Tommy, I am hardly ignorant nor am I uncaring. I do however choose to live without the Drama and knee jerks.
Just what part of what I said is incorrect and why do you think it so ?? When one is unable to argue a point it is because of ignorance on THEIR part.... not on the part of the poser of the position. Again, just which part of what I said is without merit ?? I put it to you that anyone that is self aware and has a semblance of pride in their lives, actions, reality and perceptions has NEVER committed suicide.... regardless of the impetus. Again, just what part of my reasoning is lacking in forethought and reason ?? On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > *Ignorant homophobes like you cause these suicides.* > > On 10/1/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > >> No Tommy, it is not. The urge to destroy oneself is as ancient as life >> itself. There are so very many reasons people do this to themselves, both >> real and unreal reasons. There is however ONE reason ALL suicides do >> this.... they are too weak to cope and that, Sir, is a personal problem. It >> is NOT societal, and NOT something that can be legislated that causes me to >> lose the freedom to ask if someone is Gay or Lesbian (for whatever reason) >> or to call someone a flaming Queen if they are acting like one. >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> *Markie, Markie, Markie.* >>> ** >>> *Your ugly negativity and snarky spin is most perverse.* >>> *One suicide is one too many.* >>> >>> *No man is an island* >>> >>> No man is an island entire of itself; every man >>> is a piece of the continent, a part of the main; >>> if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe >>> is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as >>> well as any manner of thy friends or of thine >>> own were; any man's death diminishes me, >>> because I am involved in mankind. >>> And therefore never send to know for whom >>> the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. >>> >>> -John Donne >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/1/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Tommy, Tommy, Tommy, >>>> >>>> >>>> He must have had a really poor self image... short of that nothing could >>>> "Make" him commit suicide. Suicide IS against the law, isn't it ?? >>>> >>>> >>>> So you are basically saying "Mommy, Mommy, he made me do it !!" >>>> >>>> >>>> Not much of a defense when prejudice of one kind or another exists in >>>> EVERY walk of life. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> *This is not one isolated incident. The problem of homophobia is >>>>> societal and must be eradicated. * >>>>> >>>>> *This week , I heard about 3 – THREE – other young gay men murdered by >>>>> homophobia in America.* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.queerty.com/shock-gay-texas-13-year-old-asher-brown-shoots-himself-in-the-head-after-horrific-school-torment-20100928/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2010/09/gay-teen-dies-after-10-days-on-life-support-following-suicide-attempt-over-anti-gay-bullying/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://abcnews.go.com/US/victim-secret-dorm-sex-tape-commits-suicide/story?id=11758716 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 10/1/10, nominal9 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I think the issue here is that someone shot and distributed the images >>>>>> against the suicide victim's will.... >>>>>> Plus, the victim was relatively young... eighteen....Gay or not.... >>>>>> that's a lot for a young person to handle..... >>>>>> nominal9 >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 1, 12:09 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > *Just exactly what was he ashamed of ??? Being gay ?? How do you >>>>>> know ?? >>>>>> > He's certainly not talking.* >>>>>> > * >>>>>> > * >>>>>> > *Further, if one is going to do or be involved in something that >>>>>> they find >>>>>> > THAT shameful maybe they should rethink their own position first >>>>>> rather than >>>>>> > legislate an entire populace for a personal error.* >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > > *Your twisted pretzel logic is, as usual, illogical.* >>>>>> > > ** >>>>>> > > *This talented young man would still be alive if it were not for >>>>>> the >>>>>> > > horrible shame he felt after this secret video was posted on the >>>>>> internet by >>>>>> > > his straight roomate.* >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > On 10/1/10, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> I guess every time a gay guy comits suicide it is always a >>>>>> societal >>>>>> > >> homophobia, never anything else. And every time anyone kids a >>>>>> gay guy then >>>>>> > >> it is homophobia, never anything else. The people who filmed >>>>>> him should >>>>>> > >> pay for this big time but your thoughts on exactly why he took >>>>>> his own life >>>>>> > >> are open to question. People do things for reasons other than >>>>>> homophobia, >>>>>> > >> you know. The world does not revolve for the reasons you think >>>>>> it does and >>>>>> > >> the world does not sit there waiting for Tommy News do determine >>>>>> if it was >>>>>> > >> homophobia or not. You seem to think that if a gay guy does not >>>>>> get a job >>>>>> > >> he applied for it has to be because of homophobia, not that >>>>>> someone better >>>>>> > >> applied also. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> On 10/01/2010 11:19 AM, Tommy News wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> *Do you think Tyler Clementi would have taken his own life if he >>>>>> had >>>>>> > >> been filmed in a private romantic encounter with a girl?* >>>>>> > >> *Think about why he took his life, why he did it. * >>>>>> > >> * In addition, Think about why his straight roommate secretly >>>>>> filmed the >>>>>> > >> encounter and broadcast it on the Internet. >>>>>> > >> * >>>>>> > >> *The problem is societal homophobia, which causes deep shame, >>>>>> ridicule, >>>>>> > >> harm, and persecution of gays.* >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> *Think, I know you can!* >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> On 10/1/10, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> Tommy, >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> One may first want to ask exactly what was so embarrassing and >>>>>> > >>> repugnant on the tape that the young man was willing to take his >>>>>> own >>>>>> > >>> life and why it was so to him. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> That which made him jump came from within his own mind. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> Since when is it governments job to legislate fortitude and love >>>>>> of >>>>>> > >>> ones self ??? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> On Sep 30, 6:23 pm, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > >>> > *Take Action: Send A No More Suicides Letter to President >>>>>> Obama and >>>>>> > >>> Congress >>>>>> > >>> > * >>>>>> > >>> > *Tell them to introduce and pass The American Equality Bill, >>>>>> to amend >>>>>> > >>> the >>>>>> > >>> > Civil Rights Act of 1964 to include sexual orientation and >>>>>> gender >>>>>> > >>> identity.* >>>>>> > >>> > ** >>>>>> > >>> > < >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/30/suicide-and-the-internet/ >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> > Tyler Clementi Jumped off the George Washington Bridge in New >>>>>> York >>>>>> > >>> after his >>>>>> > >>> > same-sex romantic encounter was secretly filmed and posted on >>>>>> the >>>>>> > >>> internet >>>>>> > >>> > by his college roomate. At least three other youths have >>>>>> killed >>>>>> > >>> themselves >>>>>> > >>> > due to homophobic bullying. Stop The Hate! >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> > From our friend Tif: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> > -- THE LETTER BELOW WAS WRITTEN by Jonathan W, of Brooklyn, NY >>>>>> and >>>>>> > >>> really >>>>>> > >>> > captures the heart of the matter it seems. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> > Please SEND IT as a comment to the White House at: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> >http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact >>>>>> > >>> > ... >>>>>> > >>> > And LET THEM HEAR US SAY: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> > *** Mr. President PLEASE SPEAK OUT LOUDLY about homophobia, >>>>>> school >>>>>> > >>> bullying >>>>>> > >>> > and equal civil rights for LGBTQ people -- no more suicide >>>>>> letters. *** >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> > To President Obama, >>>>>> > >>> > All of us are horrified by the tragedy of Tyler Clementi, the >>>>>> young man >>>>>> > >>> who >>>>>> > >>> > committed suicide after his sexual encounter with another man >>>>>> was >>>>>> > >>> posted on >>>>>> > >>> > the internet. We share anger and disgust at the 2 students >>>>>> accused of >>>>>> > >>> this >>>>>> > >>> > despicable act. But if our outrage stops there, we will be >>>>>> doing a >>>>>> > >>> grave >>>>>> > >>> > disservice to the millions of young gay men and women in this >>>>>> country >>>>>> > >>> who >>>>>> > >>> > live with shame and fear everyday and who have a 4 times >>>>>> greater risk >>>>>> > >>> of >>>>>> > >>> > suicide than their straight counterparts. >>>>>> > >>> > Most people would be embarrassed and angered at having their >>>>>> private >>>>>> > >>> sexual >>>>>> > >>> > acts secretly recorded and posted on the internet, but it >>>>>> seems >>>>>> > >>> unlikely >>>>>> > >>> > that Mr. Clementi would have been driven to suicide if this >>>>>> had been a >>>>>> > >>> > heterosexual encounter. A young heterosexual man would not >>>>>> likely >>>>>> > >>> experience >>>>>> > >>> > the shame and fear that Mr. Clementi must have felt. >>>>>> > >>> > Yes, the 2 students accused of this crime must be held >>>>>> accountable for >>>>>> > >>> their >>>>>> > >>> > actions, but as a society we must all share responsibility for >>>>>> creating >>>>>> > >>> an >>>>>> > >>> > environment that drives young gay people to suicide. This >>>>>> country has >>>>>> > >>> come a >>>>>> > >>> > long way toward acceptance of gay people in the last few >>>>>> decades, but >>>>>> > >>> we >>>>>> > >>> > still have a long way to go. Young gay people still face >>>>>> bullying and >>>>>> > >>> abuse >>>>>> > >>> > at home and at school; many experience ostracism by family and >>>>>> friends; >>>>>> > >>> > discrimination in school, work, housing and social services; >>>>>> and >>>>>> > >>> isolation >>>>>> > >>> > from supportive communities of peers, as well as anti-gay >>>>>> violence in >>>>>> > >>> public >>>>>> > >>> > and private. It's no wonder that the shame and fear of 'coming >>>>>> out' can >>>>>> > >>> be >>>>>> > >>> > fatal. >>>>>> > >>> > In the cyber world we now live in, there will undoubtedly be >>>>>> more cases >>>>>> > >>> of >>>>>> > >>> > invasions of privacy on the internet. They can be punished, >>>>>> but not >>>>>> > >>> > prevented. It is up to all of us in this society to make sure >>>>>> that >>>>>> > >>> young gay >>>>>> > >>> > people feel safe, secure and accepted, so that shame and fear >>>>>> never >>>>>> > >>> again >>>>>> > >>> > result in death. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> > Sincerely, >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> -- >>>>>> > >>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>>> > >>> For options & help seehttp:// >>>>>> groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> * Visit our other community >>>>>> > >>> athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>>>>> <http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>>>>> > >>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>>>>> > >>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> -- >>>>>> > >> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >>>>>> > >> Have a great day, >>>>>> > >> Tommy -- >>>>>> > >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>>> > >> For options & help seehttp:// >>>>>> groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> * Visit our other community >>>>>> > >> athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>>>>> <http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>>>>> > >> * It's active and moderated. 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Register and vote in our polls. >>>>>> > >> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > -- >>>>>> > > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >>>>>> > > Have a great day, >>>>>> > > Tommy >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > -- >>>>>> > > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>>> > > For options & help seehttp:// >>>>>> groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > * Visit our other community >>>>>> > > athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>>>>> > > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>>>>> > > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > -- >>>>>> > Mark M. Kahle H.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> > >>>>>> > - Show quoted text - >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>>> >>>>>> * Visit our other community at >>>>>> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>>>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>>>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >>>>> Have a great day, >>>>> Tommy >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>> >>>>> * Visit our other community at >>>>> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>>>> * It's active and moderated. 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