*Markie, Markie, Markie.*
**
*Your ugly negativity and snarky spin is most perverse.*
*One suicide is one too many.*
*No man is an island*
No man is an island entire of itself; every man
is a piece of the continent, a part of the main;
if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe
is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as
well as any manner of thy friends or of thine
own were; any man's death diminishes me,
because I am involved in mankind.
And therefore never send to know for whom
the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
-John Donne
On 10/1/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Tommy, Tommy, Tommy,
>
>
> He must have had a really poor self image... short of that nothing could
> "Make" him commit suicide. Suicide IS against the law, isn't it ??
>
>
> So you are basically saying "Mommy, Mommy, he made me do it !!"
>
>
> Not much of a defense when prejudice of one kind or another exists in EVERY
> walk of life.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> *This is not one isolated incident. The problem of homophobia is
>> societal and must be eradicated. *
>>
>> *This week , I heard about 3 – THREE – other young gay men murdered by
>> homophobia in America.*
>>
>>
>> http://www.queerty.com/shock-gay-texas-13-year-old-asher-brown-shoots-himself-in-the-head-after-horrific-school-torment-20100928/
>>
>>
>> http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2010/09/gay-teen-dies-after-10-days-on-life-support-following-suicide-attempt-over-anti-gay-bullying/
>>
>>
>> http://abcnews.go.com/US/victim-secret-dorm-sex-tape-commits-suicide/story?id=11758716
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/1/10, nominal9 <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think the issue here is that someone shot and distributed the images
>>> against the suicide victim's will....
>>> Plus, the victim was relatively young... eighteen....Gay or not....
>>> that's a lot for a young person to handle.....
>>> nominal9
>>>
>>> On Oct 1, 12:09 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> > *Just exactly what was he ashamed of ??? Being gay ?? How do you know
>>> ??
>>> > He's certainly not talking.*
>>> > *
>>> > *
>>> > *Further, if one is going to do or be involved in something that they
>>> find
>>> > THAT shameful maybe they should rethink their own position first rather
>>> than
>>> > legislate an entire populace for a personal error.*
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>> > > *Your twisted pretzel logic is, as usual, illogical.*
>>> > > **
>>> > > *This talented young man would still be alive if it were not for the
>>> > > horrible shame he felt after this secret video was posted on the
>>> internet by
>>> > > his straight roomate.*
>>> >
>>> > > On 10/1/10, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >> I guess every time a gay guy comits suicide it is always a societal
>>> > >> homophobia, never anything else. And every time anyone kids a gay
>>> guy then
>>> > >> it is homophobia, never anything else. The people who filmed him
>>> should
>>> > >> pay for this big time but your thoughts on exactly why he took his
>>> own life
>>> > >> are open to question. People do things for reasons other than
>>> homophobia,
>>> > >> you know. The world does not revolve for the reasons you think it
>>> does and
>>> > >> the world does not sit there waiting for Tommy News do determine if
>>> it was
>>> > >> homophobia or not. You seem to think that if a gay guy does not
>>> get a job
>>> > >> he applied for it has to be because of homophobia, not that someone
>>> better
>>> > >> applied also.
>>> >
>>> > >> On 10/01/2010 11:19 AM, Tommy News wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >> *Do you think Tyler Clementi would have taken his own life if he
>>> had
>>> > >> been filmed in a private romantic encounter with a girl?*
>>> > >> *Think about why he took his life, why he did it. *
>>> > >> * In addition, Think about why his straight roommate secretly filmed
>>> the
>>> > >> encounter and broadcast it on the Internet.
>>> > >> *
>>> > >> *The problem is societal homophobia, which causes deep shame,
>>> ridicule,
>>> > >> harm, and persecution of gays.*
>>> >
>>> > >> *Think, I know you can!*
>>> >
>>> > >> On 10/1/10, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >>> Tommy,
>>> >
>>> > >>> One may first want to ask exactly what was so embarrassing and
>>> > >>> repugnant on the tape that the young man was willing to take his
>>> own
>>> > >>> life and why it was so to him.
>>> >
>>> > >>> That which made him jump came from within his own mind.
>>> >
>>> > >>> Since when is it governments job to legislate fortitude and love of
>>> > >>> ones self ???
>>> >
>>> > >>> On Sep 30, 6:23 pm, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> > >>> > *Take Action: Send A No More Suicides Letter to President Obama
>>> and
>>> > >>> Congress
>>> > >>> > *
>>> > >>> > *Tell them to introduce and pass The American Equality Bill, to
>>> amend
>>> > >>> the
>>> > >>> > Civil Rights Act of 1964 to include sexual orientation and gender
>>> > >>> identity.*
>>> > >>> > **
>>> > >>> > <
>>> > >>>
>>> http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/30/suicide-and-the-internet/>
>>> > >>> > Tyler Clementi Jumped off the George Washington Bridge in New
>>> York
>>> > >>> after his
>>> > >>> > same-sex romantic encounter was secretly filmed and posted on the
>>> > >>> internet
>>> > >>> > by his college roomate. At least three other youths have killed
>>> > >>> themselves
>>> > >>> > due to homophobic bullying. Stop The Hate!
>>> >
>>> > >>> > From our friend Tif:
>>> >
>>> > >>> > -- THE LETTER BELOW WAS WRITTEN by Jonathan W, of Brooklyn, NY
>>> and
>>> > >>> really
>>> > >>> > captures the heart of the matter it seems.
>>> >
>>> > >>> > Please SEND IT as a comment to the White House at:
>>> >
>>> > >>> >http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact
>>> > >>> > ...
>>> > >>> > And LET THEM HEAR US SAY:
>>> >
>>> > >>> > *** Mr. President PLEASE SPEAK OUT LOUDLY about homophobia,
>>> school
>>> > >>> bullying
>>> > >>> > and equal civil rights for LGBTQ people -- no more suicide
>>> letters. ***
>>> >
>>> > >>> > To President Obama,
>>> > >>> > All of us are horrified by the tragedy of Tyler Clementi, the
>>> young man
>>> > >>> who
>>> > >>> > committed suicide after his sexual encounter with another man was
>>> > >>> posted on
>>> > >>> > the internet. We share anger and disgust at the 2 students
>>> accused of
>>> > >>> this
>>> > >>> > despicable act. But if our outrage stops there, we will be doing
>>> a
>>> > >>> grave
>>> > >>> > disservice to the millions of young gay men and women in this
>>> country
>>> > >>> who
>>> > >>> > live with shame and fear everyday and who have a 4 times greater
>>> risk
>>> > >>> of
>>> > >>> > suicide than their straight counterparts.
>>> > >>> > Most people would be embarrassed and angered at having their
>>> private
>>> > >>> sexual
>>> > >>> > acts secretly recorded and posted on the internet, but it seems
>>> > >>> unlikely
>>> > >>> > that Mr. Clementi would have been driven to suicide if this had
>>> been a
>>> > >>> > heterosexual encounter. A young heterosexual man would not likely
>>> > >>> experience
>>> > >>> > the shame and fear that Mr. Clementi must have felt.
>>> > >>> > Yes, the 2 students accused of this crime must be held
>>> accountable for
>>> > >>> their
>>> > >>> > actions, but as a society we must all share responsibility for
>>> creating
>>> > >>> an
>>> > >>> > environment that drives young gay people to suicide. This country
>>> has
>>> > >>> come a
>>> > >>> > long way toward acceptance of gay people in the last few decades,
>>> but
>>> > >>> we
>>> > >>> > still have a long way to go. Young gay people still face bullying
>>> and
>>> > >>> abuse
>>> > >>> > at home and at school; many experience ostracism by family and
>>> friends;
>>> > >>> > discrimination in school, work, housing and social services; and
>>> > >>> isolation
>>> > >>> > from supportive communities of peers, as well as anti-gay
>>> violence in
>>> > >>> public
>>> > >>> > and private. It's no wonder that the shame and fear of 'coming
>>> out' can
>>> > >>> be
>>> > >>> > fatal.
>>> > >>> > In the cyber world we now live in, there will undoubtedly be more
>>> cases
>>> > >>> of
>>> > >>> > invasions of privacy on the internet. They can be punished, but
>>> not
>>> > >>> > prevented. It is up to all of us in this society to make sure
>>> that
>>> > >>> young gay
>>> > >>> > people feel safe, secure and accepted, so that shame and fear
>>> never
>>> > >>> again
>>> > >>> > result in death.
>>> >
>>> > >>> > Sincerely,
>>> >
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