If we can get everyone Health Care without more taxes, without healthcare quality going down and without healthcare costs going up, what is the problem? --- when has the government ever been more efficient than private industry?
it's not the effort produced but the results that matters On Sep 30, 9:32 pm, LimboIndo <[email protected]> wrote: > Ok we have a couple things to address here. > > You have again stated that "we have the best health care." Based on > what, your opinion? You are having trouble seeing the forest due to > all the trees beinging in the way. The problem is that our health cost > more, and yet it isn't better. There are numerous stories of one > person coming from Canada to the U.S. for a procedure, but count up > all these stories and they represent maybe a couple thousand people > out of millions of Canadians. You can't make the exception the rule, > and yes, thousands out of millions are exceptions. Now if millions of > Canadians did this, the argument would be valid. How many people from > the U.S. go abroad for experimental procedures not available in the > U.S.? Does this mean Mexico has better health care than us? > > And yes some people grumbled when Bush and Co. got the bailout pushed > through, but to say that Fox News and the Right urged Americans to put > as much pressure on the government as over this Health Care is an > outright lie. So it's ok to line fat cat corporate CEOs' pockets but > not to take care of average Americans? > > And in regards to your (slippery slope) fallacious argument about > Government telling you what to wear and what to eat....Really? The > truth of the matter is we are not self sufficient and we will never be > again. Someone coughs in China and the stock market drops 2000 points. > A hurricane on the Gulf Coast drives the price of oil up world wide. > > And what exactly is so wrong with this in your opinion? If we can get > everyone Health Care without more taxes, without healthcare quality > going down and without healthcare costs going up, what is the problem? > I'm guessing you are going to say something along the lines of > "government does not belong in health care." But yet, the Right feels > comfortable with Government dictating what people can or can't with > their own bodies (i.e. Abortion)? How do you explain this > inconsistency? > > On Sep 30, 8:17 pm, LadybugsTX <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > PS. Why does the left never ask why we funneled trillions into banks > > and lenders? Why do they just blame "capitalism" and never ask why? > > > On Sep 30, 4:06 pm, LimboIndo <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Healthcare is absolutely not a right... > > > > The same as public education and Social Security. But is healthcare > > > reform the right thing to do for our country? > > > > People argue against it with various lame ducks arguments e.g. > > > > "We have the best health care in the world, don't mess it > > > up"http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html > > > The WHO ranks us 37th between Costa Rica and Slovenia. > > > > "It will ruin our economy"http://www.x-rates.com/ > > > Canada, Great Britian, and the EU all have free health care. Our > > > currency is worth 70% of the Pound and Euro. > > > > How could a healthier work force harm America? How could a security > > > blanket from a global pandemic hurt America? Americans did not make > > > such a fuss when Bush funneled more than a trillion (that's > > > 1,000,000,000,000) dollars of our money into corporate bank accounts. > > > Is this the capitalist system at its finest? I didn't see people > > > holding signs of Bush with a Hitler moustache, screaming "socialism". > > > > The classical ideal of how much government we should have dates back > > > thousands of years. It's simply "We should rely on the Government for > > > things we cannot rely on ourselves" i.e. When the Constitution was > > > written I would wager at least 90% of all Americans were almost or > > > entirely self sufficient. They grew their own food, made their own > > > clothes, taught their own children etc.. That is not the case today. > > > We live in a different world than our founding fathers. > > > > On Sep 30, 5:05 pm, LadybugsTX <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > "A right is something that does not impose an obligation on anybody > > > > else. A right is given to you by God and nature and no one can take > > > > it from you. Healthcare is a commodity that enslaves people to the > > > > producers of that commodity". > > > > Bill Whittle - PJTV.com > > > > >http://www.pjtv.com/v/2457 > > > > > "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong > > > > enought to take everything you have" > > > > Thomas Jefferson- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
