*Just exactly what was he ashamed of ??? Being gay ?? How do you know ?? He's certainly not talking.* * * *Further, if one is going to do or be involved in something that they find THAT shameful maybe they should rethink their own position first rather than legislate an entire populace for a personal error.*
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > *Your twisted pretzel logic is, as usual, illogical.* > ** > *This talented young man would still be alive if it were not for the > horrible shame he felt after this secret video was posted on the internet by > his straight roomate.* > > > On 10/1/10, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I guess every time a gay guy comits suicide it is always a societal >> homophobia, never anything else. And every time anyone kids a gay guy then >> it is homophobia, never anything else. The people who filmed him should >> pay for this big time but your thoughts on exactly why he took his own life >> are open to question. People do things for reasons other than homophobia, >> you know. The world does not revolve for the reasons you think it does and >> the world does not sit there waiting for Tommy News do determine if it was >> homophobia or not. You seem to think that if a gay guy does not get a job >> he applied for it has to be because of homophobia, not that someone better >> applied also. >> >> On 10/01/2010 11:19 AM, Tommy News wrote: >> >> *Do you think Tyler Clementi would have taken his own life if he had >> been filmed in a private romantic encounter with a girl?* >> *Think about why he took his life, why he did it. * >> * In addition, Think about why his straight roommate secretly filmed the >> encounter and broadcast it on the Internet. >> * >> *The problem is societal homophobia, which causes deep shame, ridicule, >> harm, and persecution of gays.* >> >> *Think, I know you can!* >> >> On 10/1/10, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Tommy, >>> >>> One may first want to ask exactly what was so embarrassing and >>> repugnant on the tape that the young man was willing to take his own >>> life and why it was so to him. >>> >>> That which made him jump came from within his own mind. >>> >>> Since when is it governments job to legislate fortitude and love of >>> ones self ??? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sep 30, 6:23 pm, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > *Take Action: Send A No More Suicides Letter to President Obama and >>> Congress >>> > * >>> > *Tell them to introduce and pass The American Equality Bill, to amend >>> the >>> > Civil Rights Act of 1964 to include sexual orientation and gender >>> identity.* >>> > ** >>> > < >>> http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/30/suicide-and-the-internet/> >>> > Tyler Clementi Jumped off the George Washington Bridge in New York >>> after his >>> > same-sex romantic encounter was secretly filmed and posted on the >>> internet >>> > by his college roomate. At least three other youths have killed >>> themselves >>> > due to homophobic bullying. Stop The Hate! >>> > >>> > From our friend Tif: >>> > >>> > -- THE LETTER BELOW WAS WRITTEN by Jonathan W, of Brooklyn, NY and >>> really >>> > captures the heart of the matter it seems. >>> > >>> > Please SEND IT as a comment to the White House at: >>> > >>> > http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact >>> > ... >>> > And LET THEM HEAR US SAY: >>> > >>> > *** Mr. President PLEASE SPEAK OUT LOUDLY about homophobia, school >>> bullying >>> > and equal civil rights for LGBTQ people -- no more suicide letters. *** >>> > >>> > To President Obama, >>> > All of us are horrified by the tragedy of Tyler Clementi, the young man >>> who >>> > committed suicide after his sexual encounter with another man was >>> posted on >>> > the internet. We share anger and disgust at the 2 students accused of >>> this >>> > despicable act. But if our outrage stops there, we will be doing a >>> grave >>> > disservice to the millions of young gay men and women in this country >>> who >>> > live with shame and fear everyday and who have a 4 times greater risk >>> of >>> > suicide than their straight counterparts. >>> > Most people would be embarrassed and angered at having their private >>> sexual >>> > acts secretly recorded and posted on the internet, but it seems >>> unlikely >>> > that Mr. Clementi would have been driven to suicide if this had been a >>> > heterosexual encounter. A young heterosexual man would not likely >>> experience >>> > the shame and fear that Mr. Clementi must have felt. >>> > Yes, the 2 students accused of this crime must be held accountable for >>> their >>> > actions, but as a society we must all share responsibility for creating >>> an >>> > environment that drives young gay people to suicide. This country has >>> come a >>> > long way toward acceptance of gay people in the last few decades, but >>> we >>> > still have a long way to go. Young gay people still face bullying and >>> abuse >>> > at home and at school; many experience ostracism by family and friends; >>> > discrimination in school, work, housing and social services; and >>> isolation >>> > from supportive communities of peers, as well as anti-gay violence in >>> public >>> > and private. It's no wonder that the shame and fear of 'coming out' can >>> be >>> > fatal. >>> > In the cyber world we now live in, there will undoubtedly be more cases >>> of >>> > invasions of privacy on the internet. They can be punished, but not >>> > prevented. It is up to all of us in this society to make sure that >>> young gay >>> > people feel safe, secure and accepted, so that shame and fear never >>> again >>> > result in death. >>> > >>> > Sincerely, >>> >>> -- >>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>> >>> * Visit our other community at >>> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >> Have a great day, >> Tommy -- >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> * Visit our other community at >> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >> * It's active and moderated. 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