quality, or just words? >>> >> >> Yes, words is the problem: it is *so* easy to know what others have to do. >> Trivial. *Doing* is hard… maybe you should be in charge of reviewing >> all changes for pharo for one month? >> > -- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "No matter how many recipes we know, we still value a chef."
