KIT, Oh I understood what you said. I simply stronly disagree with it. Are YOU attempting to suggest it is Un-American to NOT solve potentially dangerous situations with firearms? Please take note I did not suggest either option was Un-American. YOU took it upon yourself to offer the personal opinion as to what was un-American, not I. Where the fuck did I even mention law-enforcement officers? That would be true only if burglers knew, or strongly suspected, the homeowner had firearms and knew how to use them. You do realize that the vast majority of burglaries take place when there's no one at home to use said firearms. In fact burglarizing un-occupied homes is a common way for criminals to obtain firearms.
Why do you have your panties all wadded up over the idea that someone would suggest firearms are not the only, or even the first option, in dealing with confrontational situations? Why has gotten you so riled up? I'd HATE to have to kill someone just because I had neither the skills or inclination to resolve the situation any other way. The pistol I always carry with me I regard as a LAST RESORT to save me from serious harm or death. Why would I want to kill a person I did not absolutely HAVE to? And no, I would not kill a human being over material property. I have insurance on my property. On Jun 21, 2:08 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > Once again Holly, > > I encourage you to read, and then re-read the posts, so you (and other > Democrats and far left extremists) can attempt to comprehend and > understand.....Especially before you get on a board and start making > inconsequential statements. > > Let's review one more time: > > Dik said: > > "Guns are the lazy solution to problems." > > Then, after giving an abridged history lesson regarding firearms in our > Nation, I made the remark: > > "There is nothing lazy about discouraging an attack with firearms Dick, it > is the American way! Anything less is un-American!" > > Now, what part of my message is it that you don't believe, "I suggested"? > > What part of my message is it that you are not fully comprehending? Are you > attempting to suggest that it is Un-American for folks to carry firearms as > a deterrent? Are you trying to suggest that the purpose of law enforcement > officers carrying a gun is not as a deterrent? Do you not believe that > folks who have firearms in their homes are less likely to be burglarized > than folks who are unarmed, and if your answer is "Yes"; then don't you > think this is because of the deterrence factor? > > On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Hollywood <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > KIT, > > > Of course they are part of our history, lots of things are. So what? > > No you didn't just "suggest it". You even went so far as to say > > anything less than your opinion was "un-American". Firearms should be > > used as sparingly as possible, you can't recall a bullet once it has > > been fired. > > > On Jun 21, 10:40 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hello Holly! > > > > Happy Father's Day to you also! > > > > Okay, real quick, maybe you can understand this, if I make it simple. > > > > Dik suggests that guns are not the answer. In fact, Dik says, "Guns are > > the > > > lazy solution to problems." > > > > I suggest to Dik that guns are a part of our history, and have worked > > well > > > as a deterrent as well as a negotiating factor for assholes who seem to > > be a > > > little slow, over two hundred years. > > > > Dik becomes quiet, Perp proves that my theory is correct by discussing > > how > > > she almost blew away a S.O.B. with a Mossberg. > > > > Almost time to fire up the grills here in Tampa Town, but if you have any > > > more questions, or if I can clarify anything else for ya, by all means, > > give > > > a Hollar!! > > > > Keith > > > > On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Hollywood <[email protected] > > >wrote: > > > > > KIT, > > > > > Morning Keith, Happy Father's Day. > > > > > Oh yes, please do explain to me what your little essay has to do with > > > > how rapists pick out their targets. > > > > I look at a given post and scroll down to the little line that says > > > > "Show quoted text" to see what that post is responding to. I don't go > > > > wandering thru the thread or threads trying to find a post that maybe, > > > > might have something to do with it. > > > > > On Jun 21, 6:23 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Good Morning Dik, > > > > > > Unlike Dick, I tend to believe you. We all have had life experiences > > > > where > > > > > we have options to either master and use our diplomatic skills.....Or > > > > not. > > > > > > I too have been successful in negotiating a number of tense > > situations, > > > > (my > > > > > story is long and boring!!) but I have also been in situations where > > > > one's > > > > > "diplomatic skills" counted for naught. > > > > > > I believe that you too have been in such situations; whether guns > > were a > > > > > part or parcel of the scenario or not. Sometimes, a show of strength > > and > > > > > force is the only way to negotiate. > > > > > > Hey Holly!! > > > > > > Once again, I know that it is difficult for you to comprehend > > everything > > > > > that is written on your first reading. I suggest that you go back, > > > > re-read > > > > > Dik's initial comment, and then re-read my post. If there are > > questions > > > > > after doing so, then I will be more than happy to try and break down > > the > > > > > history as well as the analogy for you. > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 12:42 AM, RICHARD BROWN < > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I've watched 15 members of a street gang who were armed with > > chains, > > > > > > knives and clubs and wanting to attack me change their minds after > > > > > > about two minutes. Five minutes later we parted in good spirits. > > > > > > I've watched eight Tiajuana police officers put their guns away and > > > > > > remove their roadblock in less than two minutes when they had been > > > > > > determined to take me into custody one way or another before I was > > > > > > stopped by them. It really is all about mind set. > > > > > > Dik > > > > > > > On Jun 20, 9:25 pm, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > It also has to do with the mindset of the thug. Thugs are not > > > > usually > > > > > > > up to being dissed by someone like the woman you are postulating > > - > > > > and I > > > > > > > don't believe it for a second unless the thug was a browbeaten > > mama's > > > > > > boy. > > > > > > > > RICHARD BROWN wrote: > > > > > > > > I wrote a play about just such a woman. I met her when she was > > 75. > > > > > > > > She was 4;8" tall and blind since birth. I saw her dismiss a > > guy > > > > who > > > > > > > > was 6:10 and weighed about 300 lbs. wearing a white suit and a > > > > power > > > > > > > > tie. He was literally shaking afterwards and the people around > > him > > > > > > > > were laughing behind their hands. She didn't put up with any > > crap > > > > > > > > from anyone. > > > > > > > > It has to do with your mind set not the caliber of your gun. > > :-) > > > > > > > > Dik > > > > > > > > > On Jun 20, 8:56 pm, dick thompson <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> I would bet you are not a sub 5 foot woman weighing about 85 > > lb > > > > > > soaking > > > > > > > >> wet and with arthritis and osteoporosis either. Supposed you > > were > > > > > > such > > > > > > > >> a woman and a thug tried to break in at 3 AM. Do you think > > she > > > > would > > > > > > > >> not need a weapon to subdue the thug or would she just smile > > and > > > > sing > > > > > > > >> Kumbaya to him and he would melt with the glorious aura of > > her > > > > > > > >> personality and hand over his weapon and apologize for > > bothering > > > > her > > > > > > and > > > > > > > >> leave with his head down in disgrace. > > > > > > > > >> RICHARD BROWN wrote: > > > > > > > > >>> Keith, for 35 years I owned and operated an investigation > > agency > > > > with > > > > > > > >>> 12 operatives. We never used guns and we had many of them > > > > pointed at > > > > > > > >>> us. We worked in every neighborhood in southern California, > > > > > > including > > > > > > > >>> Watts. None of us were ever harmed. We knew how to solve > > any > > > > > > > >>> situation without violence. I have faced down 15 men on two > > > > > > occasions > > > > > > > >>> without having to use a gun or resort to violence. I have > > stood > > > > up > > > > > > to > > > > > > > >>> robbers and murderers without being assaulted. It is not un- > > > > > > > >>> American. I am not opposed to others who want to own or use > > > > guns. I > > > > > > > >>> just have never found a need to do so. I have disarmed two > > > > visitors > > > > > > > >>> to our hospital without violence. When we have a Code Grey I > > > > arrive > > > > > > > >>> on the scene and immediately bring the hostile person to a > > > > peaceful > > > > > > > >>> mindset because of my training. I know that most people find > > > > this to > > > > > > > >>> be alien to their experience. Certainly the staff at the > > > > hospital do > > > > > > > >>> not understand how I do it, they just know that I can do it. > > > > Anyone > > > > > > > >>> can do it, but they have to surrender the mind set of > > violence as > > > > a > > > > > > > >>> solution to any problem. When they do that, they are able to > > see > > > > the > > > > > > > >>> obvious solution. > > > > > > > >>> Sometimes you don't have to kick the machine, just plug it > > in. > > > > :-) > > > > > > > >>> Dik > > > > > > > > >>> On Jun 20, 7:55 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >>>> Firearms are the foundation of this Nation, as our > > forefathers > > > > wrote > > > > > > in both > > > > > > > >>>> the Federalist, and Anti-Federalist Papers. All were pretty > > > > much > > > > > > agreed on > > > > > > > >>>> the purposes of the Second Amendment, which was: > > > > > > > > >>>> (1) To protect one's family and property against vermin, > > > > wildlife, > > > > > > thieves, > > > > > > > >>>> rogues, bandits, etc.; > > > > > > > > >>>> (2) To protect one's family, home and Nation against > > foreign > > > > > > invaders; and > > > > > > > >>>> to act as a deterrent; and most importantly; > > > > > > > > >>>> (3) To protect one's family, home, and Nation against a > > > > tyrannical > > > > > > > >>>> government, and to act as a deterrent against an out of > > control > > > > > > > >>>> government. Those such as Charles Schumer, Nanc Pelosi, > > and > > > > other > > > > > > far left > > > > > > > >>>> extremists would do away with this provision of our > > > > Constitution. > > > > > > > > >>>> There is nothing lazy about discouraging an attack with > > firearms > > > > > > Dick, it is > > > > > > > >>>> the American way! Anything less is un-American! > > > > > > > > >>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 10:44 PM, RICHARD BROWN < > > > > > > > > >>>> [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > >>>>> Rapists pickon women who appear weak, timid and > > vulnerable. > > > > If a > > > > > > > >>>>> woman has studied any kind of martial arts, she will walk > > and > > > > carry > > > > > > > >>>>> herself in a bold and confident > > ... > > read more » > > Holly!!TakeNote!!.jpg > 148KViewDownload- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
