Yes, laws do change, live with it, I do. The law in effect at the time of birth is the law that decides your status as a citizen. You are correct in one respect... I was born in the last century. Further, you are the one saying I do not qualify.... the US government disagrees with you. I prefer to believe my passport is genuine, mere possession of a US passport proves you wrong. What you believe but can not prove is irrelevant. Dual Nationality
The concept of dual nationality means that a person is a citizen of two countries at the same time. Each country has its own citizenship laws based on its own policy.Persons may have dual nationality by automatic operation of different laws rather than by choice. For example, a child born in a foreign country to U.S. citizen parents may be both a U.S. citizen and a citizen of the country of birth. A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth.U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship. However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship. Intent can be shown by the person's statements or conduct.The U.S. Government recognizes that dual nationality exists but does not encourage it as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause. Claims of other countries on dual national U.S. citizens may conflict with U.S. law, and dual nationality may limit U.S. Government efforts to assist citizens abroad. The country where a dual national is located generally has a stronger claim to that person's allegiance. However, dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries. Either country has the right to enforce its laws, particularly if the person later travels there.Most U.S. citizens, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States. Dual nationals may also be required by the foreign country to use its passport to enter and leave that country. Use of the foreign passport does not endanger U.S. citizenship.Most countries permit a person to renounce or otherwise lose citizenship. Information on losing foreign citizenship can be obtained from the foreign country's embassy and consulates in the United States. Americans can renounce U.S. citizenship in the proper form at U.S. embassies and consulates abroad. I keep quoting US sources and you throw a canadian/british law firms interpretation at me. http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > Look pal, this is the law. And just coincidentally, IT MAKES SENSE. > You wanna argue that it was different sometime in the last century? > PROVE IT! Show me where the law used to be that the children of > foreign diplomats (consuls) were automatically afforded US citizenship > and then show me when it changed. Otherwise your house of cards is > still on the ground. > > On Aug 3, 9:34 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > and your "General Rule was adopted when ?? and it applies to my US > > citizenship ?? then I guess the US passport I just renewed in the > emabassy > > in San Jose is no good.... > > > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > YOU SAID: > > > > > >"I was born in a german consulare office in trhe US of German parents > (my > > > father was the consul)" > > > > > Read it and weep: > > > > > Exceptions to the General Rule: > > > Foreign Sovereigns, Foreign Diplomats and their Families > > > The general rule does not apply to foreign sovereigns, accredited > > > foreign diplomats or their families since under International law they > > > are not subject to the law of the foreign country which has received > > > them. Accordingly, children born in the United States to such > > > individuals are not entitled to United States citizenship. > > > > > LOL! Its becoming apparent you're totally full of shit, ain't it? > > > > > On Aug 3, 8:39 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > You keep quoting exclusions that have been placed since the 80's. I > was > > > born > > > > long before that. > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > 3. With very few exceptions, most of which have to do with > children > > > born > > > > > to foreign government officials on assignment to the U.S > > > > > > > That would be YOU. Or were you born at the German Consulate because > > > > > your mom was at a cocktail party there at the time? > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 4:57 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I did not "acquire" either, both were inherent at birth. You are > > > indeed > > > > > > wrong. I did acquire CR citizenship but without taking an oath... > it > > > did > > > > > not > > > > > > effect my prior citizenships at all. Now as to your supposed > > > links.... > > > > > this > > > > > > is from the US Embassy in Frankfort., Section IV sums it up. > > > > > > > > U.S. Citizen Services in Germany Passports, Reports of Birth and > > > > > > Renunciations U.S. and German Citizenship and Dual Nationality I. > > > Basic > > > > > > Primer on American Citizenship Law > > > > > > > > 1. A person can become an American citizen in one of two ways: > by > > > > > birth > > > > > > or by naturalization. > > > > > > 2. A person may be born a U.S. citizen by either jus soli, > i.e., > > > > > through > > > > > > place of birth, or jus sanguinis, i.e., through descent from > > > his/her > > > > > > parents. > > > > > > 3. With very few exceptions, most of which have to do with > > > children > > > > > born > > > > > > to foreign government officials on assignment to the U.S., a > > > person > > > > > born in > > > > > > any of the fifty states, Guam, Puerto Rico, and the U.S. > Virgin > > > > > Islands is > > > > > > an American citizen at birth under the principle of jus soli, > > > > > regardless of > > > > > > the nationality of his/her parents. Please contact the Embassy > or > > > your > > > > > > nearest consulate for more information. > > > > > > 4. A person born outside the U.S. or its possessions or > > > territories to > > > > > an > > > > > > American parent may acquire citizenship at birth through jus > > > > > sanguinis. For > > > > > > additional information about the complicated issue of > transmission > > > of > > > > > U.S. > > > > > > citizenship by jus sanguinis, please visit the USCIS website > or > > > > > contact the > > > > > > Embassy or your nearest consulate. > > > > > > 5. A non-American can become an American citizen at some time > > > after > > > > > > his/her birth through the naturalization process, i.e., by > > > applying > > > > > for U.S. > > > > > > citizenship and satisfying certain legal requirements. > Normally, > > > > > he/she must > > > > > > have resided legally in the U.S. for a considerable period > before > > > > > becoming > > > > > > eligible for naturalization. Before being admitted to > citizenship, > > > the > > > > > > applicant must give up any foreign allegiance and promise to > obey > > > the > > > > > > Constitution and laws of the U.S. For more information about > > > > > naturalization, > > > > > > please contact the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, > > > > > Consulate > > > > > > General Frankfurt, Gießener Str. 30, 60435 Frankfurt am Main, > > > > > 069-7535-2233, > > > > > > -2243, or -2298, or visit the USCIS web page on > naturalization. > > > > > > 6. A child adopted by an American does not automatically > become an > > > > > > American citizen. For more information about the > naturalization of > > > > > adopted > > > > > > children, please contact the Immigration and Naturalization > > > Service at > > > > > the > > > > > > address, telephone numbers, and/or web site in paragraph 5 > above. > > > > > > 7. Americans have a right under U.S. law to renounce their > U.S. > > > > > > citizenship in a consulate abroad. For more information on > loss of > > > > > U.S. > > > > > > citizenship, please contact the Embassy or your nearest > consulate. > > > > > > > > II. Basic Primer on German Citizenship Law > > > > > > > > 1. A person can become a German citizen in one of three ways: > by > > > > > birth, > > > > > > by adoption as a minor, or by naturalization. > > > > > > 2. A person may be born a German citizen by either jus > sanguinis, > > > > > i.e., > > > > > > through descent from his/her parents, or jus soli, i.e., > through > > > place > > > > > of > > > > > > birth. > > > > > > 3. As a general rule, a child born to a German citizen parent > > > > > > automatically acquires German citizenship at birth through jus > > > > > sanguinis, > > > > > > regardless of the place of birth. There are exceptions under > > > present > > > > > law, > > > > > > however, and have been many in the past. For more information > > > about > > > > > how > > > > > > German citizenship may be transmitted by a German parent, > please > > > > > contact > > > > > > your local Staatsangehörigkeitsbehörde (or Standesamt, in some > > > parts > > > > > of > > > > > > Germany). > > > > > > 4. As of January 1, 2000, a child born in Germany to > non-German > > > > > parents > > > > > > automatically acquires German citizenship at birth by jus soli > if: > > > (1) > > > > > at > > > > > > least one parent had lived legally in Germany for at least > eight > > > years > > > > > prior > > > > > > to the birth; (2) at the time of the birth, that parent had a > > > > > permanent > > > > > > residence permit (either an Aufenthaltsberichtigung or, for > the > > > three > > > > > years > > > > > > prior to the birth, an unbefristete Aufenhaltserlaubnis). > *Note > > > that: > > > > > * > > > > > > - The child must choose between German nationality and the > > > > > nationality > > > > > > of his/her parents before he/she turns 23 years of age, > unless > > > > > > it is legally > > > > > > impossible for him/her to give up his/her parents' > nationality, > > > in > > > > > which > > > > > > case he/she must apply to the German authorities for dual > > > > > > nationality before > > > > > > turning 21. > > > > > > - Special rules apply to children born between February 2, > > > 1990, > > > > > and > > > > > > December 31, 1999, who have until December 31, 2000, to > apply > > > for > > > > > German > > > > > > citizenship. > > > > > > - Those born in Germany to non-German parents before > February > > > 2, > > > > > 1990, > > > > > > have no claim to German citizenship under this law. > > > > > > - For more information, please contact your local > > > > > > Staatsangehörigkeitsbehörde or the nearest office of the > > > > > Ausländerbeirat > > > > > > (Foreigners Advisory Council). > > > > > > 5. A person can become a German citizen at some time after > his/her > > > > > birth > > > > > > through the Einbürgerung (German naturalization) process, > i.e., by > > > > > applying > > > > > > for German citizenship and satisfying certain legal > requirements. > > > One > > > > > > requirement is the formal renunciation of all other > nationalities, > > > > > unless > > > > > > legally impossible under the laws of the applicant's home > country. > > > For > > > > > more > > > > > > information about German naturalization process, please > contact > > > your > > > > > local > > > > > > Staatsangehörigkeitsbehörde (or Standesamt in some parts of > > > Germany) > > > > > or the > > > > > > nearest Ausländerbeirat. > > > > > > 6. A child under age 18 adopted by a German citizen > automatically > > > > > becomes > > > > > > a German citizen as of the time of the adoption. > > > > > > 7. A German citizen has no right to renounce his/her German > > > > > citizenship > > > > > > but generally is allowed to do so, so long as he/she does not > > > become > > > > > > stateless as a result. While there are exceptions, as a > general > > > rule a > > > > > > German citizen may not give up citizenship to avoid an > obligation > > > of > > > > > that > > > > > > citizenship, e.g., military service. For more information > about > > > loss > > > > > of > > > > > > German citizenship, please contact your local > > > > > Staatsangehörigkeitsbehörde > > > > > > (or Standesamt). > > > > > > > > III. American-German Dual Nationality > > > > > > > > 1. Both the United States and Germany recognize the concept of > > > > > multiple > > > > > > nationality. > > > > > > 2. A child born to an American parent and a German parent > acquires > > > > > both > > > > > > American and German citizenship at birth, regardless of place > of > > > > > birth, if > > > > > > the parents satisfy the jus soli or jus sanguinis requirements > of > > > > > their > > > > > > respective countries. See the sections above entitled, "Basic > > > Primer > > > > > on > > > > > > American Citizenship Law," and "Basic Primer on German > Citizenship > > > > > Law." > > > > > > Neither country requires a person born under these > circumstances > > > to > > > > > choose > > > > > > between American and German citizenship, i.e., he/she may keep > > > both > > > > > > citizenships his/her entire life. > > > > > > 3. A child born in Germany to two American parents may also > become > > > a > > > > > dual > > > > > > national at birth under the circumstances described in > paragraph 4 > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > section above entitled, "Basic Primer on German Citizenship > Law." > > > > > Under > > > > > > German law, > > > > ... > > > > read more » > > > -- Mark M. Kahle, , www.filacoffee.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
