Title 8 of the US Code as currently published by the US Government reflects the laws passed by Congress as of *Jan. 8, 2008*, and *it is this version that is published here*. seems to me it is a little too late to affect me. It is from the link on your page. found here at "how current....."
§ 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth How Current is This?<http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/HowCurrent.php/?tn=8&fragid=T08F00248&extid=usc_sec_08_00001401----000-&sourcedate=2009-05-01&proctime=Sat May 2 07:41:55 2009> Liked I said.... you are so correct and all knowing I am going to surrender my and my daughters passports passport and tell the Embassy/State Dept. that they are interpreting the law as it stood at the time of my birth incorrectly. This law is ammended and appended evey couple of years, I do not have a 1950s' law library here. I do know that I have held a legal US passport since I was two or three years old. If you can't live with it.... complain; I'm sure that retroactively changing a law is rather commonplace.....NOT!!! On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > TITLE 8 >CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part I > § 1401 > > § 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth > > The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at > birth: > > (a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the > jurisdiction thereof; > > The above is not a source, Mark. It is US Law. I have identified it > clearly enough that you can easily find it for yourself. The part > where is says "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" is what > excludes the children of diplomats from citizenship by birth on US > soil. You said your father was the German Consul and that you were > born in a consular office. Consuls have diplomatic immunity and are > not subject to the US law, nor are their children. > > > On Aug 4, 10:31 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > Like I said Zeb. You and your "sources" know best. I will indeed > surrender > > my US passport at once. > > > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Since you think Canadian lawyers are morons and don't know immigration > > > law, try this: > > > > >http://immigration.findlaw.com/immigration/immigration-citizenship-na. > .. > > > > > Birth in the United States > > > > > A child born on American soil automatically gets U.S. citizenship, > > > unless the child is born to a foreign government official who is in > > > the United States as a recognized diplomat. Children born in certain > > > U.S. territories -- Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, and Guam -- may > > > also acquire U.S. citizenship. For details, see Title 8 of the U.S. > > > Code, available atwww.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08. > > > > > On Aug 3, 10:36 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Yes, laws do change, live with it, I do. The law in effect at the > time of > > > > birth is the law that decides your status as a citizen. You are > correct > > > in > > > > one respect... I was born in the last century. Further, you are the > one > > > > saying I do not qualify.... the US government disagrees with you. I > > > prefer > > > > to believe my passport is genuine, mere possession of a US passport > > > proves > > > > you wrong. What you believe but can not prove is irrelevant. > > > > Dual Nationality > > > > > > The concept of dual nationality means that a person is a citizen of > two > > > > countries at the same time. Each country has its own citizenship laws > > > based > > > > on its own policy.Persons may have dual nationality by automatic > > > operation > > > > of different laws rather than by choice. For example, a child born in > a > > > > foreign country to U.S. citizen parents may be both a U.S. citizen > and a > > > > citizen of the country of birth. > > > > > > A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a > person > > > > naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the > country > > > of > > > > birth.U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person > to > > > > choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person who is > automatically > > > > granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship. > > > However, > > > > a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may > lose > > > U.S. > > > > citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that > the > > > > person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free > > > choice, > > > > and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship. > > > > > > Intent can be shown by the person's statements or conduct.The U.S. > > > > Government recognizes that dual nationality exists but does not > encourage > > > it > > > > as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause. Claims of > > > other > > > > countries on dual national U.S. citizens may conflict with U.S. law, > and > > > > dual nationality may limit U.S. Government efforts to assist citizens > > > > abroad. The country where a dual national is located generally has a > > > > stronger claim to that person's allegiance. > > > > > > However, dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and > the > > > > foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both > countries. > > > > Either country has the right to enforce its laws, particularly if the > > > person > > > > later travels there.Most U.S. citizens, including dual nationals, > must > > > use a > > > > U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States. Dual nationals > may > > > also > > > > be required by the foreign country to use its passport to enter and > leave > > > > that country. Use of the foreign passport does not endanger U.S. > > > > citizenship.Most countries permit a person to renounce or otherwise > lose > > > > citizenship. > > > > Information on losing foreign citizenship can be obtained from the > > > foreign > > > > country's embassy and consulates in the United States. Americans can > > > > renounce U.S. citizenship in the proper form at U.S. embassies and > > > > consulates abroad. > > > > > > I keep quoting US sources and you throw a canadian/british law firms > > > > interpretation at me. > > > > > >http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Look pal, this is the law. And just coincidentally, IT MAKES SENSE. > > > > > You wanna argue that it was different sometime in the last century? > > > > > PROVE IT! Show me where the law used to be that the children of > > > > > foreign diplomats (consuls) were automatically afforded US > citizenship > > > > > and then show me when it changed. Otherwise your house of cards is > > > > > still on the ground. > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 9:34 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > and your "General Rule was adopted when ?? and it applies to my > US > > > > > > citizenship ?? then I guess the US passport I just renewed in the > > > > > emabassy > > > > > > in San Jose is no good.... > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Zebnick <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > YOU SAID: > > > > > > > > > >"I was born in a german consulare office in trhe US of German > > > parents > > > > > (my > > > > > > > father was the consul)" > > > > > > > > > Read it and weep: > > > > > > > > > Exceptions to the General Rule: > > > > > > > Foreign Sovereigns, Foreign Diplomats and their Families > > > > > > > The general rule does not apply to foreign sovereigns, > accredited > > > > > > > foreign diplomats or their families since under International > law > > > they > > > > > > > are not subject to the law of the foreign country which has > > > received > > > > > > > them. Accordingly, children born in the United States to such > > > > > > > individuals are not entitled to United States citizenship. > > > > > > > > > LOL! Its becoming apparent you're totally full of shit, ain't > it? > > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 8:39 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > You keep quoting exclusions that have been placed since the > 80's. > > > I > > > > > was > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > long before that. > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Zebnick <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. With very few exceptions, most of which have to do > with > > > > > children > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > to foreign government officials on assignment to the U.S > > > > > > > > > > > That would be YOU. Or were you born at the German Consulate > > > because > > > > > > > > > your mom was at a cocktail party there at the time? > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 4:57 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I did not "acquire" either, both were inherent at birth. > You > > > are > > > > > > > indeed > > > > > > > > > > wrong. I did acquire CR citizenship but without taking an > > > oath... > > > > > it > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > effect my prior citizenships at all. Now as to your > supposed > > > > > > > links.... > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > is from the US Embassy in Frankfort., Section IV sums it > up. > > > > > > > > > > > > U.S. Citizen Services in Germany Passports, Reports of > Birth > > > and > > > > > > > > > > Renunciations U.S. and German Citizenship and Dual > > > Nationality I. > > > > > > > Basic > > > > > > > > > > Primer on American Citizenship Law > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. A person can become an American citizen in one of > two > > > ways: > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > or by naturalization. > > > > > > > > > > 2. A person may be born a U.S. citizen by either jus > soli, > > > > > i.e., > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > place of birth, or jus sanguinis, i.e., through > descent > > > from > > > > > > > his/her > > > > > > > > > > parents. > > > > > > > > > > 3. With very few exceptions, most of which have to do > with > > > > > > > children > > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > > to foreign government officials on assignment to the > U.S., > > > a > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > born in > > > > > > > > > > any of the fifty states, Guam, Puerto Rico, and the > U.S. > > > > > Virgin > > > > > > > > > Islands is > > > > > > > > > > an American citizen at birth under the principle of > jus > > > soli, > > > > > > > > > regardless of > > > > > > > > > > the nationality of his/her parents. Please contact the > > > Embassy > > > > > or > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > nearest consulate for more information. > > > > > > > > > > 4. A person born outside the U.S. or its possessions > or > > > > > > > territories to > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > American parent may acquire citizenship at birth > through > > > jus > > > > > > > > > sanguinis. For > > > > > > > > > > additional information about the complicated issue of > > > > > transmission > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > U.S. > > > > > > > > > > citizenship by jus sanguinis, please visit the USCIS > > > website > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > contact the > > > > > > > > > > Embassy or your nearest consulate. > > > > > > > > > > 5. A non-American can become an American citizen at > some > > > time > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > his/her birth through the naturalization process, > i.e., by > > > > > > > applying > > > > > > > > > for U.S. > > > > > > > > > > citizenship and satisfying certain legal requirements. > > > > > Normally, > > > > > > > > > he/she must > > > > > > > > > > have resided legally in the U.S. for a considerable > period > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > becoming > > > > > > > > > > eligible for naturalization. Before being admitted to > > > > > citizenship, > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > applicant must give up any foreign allegiance and > promise > > > to > > > > > obey > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Constitution and laws of the U.S. For more information > > > about > > > > > > > > > naturalization, > > > > > > > > > > please contact the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration > > > Services, > > > > > > > > > Consulate > > > > > > > > > > General Frankfurt, Gießener Str. 30, 60435 Frankfurt > am > > > Main, > > > > > > > > > 069-7535-2233, > > > > > > > > > > -2243, or -2298, or visit the USCIS web page on > > > > > naturalization. > > > > > > > > > > 6. A child adopted by an American does not > automatically > > > > > become an > > > > ... > > > > read more » > > > -- Mark M. Kahle, , www.filacoffee.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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