I thougt papists were child buggering idolatrous satanists!

On Wednesday, December 2, 2015, Regan Duffy <[email protected]> wrote:

> You are confusing being a Christian with being Roman Catholic, a
> denomination of Christianity.  Most Christians are not Catholic.  Going to
> church on Sundays and other Holy Days of Obligation is not a requirement
> for Catholics, participating in the Mass and restful observance of the
> Grace of God on those days is.
>
> *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID*
>
>
> Brian Bednarek <[email protected]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote:
>
> So your version of being a Christian is like a Chinese Menu ... pick what
> you like and ignore what you don't!!!
> Part of the Roman Catholic upbringing basically said it was a sin not to
> go to church every Sunday and Holy day of Obligation!!!
> I stopped attending when it felt more like an attendance contest than
> getting anything from the experience!!!
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote:
>
>> I don't think one has to "Regularly Attend" in order to identify as a
>> Christian, or holding Christian principles and tenets dear.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote:
>>
>>> That may be true or not, but I can say that I know more people who do
>>> not go to church or temple than do go. Especially people younger than me
>>> ... only time will tell!!!
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 8:11 AM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think you're misplaced, and that the trend toward spirituality and
>>>> religion will continue to grow.
>>>>
>>>> I've seen the 70 percent poll, (I think by Pew) but I've also seen
>>>> reputable polls that put the Nation's spirituality as a whole closer to 80
>>>> percent.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 7:54 AM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]
>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 70.6 is less than 75% (which I believe is 3/4) but the trend has been
>>>>> away from organized religion as a hole, it wont be long before it's below
>>>>> 50%.
>>>>>
>>>>> I personally stopped going to Church more than 30 years ago, I was
>>>>> raised Roman Catholic, I don't practice anymore ... I got it right!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]
>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> (The poll is by Gallop, and they're not too different than Pew....The
>>>>>> bottom line, is that more than three quarters of this Nation identify 
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> being Christian, and that is fact.....)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 3:39 PM, plainolamerican <
>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd trust Pew before a bunch of cowgirls in Houston.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 12:23:52 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.chron.com/life/houston-belief/article/Poll-Nearly-80-percent-of-Americans-say-they-are-2444092.php
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 1:20 PM, plainolamerican <
>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Christians, which is 80 percent of the Nation
>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>> delusion noted.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The number of Americans who identify as Christian has fallen
>>>>>>>>> nearly eight percentage points in only seven years, according to a new
>>>>>>>>> survey. Pew Research Center found that *71%* of Americans
>>>>>>>>> identified as Christian in 2014 - down from *78%* in 2007.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and of those 71%, only a small fraction are zionists ... sorta
>>>>>>>>> like the small percentage of muzzies who are radical killiers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/United.Syrian.Republic/videos/1730600583840768/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 10:13:59 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No doubt, there are some agencies who are Christian based, who
>>>>>>>>>> are advocating for the refugee program to continue.  Thankfully, the
>>>>>>>>>> majority of Christians, which is 80 percent of the Nation, are 
>>>>>>>>>> opposed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 11:02 AM, plainolamerican <
>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I do know that most Christians are opposed to the resettlement
>>>>>>>>>>> of Syrian Refugees in the United States
>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>> Christian groups break with GOP over Syrian refugees
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Evangelical Christians, as well as Christians more broadly, are
>>>>>>>>>>> a core group in the Republican electoral base and are among the most
>>>>>>>>>>> passionate advocates for aiding refugees.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> By NAHAL TOOSI <http://www.politico.com/staff/nahal-toosi>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 11/17/15 06:24 PM EST
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Updated 11/18/15 08:43 PM EST
>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Republican presidential candidate, former Arkansas Gov.
>>>>>>>>>>> Mike Huckabee speaks at executive committee luncheon during the 
>>>>>>>>>>> California
>>>>>>>>>>> GOP fall convention on Friday, Sept. 18, 2015 in Anaheim, Calif. (AP
>>>>>>>>>>> Photo/Chris Carlson)]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mike Huckabee along with other politicians, have worked to gain
>>>>>>>>>>> evangelical support, but may be threatening that by taking a stance 
>>>>>>>>>>> against
>>>>>>>>>>> Syrian refugees. | AP Photo
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Faith-based groups, who play a key role in resettling refugees
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the United States, say they are dismayed by the wave of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anti-refugee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fervor set off by the Paris terrorist attacks and are urging 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supporters to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contact elected officials on behalf of victims of the Syrian 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> civil war.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evangelical Christians, as well as Christians more broadly,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are a core group in the Republican electoral base and are among 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> passionate advocates for aiding refugees.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A push by Republican presidential candidates to ban Syrian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> refugees "does not reflect what we've been hearing from our 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituencies,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which are evangelical churches across the country," said Jenny 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yang, vice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> president for advocacy at World Relief, an evangelical 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> organization that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> helps resettle refugees. "Most of the people have been saying we 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> continue to work with refugees, that what happened in Paris ... 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn’t
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reflect who refugees are."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reports that a Syrian migrant may have played a role in last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week's attacks in Paris, which killed around 130 people, have 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set off a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GOP-led backlash over the Obama administration's plans to admit 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10,000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Syrian refugees next year. More than half of U.S. governors have 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do not want Syrian refugees resettled in their states, while 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> House Speaker
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul Ryan says he wants a vote this week on GOP-drafted 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> legislation to halt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the administration's plans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> World Relief is one of nine not-for-profit organizations,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> several of them faith-based, that help resettle up to 70,000 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> refugees from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around the world in the United States each year. Others include 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the U.S.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Conference of Catholic Bishops, Lutheran Immigration and Refugee 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Service,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the Church World Service. Many other faith-based groups, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> including
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evangelical Christian organizations, also perform aid work 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overseas
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specifically aimed at refugees fleeing conflicts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 151117_Paul_Ryan_AP_1160.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> House likely to vote Thursday on Syrian refugee bill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> By JAKE SHERMAN
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For Republican presidential contenders such as former Arkansas
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gov. Mike Huckabee and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, who have been 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working hard at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shoring up evangelical support in a crowded field, harsh words 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> against
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> refugees carries a risk of looking politically opportunistic 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compassionate. Some advocates were particularly shocked when 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presidential candidate Chris Christie, New Jersey's governor, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> U.S. should bar Syrian orphaned toddlers if necessary.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "That was offensive. That was mean-spirited," said one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> advocate with a Christian group that resettles refugees. He 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> added: "it’s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disappointing because there have been Republican senators and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presidents
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who have strongly supported this program over the years. There’s 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a proud
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tradition in the Republican Party of welcoming those who are 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fleeing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> persecution, and this takes the party in a negative direction. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It’s easy to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pick on vulnerable refugees who have no voice. But there are 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> immigrant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> groups who have voting power that understand what is going on. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand that it’s an anti-immigrant message."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even though many on the Christian right have reservations
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about immigration overall, and may in particular be unhappy 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who illegally enter the United States, there's long been a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recognition that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> refugees fall under a different category. The 11 million Syrians 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either fled the Arab country or are displaced within it are 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dodging
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> terrorist groups such as the Islamic State or the barrel bombs 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Syrian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> President Bashar Assad. Many are elderly, widowed or in need of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> medical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> care.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some Republican candidates have suggested that only Syrians
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who are Christian be allowed on U.S. soil, something President 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Barack Obama
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has blasted as shameful. Yang said many evangelical Christians 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oppose such a religious test, especially because many are eager 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to share
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their faith with new arrivals.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The United States so far has admitted roughly 2,100 Syrians
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since the conflict in the country began in March 2011. To be 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allowed in,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> refugees have to undergo the most stringent security checks of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any traveler
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heading to the United States, according to the State Department. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Officials
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the Obama administration on Tuesday began reaching out to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the media
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and lawmakers in a bid to explain the screening process, which 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> takes an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> average of 18-24 months.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile, faith-based groups have also stepped up their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> advocacy efforts for refugees. The U.S. Conference of Catholic 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bishops
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> released a statement expressing distress over calls by elected 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> officials to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> halt the resettlement program.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 151117_syrian_refugees_AP_1160.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> White House pushes back against GOP on refugees
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> By NAHAL TOOSI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "These refugees are fleeing terror themselves — violence like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we have witnessed in Paris," said the statement by Bishop 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eusebio Elizondo,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chairman of the conference's committee on migration. "Instead of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tragedy to scapegoat all refugees, I call upon our public 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> officials to work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> together to end the Syrian conflict peacefully so the close to 4 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> million
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Syrian refugees can return to their country and rebuild their 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> homes. Until
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that goal is achieved, we must work with the world community to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> safe haven to vulnerable and deserving refugees who are simply 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to survive."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since the Paris attacks, World Relief has used a website to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> urge people to contact their governors to express their support 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resettling Syrians. The Anti-Defamation League also has spoken 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out in favor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of helping the Syrian refugees, noting that U.S. wariness to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accept Jewish
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> refugees during World War II is an example that must not be 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repeated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jonathan Greenblatt, the chief executive officer of the ADL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and a former Obama aide, stressed that much remains unknown 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about the Paris
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attacks, including the exact nature of the allegation that a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Syrian migrant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was one of the eight or nine attackers. Even if a terrorist 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posed as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> migrant to reach France, it's less likely that the U.S., with 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oceans to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> protect it and a stricter screening process, faces the same 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> level of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dangers, other advocates said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Republicans and Democrats have to tread very carefully
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here," Greenblatt said. "Faith-based voters are very attentive 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues. They’re very sensitive to helping those in need."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joanne Kelsey, assistant director for advocacy with Lutheran
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Immigration and Refugee Service, said she hoped that the sound 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and fury
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over refugees would soon be replaced with reason as Republican 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lawmakers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and officials get more details about how the refugee program 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "This is a very reactionary time," she said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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