*Everything you said is ignorant, uncaring, officious, and without merit. * On 10/1/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > Tommy, I am hardly ignorant nor am I uncaring. I do however choose to live > without the Drama and knee jerks. > > > Just what part of what I said is incorrect and why do you think it so ?? > > > When one is unable to argue a point it is because of ignorance on THEIR > part.... not on the part of the poser of the position. > > > Again, just which part of what I said is without merit ?? > > > I put it to you that anyone that is self aware and has a semblance of pride > in their lives, actions, reality and perceptions has NEVER committed > suicide.... regardless of the impetus. > > > Again, just what part of my reasoning is lacking in forethought and reason > ?? > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > >> *Ignorant homophobes like you cause these suicides.* >> >> On 10/1/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> No Tommy, it is not. The urge to destroy oneself is as ancient as life >>> itself. There are so very many reasons people do this to themselves, both >>> real and unreal reasons. There is however ONE reason ALL suicides do >>> this.... they are too weak to cope and that, Sir, is a personal problem. It >>> is NOT societal, and NOT something that can be legislated that causes me to >>> lose the freedom to ask if someone is Gay or Lesbian (for whatever reason) >>> or to call someone a flaming Queen if they are acting like one. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> *Markie, Markie, Markie.* >>>> ** >>>> *Your ugly negativity and snarky spin is most perverse.* >>>> *One suicide is one too many.* >>>> >>>> *No man is an island* >>>> >>>> No man is an island entire of itself; every man >>>> is a piece of the continent, a part of the main; >>>> if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe >>>> is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as >>>> well as any manner of thy friends or of thine >>>> own were; any man's death diminishes me, >>>> because I am involved in mankind. >>>> And therefore never send to know for whom >>>> the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. >>>> >>>> -John Donne >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 10/1/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Tommy, Tommy, Tommy, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> He must have had a really poor self image... short of that nothing >>>>> could "Make" him commit suicide. Suicide IS against the law, isn't it ?? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So you are basically saying "Mommy, Mommy, he made me do it !!" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Not much of a defense when prejudice of one kind or another exists in >>>>> EVERY walk of life. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> *This is not one isolated incident. The problem of homophobia is >>>>>> societal and must be eradicated. * >>>>>> >>>>>> *This week , I heard about 3 – THREE – other young gay men murdered >>>>>> by homophobia in America.* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.queerty.com/shock-gay-texas-13-year-old-asher-brown-shoots-himself-in-the-head-after-horrific-school-torment-20100928/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2010/09/gay-teen-dies-after-10-days-on-life-support-following-suicide-attempt-over-anti-gay-bullying/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://abcnews.go.com/US/victim-secret-dorm-sex-tape-commits-suicide/story?id=11758716 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 10/1/10, nominal9 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think the issue here is that someone shot and distributed the >>>>>>> images >>>>>>> against the suicide victim's will.... >>>>>>> Plus, the victim was relatively young... eighteen....Gay or not.... >>>>>>> that's a lot for a young person to handle..... >>>>>>> nominal9 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 1, 12:09 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> > *Just exactly what was he ashamed of ??? Being gay ?? How do you >>>>>>> know ?? >>>>>>> > He's certainly not talking.* >>>>>>> > * >>>>>>> > * >>>>>>> > *Further, if one is going to do or be involved in something that >>>>>>> they find >>>>>>> > THAT shameful maybe they should rethink their own position first >>>>>>> rather than >>>>>>> > legislate an entire populace for a personal error.* >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> > > *Your twisted pretzel logic is, as usual, illogical.* >>>>>>> > > ** >>>>>>> > > *This talented young man would still be alive if it were not for >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> > > horrible shame he felt after this secret video was posted on the >>>>>>> internet by >>>>>>> > > his straight roomate.* >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > On 10/1/10, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >> I guess every time a gay guy comits suicide it is always a >>>>>>> societal >>>>>>> > >> homophobia, never anything else. And every time anyone kids a >>>>>>> gay guy then >>>>>>> > >> it is homophobia, never anything else. The people who filmed >>>>>>> him should >>>>>>> > >> pay for this big time but your thoughts on exactly why he took >>>>>>> his own life >>>>>>> > >> are open to question. People do things for reasons other than >>>>>>> homophobia, >>>>>>> > >> you know. The world does not revolve for the reasons you think >>>>>>> it does and >>>>>>> > >> the world does not sit there waiting for Tommy News do determine >>>>>>> if it was >>>>>>> > >> homophobia or not. You seem to think that if a gay guy does >>>>>>> not get a job >>>>>>> > >> he applied for it has to be because of homophobia, not that >>>>>>> someone better >>>>>>> > >> applied also. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >> On 10/01/2010 11:19 AM, Tommy News wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >> *Do you think Tyler Clementi would have taken his own life if >>>>>>> he had >>>>>>> > >> been filmed in a private romantic encounter with a girl?* >>>>>>> > >> *Think about why he took his life, why he did it. * >>>>>>> > >> * In addition, Think about why his straight roommate secretly >>>>>>> filmed the >>>>>>> > >> encounter and broadcast it on the Internet. >>>>>>> > >> * >>>>>>> > >> *The problem is societal homophobia, which causes deep shame, >>>>>>> ridicule, >>>>>>> > >> harm, and persecution of gays.* >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >> *Think, I know you can!* >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >> On 10/1/10, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> Tommy, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> One may first want to ask exactly what was so embarrassing and >>>>>>> > >>> repugnant on the tape that the young man was willing to take >>>>>>> his own >>>>>>> > >>> life and why it was so to him. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> That which made him jump came from within his own mind. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> Since when is it governments job to legislate fortitude and >>>>>>> love of >>>>>>> > >>> ones self ??? >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> On Sep 30, 6:23 pm, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> > >>> > *Take Action: Send A No More Suicides Letter to President >>>>>>> Obama and >>>>>>> > >>> Congress >>>>>>> > >>> > * >>>>>>> > >>> > *Tell them to introduce and pass The American Equality Bill, >>>>>>> to amend >>>>>>> > >>> the >>>>>>> > >>> > Civil Rights Act of 1964 to include sexual orientation and >>>>>>> gender >>>>>>> > >>> identity.* >>>>>>> > >>> > ** >>>>>>> > >>> > < >>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>> http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/30/suicide-and-the-internet/ >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > Tyler Clementi Jumped off the George Washington Bridge in New >>>>>>> York >>>>>>> > >>> after his >>>>>>> > >>> > same-sex romantic encounter was secretly filmed and posted on >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> > >>> internet >>>>>>> > >>> > by his college roomate. At least three other youths have >>>>>>> killed >>>>>>> > >>> themselves >>>>>>> > >>> > due to homophobic bullying. Stop The Hate! >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > From our friend Tif: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > -- THE LETTER BELOW WAS WRITTEN by Jonathan W, of Brooklyn, >>>>>>> NY and >>>>>>> > >>> really >>>>>>> > >>> > captures the heart of the matter it seems. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > Please SEND IT as a comment to the White House at: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> >http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact >>>>>>> > >>> > ... >>>>>>> > >>> > And LET THEM HEAR US SAY: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > *** Mr. President PLEASE SPEAK OUT LOUDLY about homophobia, >>>>>>> school >>>>>>> > >>> bullying >>>>>>> > >>> > and equal civil rights for LGBTQ people -- no more suicide >>>>>>> letters. *** >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > To President Obama, >>>>>>> > >>> > All of us are horrified by the tragedy of Tyler Clementi, the >>>>>>> young man >>>>>>> > >>> who >>>>>>> > >>> > committed suicide after his sexual encounter with another man >>>>>>> was >>>>>>> > >>> posted on >>>>>>> > >>> > the internet. We share anger and disgust at the 2 students >>>>>>> accused of >>>>>>> > >>> this >>>>>>> > >>> > despicable act. But if our outrage stops there, we will be >>>>>>> doing a >>>>>>> > >>> grave >>>>>>> > >>> > disservice to the millions of young gay men and women in this >>>>>>> country >>>>>>> > >>> who >>>>>>> > >>> > live with shame and fear everyday and who have a 4 times >>>>>>> greater risk >>>>>>> > >>> of >>>>>>> > >>> > suicide than their straight counterparts. >>>>>>> > >>> > Most people would be embarrassed and angered at having their >>>>>>> private >>>>>>> > >>> sexual >>>>>>> > >>> > acts secretly recorded and posted on the internet, but it >>>>>>> seems >>>>>>> > >>> unlikely >>>>>>> > >>> > that Mr. Clementi would have been driven to suicide if this >>>>>>> had been a >>>>>>> > >>> > heterosexual encounter. A young heterosexual man would not >>>>>>> likely >>>>>>> > >>> experience >>>>>>> > >>> > the shame and fear that Mr. Clementi must have felt. >>>>>>> > >>> > Yes, the 2 students accused of this crime must be held >>>>>>> accountable for >>>>>>> > >>> their >>>>>>> > >>> > actions, but as a society we must all share responsibility >>>>>>> for creating >>>>>>> > >>> an >>>>>>> > >>> > environment that drives young gay people to suicide. This >>>>>>> country has >>>>>>> > >>> come a >>>>>>> > >>> > long way toward acceptance of gay people in the last few >>>>>>> decades, but >>>>>>> > >>> we >>>>>>> > >>> > still have a long way to go. Young gay people still face >>>>>>> bullying and >>>>>>> > >>> abuse >>>>>>> > >>> > at home and at school; many experience ostracism by family >>>>>>> and friends; >>>>>>> > >>> > discrimination in school, work, housing and social services; >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> > >>> isolation >>>>>>> > >>> > from supportive communities of peers, as well as anti-gay >>>>>>> violence in >>>>>>> > >>> public >>>>>>> > >>> > and private. It's no wonder that the shame and fear of >>>>>>> 'coming out' can >>>>>>> > >>> be >>>>>>> > >>> > fatal. >>>>>>> > >>> > In the cyber world we now live in, there will undoubtedly be >>>>>>> more cases >>>>>>> > >>> of >>>>>>> > >>> > invasions of privacy on the internet. They can be punished, >>>>>>> but not >>>>>>> > >>> > prevented. It is up to all of us in this society to make sure >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> > >>> young gay >>>>>>> > >>> > people feel safe, secure and accepted, so that shame and fear >>>>>>> never >>>>>>> > >>> again >>>>>>> > >>> > result in death. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > Sincerely, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> -- >>>>>>> > >>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>>>> > >>> For options & help seehttp:// >>>>>>> groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> * Visit our other community >>>>>>> > >>> athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>>>>>> <http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>>>>>> > >>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>>>>>> > >>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >> -- >>>>>>> > >> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >>>>>>> > >> Have a great day, >>>>>>> > >> Tommy -- >>>>>>> > >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>>>> > >> For options & help seehttp:// >>>>>>> groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >> * Visit our other community >>>>>>> > >> athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>>>>>> <http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>>>>>> > >> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>>>>>> > >> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >> -- >>>>>>> > >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>>>> > >> For options & help seehttp:// >>>>>>> groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >> * Visit our other community >>>>>>> > >> athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>>>>>> <http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>>>>>> > >> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>>>>>> > >> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > -- >>>>>>> > > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >>>>>>> > > Have a great day, >>>>>>> > > Tommy >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > -- >>>>>>> > > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>>>> > > For options & help seehttp:// >>>>>>> groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > * Visit our other community >>>>>>> > > athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>>>>>> > > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>>>>>> > > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > -- >>>>>>> > Mark M. Kahle H.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > - Show quoted text - >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>>>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * Visit our other community at >>>>>>> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>>>>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>>>>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >>>>>> Have a great day, >>>>>> Tommy >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>>> >>>>>> * Visit our other community at >>>>>> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>>>>> * It's active and moderated. 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