TITLE 8 >CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part I > § 1401 § 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth
The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth: (a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof; The above is not a source, Mark. It is US Law. I have identified it clearly enough that you can easily find it for yourself. The part where is says "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" is what excludes the children of diplomats from citizenship by birth on US soil. You said your father was the German Consul and that you were born in a consular office. Consuls have diplomatic immunity and are not subject to the US law, nor are their children. On Aug 4, 10:31 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > Like I said Zeb. You and your "sources" know best. I will indeed surrender > my US passport at once. > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Since you think Canadian lawyers are morons and don't know immigration > > law, try this: > > >http://immigration.findlaw.com/immigration/immigration-citizenship-na... > > > Birth in the United States > > > A child born on American soil automatically gets U.S. citizenship, > > unless the child is born to a foreign government official who is in > > the United States as a recognized diplomat. Children born in certain > > U.S. territories -- Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, and Guam -- may > > also acquire U.S. citizenship. For details, see Title 8 of the U.S. > > Code, available atwww.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08. > > > On Aug 3, 10:36 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Yes, laws do change, live with it, I do. The law in effect at the time of > > > birth is the law that decides your status as a citizen. You are correct > > in > > > one respect... I was born in the last century. Further, you are the one > > > saying I do not qualify.... the US government disagrees with you. I > > prefer > > > to believe my passport is genuine, mere possession of a US passport > > proves > > > you wrong. What you believe but can not prove is irrelevant. > > > Dual Nationality > > > > The concept of dual nationality means that a person is a citizen of two > > > countries at the same time. Each country has its own citizenship laws > > based > > > on its own policy.Persons may have dual nationality by automatic > > operation > > > of different laws rather than by choice. For example, a child born in a > > > foreign country to U.S. citizen parents may be both a U.S. citizen and a > > > citizen of the country of birth. > > > > A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a person > > > naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country > > of > > > birth.U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to > > > choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person who is automatically > > > granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship. > > However, > > > a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose > > U.S. > > > citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the > > > person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free > > choice, > > > and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship. > > > > Intent can be shown by the person's statements or conduct.The U.S. > > > Government recognizes that dual nationality exists but does not encourage > > it > > > as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause. Claims of > > other > > > countries on dual national U.S. citizens may conflict with U.S. law, and > > > dual nationality may limit U.S. Government efforts to assist citizens > > > abroad. The country where a dual national is located generally has a > > > stronger claim to that person's allegiance. > > > > However, dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the > > > foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries. > > > Either country has the right to enforce its laws, particularly if the > > person > > > later travels there.Most U.S. citizens, including dual nationals, must > > use a > > > U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States. Dual nationals may > > also > > > be required by the foreign country to use its passport to enter and leave > > > that country. Use of the foreign passport does not endanger U.S. > > > citizenship.Most countries permit a person to renounce or otherwise lose > > > citizenship. > > > Information on losing foreign citizenship can be obtained from the > > foreign > > > country's embassy and consulates in the United States. Americans can > > > renounce U.S. citizenship in the proper form at U.S. embassies and > > > consulates abroad. > > > > I keep quoting US sources and you throw a canadian/british law firms > > > interpretation at me. > > > >http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html > > > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Look pal, this is the law. And just coincidentally, IT MAKES SENSE. > > > > You wanna argue that it was different sometime in the last century? > > > > PROVE IT! Show me where the law used to be that the children of > > > > foreign diplomats (consuls) were automatically afforded US citizenship > > > > and then show me when it changed. Otherwise your house of cards is > > > > still on the ground. > > > > > On Aug 3, 9:34 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > and your "General Rule was adopted when ?? and it applies to my US > > > > > citizenship ?? then I guess the US passport I just renewed in the > > > > emabassy > > > > > in San Jose is no good.... > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > YOU SAID: > > > > > > > >"I was born in a german consulare office in trhe US of German > > parents > > > > (my > > > > > > father was the consul)" > > > > > > > Read it and weep: > > > > > > > Exceptions to the General Rule: > > > > > > Foreign Sovereigns, Foreign Diplomats and their Families > > > > > > The general rule does not apply to foreign sovereigns, accredited > > > > > > foreign diplomats or their families since under International law > > they > > > > > > are not subject to the law of the foreign country which has > > received > > > > > > them. Accordingly, children born in the United States to such > > > > > > individuals are not entitled to United States citizenship. > > > > > > > LOL! Its becoming apparent you're totally full of shit, ain't it? > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 8:39 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > You keep quoting exclusions that have been placed since the 80's. > > I > > > > was > > > > > > born > > > > > > > long before that. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Zebnick <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > 3. With very few exceptions, most of which have to do with > > > > children > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > to foreign government officials on assignment to the U.S > > > > > > > > > That would be YOU. Or were you born at the German Consulate > > because > > > > > > > > your mom was at a cocktail party there at the time? > > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 4:57 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I did not "acquire" either, both were inherent at birth. You > > are > > > > > > indeed > > > > > > > > > wrong. I did acquire CR citizenship but without taking an > > oath... > > > > it > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > effect my prior citizenships at all. Now as to your supposed > > > > > > links.... > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > is from the US Embassy in Frankfort., Section IV sums it up. > > > > > > > > > > U.S. Citizen Services in Germany Passports, Reports of Birth > > and > > > > > > > > > Renunciations U.S. and German Citizenship and Dual > > Nationality I. > > > > > > Basic > > > > > > > > > Primer on American Citizenship Law > > > > > > > > > > 1. A person can become an American citizen in one of two > > ways: > > > > by > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > or by naturalization. > > > > > > > > > 2. A person may be born a U.S. citizen by either jus soli, > > > > i.e., > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > place of birth, or jus sanguinis, i.e., through descent > > from > > > > > > his/her > > > > > > > > > parents. > > > > > > > > > 3. With very few exceptions, most of which have to do with > > > > > > children > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > to foreign government officials on assignment to the U.S., > > a > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > born in > > > > > > > > > any of the fifty states, Guam, Puerto Rico, and the U.S. > > > > Virgin > > > > > > > > Islands is > > > > > > > > > an American citizen at birth under the principle of jus > > soli, > > > > > > > > regardless of > > > > > > > > > the nationality of his/her parents. Please contact the > > Embassy > > > > or > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > nearest consulate for more information. > > > > > > > > > 4. A person born outside the U.S. or its possessions or > > > > > > territories to > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > American parent may acquire citizenship at birth through > > jus > > > > > > > > sanguinis. For > > > > > > > > > additional information about the complicated issue of > > > > transmission > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > U.S. > > > > > > > > > citizenship by jus sanguinis, please visit the USCIS > > website > > > > or > > > > > > > > contact the > > > > > > > > > Embassy or your nearest consulate. > > > > > > > > > 5. A non-American can become an American citizen at some > > time > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > his/her birth through the naturalization process, i.e., by > > > > > > applying > > > > > > > > for U.S. > > > > > > > > > citizenship and satisfying certain legal requirements. > > > > Normally, > > > > > > > > he/she must > > > > > > > > > have resided legally in the U.S. for a considerable period > > > > before > > > > > > > > becoming > > > > > > > > > eligible for naturalization. Before being admitted to > > > > citizenship, > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > applicant must give up any foreign allegiance and promise > > to > > > > obey > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Constitution and laws of the U.S. For more information > > about > > > > > > > > naturalization, > > > > > > > > > please contact the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration > > Services, > > > > > > > > Consulate > > > > > > > > > General Frankfurt, Gießener Str. 30, 60435 Frankfurt am > > Main, > > > > > > > > 069-7535-2233, > > > > > > > > > -2243, or -2298, or visit the USCIS web page on > > > > naturalization. > > > > > > > > > 6. A child adopted by an American does not automatically > > > > become an > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. 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