Look pal, this is the law. And just coincidentally, IT MAKES SENSE. You wanna argue that it was different sometime in the last century? PROVE IT! Show me where the law used to be that the children of foreign diplomats (consuls) were automatically afforded US citizenship and then show me when it changed. Otherwise your house of cards is still on the ground.
On Aug 3, 9:34 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > and your "General Rule was adopted when ?? and it applies to my US > citizenship ?? then I guess the US passport I just renewed in the emabassy > in San Jose is no good.... > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > YOU SAID: > > > >"I was born in a german consulare office in trhe US of German parents (my > > father was the consul)" > > > Read it and weep: > > > Exceptions to the General Rule: > > Foreign Sovereigns, Foreign Diplomats and their Families > > The general rule does not apply to foreign sovereigns, accredited > > foreign diplomats or their families since under International law they > > are not subject to the law of the foreign country which has received > > them. Accordingly, children born in the United States to such > > individuals are not entitled to United States citizenship. > > > LOL! Its becoming apparent you're totally full of shit, ain't it? > > > On Aug 3, 8:39 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > You keep quoting exclusions that have been placed since the 80's. I was > > born > > > long before that. > > > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > 3. With very few exceptions, most of which have to do with children > > born > > > > to foreign government officials on assignment to the U.S > > > > > That would be YOU. Or were you born at the German Consulate because > > > > your mom was at a cocktail party there at the time? > > > > > On Aug 3, 4:57 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I did not "acquire" either, both were inherent at birth. You are > > indeed > > > > > wrong. I did acquire CR citizenship but without taking an oath... it > > did > > > > not > > > > > effect my prior citizenships at all. Now as to your supposed > > links.... > > > > this > > > > > is from the US Embassy in Frankfort., Section IV sums it up. > > > > > > U.S. Citizen Services in Germany Passports, Reports of Birth and > > > > > Renunciations U.S. and German Citizenship and Dual Nationality I. > > Basic > > > > > Primer on American Citizenship Law > > > > > > 1. A person can become an American citizen in one of two ways: by > > > > birth > > > > > or by naturalization. > > > > > 2. A person may be born a U.S. citizen by either jus soli, i.e., > > > > through > > > > > place of birth, or jus sanguinis, i.e., through descent from > > his/her > > > > > parents. > > > > > 3. With very few exceptions, most of which have to do with > > children > > > > born > > > > > to foreign government officials on assignment to the U.S., a > > person > > > > born in > > > > > any of the fifty states, Guam, Puerto Rico, and the U.S. Virgin > > > > Islands is > > > > > an American citizen at birth under the principle of jus soli, > > > > regardless of > > > > > the nationality of his/her parents. Please contact the Embassy or > > your > > > > > nearest consulate for more information. > > > > > 4. A person born outside the U.S. or its possessions or > > territories to > > > > an > > > > > American parent may acquire citizenship at birth through jus > > > > sanguinis. For > > > > > additional information about the complicated issue of transmission > > of > > > > U.S. > > > > > citizenship by jus sanguinis, please visit the USCIS website or > > > > contact the > > > > > Embassy or your nearest consulate. > > > > > 5. A non-American can become an American citizen at some time > > after > > > > > his/her birth through the naturalization process, i.e., by > > applying > > > > for U.S. > > > > > citizenship and satisfying certain legal requirements. Normally, > > > > he/she must > > > > > have resided legally in the U.S. for a considerable period before > > > > becoming > > > > > eligible for naturalization. Before being admitted to citizenship, > > the > > > > > applicant must give up any foreign allegiance and promise to obey > > the > > > > > Constitution and laws of the U.S. For more information about > > > > naturalization, > > > > > please contact the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, > > > > Consulate > > > > > General Frankfurt, Gießener Str. 30, 60435 Frankfurt am Main, > > > > 069-7535-2233, > > > > > -2243, or -2298, or visit the USCIS web page on naturalization. > > > > > 6. A child adopted by an American does not automatically become an > > > > > American citizen. For more information about the naturalization of > > > > adopted > > > > > children, please contact the Immigration and Naturalization > > Service at > > > > the > > > > > address, telephone numbers, and/or web site in paragraph 5 above. > > > > > 7. Americans have a right under U.S. law to renounce their U.S. > > > > > citizenship in a consulate abroad. For more information on loss of > > > > U.S. > > > > > citizenship, please contact the Embassy or your nearest consulate. > > > > > > II. Basic Primer on German Citizenship Law > > > > > > 1. A person can become a German citizen in one of three ways: by > > > > birth, > > > > > by adoption as a minor, or by naturalization. > > > > > 2. A person may be born a German citizen by either jus sanguinis, > > > > i.e., > > > > > through descent from his/her parents, or jus soli, i.e., through > > place > > > > of > > > > > birth. > > > > > 3. As a general rule, a child born to a German citizen parent > > > > > automatically acquires German citizenship at birth through jus > > > > sanguinis, > > > > > regardless of the place of birth. There are exceptions under > > present > > > > law, > > > > > however, and have been many in the past. For more information > > about > > > > how > > > > > German citizenship may be transmitted by a German parent, please > > > > contact > > > > > your local Staatsangehörigkeitsbehörde (or Standesamt, in some > > parts > > > > of > > > > > Germany). > > > > > 4. As of January 1, 2000, a child born in Germany to non-German > > > > parents > > > > > automatically acquires German citizenship at birth by jus soli if: > > (1) > > > > at > > > > > least one parent had lived legally in Germany for at least eight > > years > > > > prior > > > > > to the birth; (2) at the time of the birth, that parent had a > > > > permanent > > > > > residence permit (either an Aufenthaltsberichtigung or, for the > > three > > > > years > > > > > prior to the birth, an unbefristete Aufenhaltserlaubnis). *Note > > that: > > > > * > > > > > - The child must choose between German nationality and the > > > > nationality > > > > > of his/her parents before he/she turns 23 years of age, unless > > > > > it is legally > > > > > impossible for him/her to give up his/her parents' nationality, > > in > > > > which > > > > > case he/she must apply to the German authorities for dual > > > > > nationality before > > > > > turning 21. > > > > > - Special rules apply to children born between February 2, > > 1990, > > > > and > > > > > December 31, 1999, who have until December 31, 2000, to apply > > for > > > > German > > > > > citizenship. > > > > > - Those born in Germany to non-German parents before February > > 2, > > > > 1990, > > > > > have no claim to German citizenship under this law. > > > > > - For more information, please contact your local > > > > > Staatsangehörigkeitsbehörde or the nearest office of the > > > > Ausländerbeirat > > > > > (Foreigners Advisory Council). > > > > > 5. A person can become a German citizen at some time after his/her > > > > birth > > > > > through the Einbürgerung (German naturalization) process, i.e., by > > > > applying > > > > > for German citizenship and satisfying certain legal requirements. > > One > > > > > requirement is the formal renunciation of all other nationalities, > > > > unless > > > > > legally impossible under the laws of the applicant's home country. > > For > > > > more > > > > > information about German naturalization process, please contact > > your > > > > local > > > > > Staatsangehörigkeitsbehörde (or Standesamt in some parts of > > Germany) > > > > or the > > > > > nearest Ausländerbeirat. > > > > > 6. A child under age 18 adopted by a German citizen automatically > > > > becomes > > > > > a German citizen as of the time of the adoption. > > > > > 7. A German citizen has no right to renounce his/her German > > > > citizenship > > > > > but generally is allowed to do so, so long as he/she does not > > become > > > > > stateless as a result. While there are exceptions, as a general > > rule a > > > > > German citizen may not give up citizenship to avoid an obligation > > of > > > > that > > > > > citizenship, e.g., military service. For more information about > > loss > > > > of > > > > > German citizenship, please contact your local > > > > Staatsangehörigkeitsbehörde > > > > > (or Standesamt). > > > > > > III. American-German Dual Nationality > > > > > > 1. Both the United States and Germany recognize the concept of > > > > multiple > > > > > nationality. > > > > > 2. A child born to an American parent and a German parent acquires > > > > both > > > > > American and German citizenship at birth, regardless of place of > > > > birth, if > > > > > the parents satisfy the jus soli or jus sanguinis requirements of > > > > their > > > > > respective countries. See the sections above entitled, "Basic > > Primer > > > > on > > > > > American Citizenship Law," and "Basic Primer on German Citizenship > > > > Law." > > > > > Neither country requires a person born under these circumstances > > to > > > > choose > > > > > between American and German citizenship, i.e., he/she may keep > > both > > > > > citizenships his/her entire life. > > > > > 3. A child born in Germany to two American parents may also become > > a > > > > dual > > > > > national at birth under the circumstances described in paragraph 4 > > in > > > > the > > > > > section above entitled, "Basic Primer on German Citizenship Law." > > > > Under > > > > > German law, > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
