*Ignorant homophobes like you cause these suicides.* On 10/1/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > No Tommy, it is not. The urge to destroy oneself is as ancient as life > itself. There are so very many reasons people do this to themselves, both > real and unreal reasons. There is however ONE reason ALL suicides do > this.... they are too weak to cope and that, Sir, is a personal problem. It > is NOT societal, and NOT something that can be legislated that causes me to > lose the freedom to ask if someone is Gay or Lesbian (for whatever reason) > or to call someone a flaming Queen if they are acting like one. > > > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > >> *Markie, Markie, Markie.* >> ** >> *Your ugly negativity and snarky spin is most perverse.* >> *One suicide is one too many.* >> >> *No man is an island* >> >> No man is an island entire of itself; every man >> is a piece of the continent, a part of the main; >> if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe >> is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as >> well as any manner of thy friends or of thine >> own were; any man's death diminishes me, >> because I am involved in mankind. >> And therefore never send to know for whom >> the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. >> >> -John Donne >> >> >> >> On 10/1/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Tommy, Tommy, Tommy, >>> >>> >>> He must have had a really poor self image... short of that nothing could >>> "Make" him commit suicide. Suicide IS against the law, isn't it ?? >>> >>> >>> So you are basically saying "Mommy, Mommy, he made me do it !!" >>> >>> >>> Not much of a defense when prejudice of one kind or another exists in >>> EVERY walk of life. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> *This is not one isolated incident. The problem of homophobia is >>>> societal and must be eradicated. * >>>> >>>> *This week , I heard about 3 – THREE – other young gay men murdered by >>>> homophobia in America.* >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.queerty.com/shock-gay-texas-13-year-old-asher-brown-shoots-himself-in-the-head-after-horrific-school-torment-20100928/ >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2010/09/gay-teen-dies-after-10-days-on-life-support-following-suicide-attempt-over-anti-gay-bullying/ >>>> >>>> >>>> http://abcnews.go.com/US/victim-secret-dorm-sex-tape-commits-suicide/story?id=11758716 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 10/1/10, nominal9 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I think the issue here is that someone shot and distributed the images >>>>> against the suicide victim's will.... >>>>> Plus, the victim was relatively young... eighteen....Gay or not.... >>>>> that's a lot for a young person to handle..... >>>>> nominal9 >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 1, 12:09 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > *Just exactly what was he ashamed of ??? Being gay ?? How do you know >>>>> ?? >>>>> > He's certainly not talking.* >>>>> > * >>>>> > * >>>>> > *Further, if one is going to do or be involved in something that they >>>>> find >>>>> > THAT shameful maybe they should rethink their own position first >>>>> rather than >>>>> > legislate an entire populace for a personal error.* >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > > *Your twisted pretzel logic is, as usual, illogical.* >>>>> > > ** >>>>> > > *This talented young man would still be alive if it were not for >>>>> the >>>>> > > horrible shame he felt after this secret video was posted on the >>>>> internet by >>>>> > > his straight roomate.* >>>>> > >>>>> > > On 10/1/10, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > >> I guess every time a gay guy comits suicide it is always a >>>>> societal >>>>> > >> homophobia, never anything else. And every time anyone kids a gay >>>>> guy then >>>>> > >> it is homophobia, never anything else. The people who filmed him >>>>> should >>>>> > >> pay for this big time but your thoughts on exactly why he took his >>>>> own life >>>>> > >> are open to question. People do things for reasons other than >>>>> homophobia, >>>>> > >> you know. The world does not revolve for the reasons you think >>>>> it does and >>>>> > >> the world does not sit there waiting for Tommy News do determine >>>>> if it was >>>>> > >> homophobia or not. You seem to think that if a gay guy does not >>>>> get a job >>>>> > >> he applied for it has to be because of homophobia, not that >>>>> someone better >>>>> > >> applied also. >>>>> > >>>>> > >> On 10/01/2010 11:19 AM, Tommy News wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > >> *Do you think Tyler Clementi would have taken his own life if he >>>>> had >>>>> > >> been filmed in a private romantic encounter with a girl?* >>>>> > >> *Think about why he took his life, why he did it. * >>>>> > >> * In addition, Think about why his straight roommate secretly >>>>> filmed the >>>>> > >> encounter and broadcast it on the Internet. >>>>> > >> * >>>>> > >> *The problem is societal homophobia, which causes deep shame, >>>>> ridicule, >>>>> > >> harm, and persecution of gays.* >>>>> > >>>>> > >> *Think, I know you can!* >>>>> > >>>>> > >> On 10/1/10, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> Tommy, >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> One may first want to ask exactly what was so embarrassing and >>>>> > >>> repugnant on the tape that the young man was willing to take his >>>>> own >>>>> > >>> life and why it was so to him. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> That which made him jump came from within his own mind. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> Since when is it governments job to legislate fortitude and love >>>>> of >>>>> > >>> ones self ??? >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> On Sep 30, 6:23 pm, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > >>> > *Take Action: Send A No More Suicides Letter to President Obama >>>>> and >>>>> > >>> Congress >>>>> > >>> > * >>>>> > >>> > *Tell them to introduce and pass The American Equality Bill, to >>>>> amend >>>>> > >>> the >>>>> > >>> > Civil Rights Act of 1964 to include sexual orientation and >>>>> gender >>>>> > >>> identity.* >>>>> > >>> > ** >>>>> > >>> > < >>>>> > >>> >>>>> http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/30/suicide-and-the-internet/ >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > Tyler Clementi Jumped off the George Washington Bridge in New >>>>> York >>>>> > >>> after his >>>>> > >>> > same-sex romantic encounter was secretly filmed and posted on >>>>> the >>>>> > >>> internet >>>>> > >>> > by his college roomate. At least three other youths have killed >>>>> > >>> themselves >>>>> > >>> > due to homophobic bullying. Stop The Hate! >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > From our friend Tif: >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > -- THE LETTER BELOW WAS WRITTEN by Jonathan W, of Brooklyn, NY >>>>> and >>>>> > >>> really >>>>> > >>> > captures the heart of the matter it seems. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > Please SEND IT as a comment to the White House at: >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> >http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact >>>>> > >>> > ... >>>>> > >>> > And LET THEM HEAR US SAY: >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > *** Mr. President PLEASE SPEAK OUT LOUDLY about homophobia, >>>>> school >>>>> > >>> bullying >>>>> > >>> > and equal civil rights for LGBTQ people -- no more suicide >>>>> letters. *** >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > To President Obama, >>>>> > >>> > All of us are horrified by the tragedy of Tyler Clementi, the >>>>> young man >>>>> > >>> who >>>>> > >>> > committed suicide after his sexual encounter with another man >>>>> was >>>>> > >>> posted on >>>>> > >>> > the internet. We share anger and disgust at the 2 students >>>>> accused of >>>>> > >>> this >>>>> > >>> > despicable act. But if our outrage stops there, we will be >>>>> doing a >>>>> > >>> grave >>>>> > >>> > disservice to the millions of young gay men and women in this >>>>> country >>>>> > >>> who >>>>> > >>> > live with shame and fear everyday and who have a 4 times >>>>> greater risk >>>>> > >>> of >>>>> > >>> > suicide than their straight counterparts. >>>>> > >>> > Most people would be embarrassed and angered at having their >>>>> private >>>>> > >>> sexual >>>>> > >>> > acts secretly recorded and posted on the internet, but it seems >>>>> > >>> unlikely >>>>> > >>> > that Mr. Clementi would have been driven to suicide if this had >>>>> been a >>>>> > >>> > heterosexual encounter. A young heterosexual man would not >>>>> likely >>>>> > >>> experience >>>>> > >>> > the shame and fear that Mr. Clementi must have felt. >>>>> > >>> > Yes, the 2 students accused of this crime must be held >>>>> accountable for >>>>> > >>> their >>>>> > >>> > actions, but as a society we must all share responsibility for >>>>> creating >>>>> > >>> an >>>>> > >>> > environment that drives young gay people to suicide. This >>>>> country has >>>>> > >>> come a >>>>> > >>> > long way toward acceptance of gay people in the last few >>>>> decades, but >>>>> > >>> we >>>>> > >>> > still have a long way to go. Young gay people still face >>>>> bullying and >>>>> > >>> abuse >>>>> > >>> > at home and at school; many experience ostracism by family and >>>>> friends; >>>>> > >>> > discrimination in school, work, housing and social services; >>>>> and >>>>> > >>> isolation >>>>> > >>> > from supportive communities of peers, as well as anti-gay >>>>> violence in >>>>> > >>> public >>>>> > >>> > and private. It's no wonder that the shame and fear of 'coming >>>>> out' can >>>>> > >>> be >>>>> > >>> > fatal. >>>>> > >>> > In the cyber world we now live in, there will undoubtedly be >>>>> more cases >>>>> > >>> of >>>>> > >>> > invasions of privacy on the internet. They can be punished, but >>>>> not >>>>> > >>> > prevented. It is up to all of us in this society to make sure >>>>> that >>>>> > >>> young gay >>>>> > >>> > people feel safe, secure and accepted, so that shame and fear >>>>> never >>>>> > >>> again >>>>> > >>> > result in death. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > Sincerely, >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> -- >>>>> > >>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>> > >>> For options & help seehttp:// >>>>> groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> * Visit our other community >>>>> > >>> athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>>>> <http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>>>> > >>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>>>> > >>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>>>> > >>>>> > >> -- >>>>> > >> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >>>>> > >> Have a great day, >>>>> > >> Tommy -- >>>>> > >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>> > >> For options & help seehttp:// >>>>> groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>> > >>>>> > >> * Visit our other community >>>>> > >> athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>>>> <http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>>>> > >> * It's active and moderated. 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Register and vote in our polls. >>>>> > >> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>>>> > >>>>> > > -- >>>>> > > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >>>>> > > Have a great day, >>>>> > > Tommy >>>>> > >>>>> > > -- >>>>> > > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>> > > For options & help seehttp:// >>>>> groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>> > >>>>> > > * Visit our other community >>>>> > > athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>>>> > > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>>>> > > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>>>> > >>>>> > -- >>>>> > Mark M. Kahle H.- Hide quoted text - >>>>> > >>>>> > - Show quoted text - >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>> >>>>> * Visit our other community at >>>>> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >>>> Have a great day, >>>> Tommy >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>> >>>> * Visit our other community at >>>> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mark M. 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