Like I said Zeb. You and your "sources" know best. I will indeed surrender my US passport at once.
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > Since you think Canadian lawyers are morons and don't know immigration > law, try this: > > > http://immigration.findlaw.com/immigration/immigration-citizenship-naturalization/immigration-citizenship-naturalization-did-you-know.html > > Birth in the United States > > A child born on American soil automatically gets U.S. citizenship, > unless the child is born to a foreign government official who is in > the United States as a recognized diplomat. Children born in certain > U.S. territories -- Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, and Guam -- may > also acquire U.S. citizenship. For details, see Title 8 of the U.S. > Code, available at www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08. > > On Aug 3, 10:36 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yes, laws do change, live with it, I do. The law in effect at the time of > > birth is the law that decides your status as a citizen. You are correct > in > > one respect... I was born in the last century. Further, you are the one > > saying I do not qualify.... the US government disagrees with you. I > prefer > > to believe my passport is genuine, mere possession of a US passport > proves > > you wrong. What you believe but can not prove is irrelevant. > > Dual Nationality > > > > The concept of dual nationality means that a person is a citizen of two > > countries at the same time. Each country has its own citizenship laws > based > > on its own policy.Persons may have dual nationality by automatic > operation > > of different laws rather than by choice. For example, a child born in a > > foreign country to U.S. citizen parents may be both a U.S. citizen and a > > citizen of the country of birth. > > > > A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a person > > naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country > of > > birth.U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to > > choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person who is automatically > > granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship. > However, > > a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose > U.S. > > citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the > > person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free > choice, > > and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship. > > > > Intent can be shown by the person's statements or conduct.The U.S. > > Government recognizes that dual nationality exists but does not encourage > it > > as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause. Claims of > other > > countries on dual national U.S. citizens may conflict with U.S. law, and > > dual nationality may limit U.S. Government efforts to assist citizens > > abroad. The country where a dual national is located generally has a > > stronger claim to that person's allegiance. > > > > However, dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the > > foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries. > > Either country has the right to enforce its laws, particularly if the > person > > later travels there.Most U.S. citizens, including dual nationals, must > use a > > U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States. Dual nationals may > also > > be required by the foreign country to use its passport to enter and leave > > that country. Use of the foreign passport does not endanger U.S. > > citizenship.Most countries permit a person to renounce or otherwise lose > > citizenship. > > Information on losing foreign citizenship can be obtained from the > foreign > > country's embassy and consulates in the United States. Americans can > > renounce U.S. citizenship in the proper form at U.S. embassies and > > consulates abroad. > > > > I keep quoting US sources and you throw a canadian/british law firms > > interpretation at me. > > > > http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html > > > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Look pal, this is the law. And just coincidentally, IT MAKES SENSE. > > > You wanna argue that it was different sometime in the last century? > > > PROVE IT! Show me where the law used to be that the children of > > > foreign diplomats (consuls) were automatically afforded US citizenship > > > and then show me when it changed. Otherwise your house of cards is > > > still on the ground. > > > > > On Aug 3, 9:34 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > and your "General Rule was adopted when ?? and it applies to my US > > > > citizenship ?? then I guess the US passport I just renewed in the > > > emabassy > > > > in San Jose is no good.... > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > YOU SAID: > > > > > > > >"I was born in a german consulare office in trhe US of German > parents > > > (my > > > > > father was the consul)" > > > > > > > Read it and weep: > > > > > > > Exceptions to the General Rule: > > > > > Foreign Sovereigns, Foreign Diplomats and their Families > > > > > The general rule does not apply to foreign sovereigns, accredited > > > > > foreign diplomats or their families since under International law > they > > > > > are not subject to the law of the foreign country which has > received > > > > > them. Accordingly, children born in the United States to such > > > > > individuals are not entitled to United States citizenship. > > > > > > > LOL! Its becoming apparent you're totally full of shit, ain't it? > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 8:39 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > You keep quoting exclusions that have been placed since the 80's. > I > > > was > > > > > born > > > > > > long before that. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Zebnick <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > 3. With very few exceptions, most of which have to do with > > > children > > > > > born > > > > > > > to foreign government officials on assignment to the U.S > > > > > > > > > That would be YOU. Or were you born at the German Consulate > because > > > > > > > your mom was at a cocktail party there at the time? > > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 4:57 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I did not "acquire" either, both were inherent at birth. You > are > > > > > indeed > > > > > > > > wrong. I did acquire CR citizenship but without taking an > oath... > > > it > > > > > did > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > effect my prior citizenships at all. Now as to your supposed > > > > > links.... > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > is from the US Embassy in Frankfort., Section IV sums it up. > > > > > > > > > > U.S. Citizen Services in Germany Passports, Reports of Birth > and > > > > > > > > Renunciations U.S. and German Citizenship and Dual > Nationality I. > > > > > Basic > > > > > > > > Primer on American Citizenship Law > > > > > > > > > > 1. A person can become an American citizen in one of two > ways: > > > by > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > or by naturalization. > > > > > > > > 2. A person may be born a U.S. citizen by either jus soli, > > > i.e., > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > place of birth, or jus sanguinis, i.e., through descent > from > > > > > his/her > > > > > > > > parents. > > > > > > > > 3. With very few exceptions, most of which have to do with > > > > > children > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > to foreign government officials on assignment to the U.S., > a > > > > > person > > > > > > > born in > > > > > > > > any of the fifty states, Guam, Puerto Rico, and the U.S. > > > Virgin > > > > > > > Islands is > > > > > > > > an American citizen at birth under the principle of jus > soli, > > > > > > > regardless of > > > > > > > > the nationality of his/her parents. Please contact the > Embassy > > > or > > > > > your > > > > > > > > nearest consulate for more information. > > > > > > > > 4. A person born outside the U.S. or its possessions or > > > > > territories to > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > American parent may acquire citizenship at birth through > jus > > > > > > > sanguinis. For > > > > > > > > additional information about the complicated issue of > > > transmission > > > > > of > > > > > > > U.S. > > > > > > > > citizenship by jus sanguinis, please visit the USCIS > website > > > or > > > > > > > contact the > > > > > > > > Embassy or your nearest consulate. > > > > > > > > 5. A non-American can become an American citizen at some > time > > > > > after > > > > > > > > his/her birth through the naturalization process, i.e., by > > > > > applying > > > > > > > for U.S. > > > > > > > > citizenship and satisfying certain legal requirements. > > > Normally, > > > > > > > he/she must > > > > > > > > have resided legally in the U.S. for a considerable period > > > before > > > > > > > becoming > > > > > > > > eligible for naturalization. Before being admitted to > > > citizenship, > > > > > the > > > > > > > > applicant must give up any foreign allegiance and promise > to > > > obey > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Constitution and laws of the U.S. For more information > about > > > > > > > naturalization, > > > > > > > > please contact the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration > Services, > > > > > > > Consulate > > > > > > > > General Frankfurt, Gießener Str. 30, 60435 Frankfurt am > Main, > > > > > > > 069-7535-2233, > > > > > > > > -2243, or -2298, or visit the USCIS web page on > > > naturalization. > > > > > > > > 6. A child adopted by an American does not automatically > > > become an > > > > > > > > American citizen. For more information about the > > > naturalization of > > > > > > > adopted > > > > > > > > children, please contact the Immigration and > Naturalization > > > > > Service at > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > address, telephone numbers, and/or web site in paragraph 5 > > > above. > > > > > > > > 7. Americans have a right under U.S. law to renounce their > > > U.S. > > > > > > > > citizenship in a consulate abroad. For more information on > > > loss of > > > > > > > U.S. > > > > > > > > citizenship, please contact the Embassy or your nearest > > > consulate. > > > > > > > > > > II. Basic Primer on German Citizenship Law > > > > > > > > > > 1. A person can become a German citizen in one of three > ways: > > > by > > > > > > > birth, > > > > > > > > by adoption as a minor, or by naturalization. > > > > > > > > 2. A person may be born a German citizen by either jus > > > sanguinis, > > > > > > > i.e., > > > > > > > > through descent from his/her parents, or jus soli, i.e., > > > through > > > > > place > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > birth. > > > > > > > > 3. As a general rule, a child born to a German citizen > parent > > > > > > > > automatically acquires German citizenship at birth through > jus > > > > > > > sanguinis, > > > > > > > > regardless of the place of birth. There are exceptions > under > > > > > present > > > > > > > law, > > > > > > > > however, and have been many in the past. For more > information > > > > > about > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > German citizenship may be transmitted by a German parent, > > > please > > > > > > > contact > > > > > > > > your local Staatsangehörigkeitsbehörde (or Standesamt, in > some > > > > > parts > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Germany). > > > > > > > > 4. As of January 1, 2000, a child > > > > ... > > > > read more » > > > -- Mark M. Kahle, , www.filacoffee.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
