Dick- I believe it is you who really are the misguided dipsh*t. Take a good look at the 31 Republican Senator No Votes against DADT repeal, and at and John McCain's Filibuster Attempt. Homophobia runs rampant in Congress.
On 12/18/10, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > You really are a dipsh*t. We told you long ago bring it up by itself > and it will pass. They finally did and it passed. Doesn't matter > what else you say, that is what happened. Now to see that the rest of > these bills continue getting voted down. None of them are worth passing. > > On 12/18/2010 10:02 PM, Tommy News wrote: >> Wrong again. >> What I saw was that 31 Republican Senators voted against DADT repeal >> based upon their stand alone misguided homophobia which has now been >> plainly exposed. We must now campaign to vote all 31 of them out of >> office to get ENDA, UAFA, and AEB passed, and DOMA repealed. 2012, >> Bring it on. >> >> On 12/18/10, dick thompson<[email protected]> wrote: >>> Like we told you a long time ago. Bring it up by itself and it will >>> pass. Instead you kept trying to blame the votes against the Omnibus >>> earmark bill on the DADT alone. Someday you might learn something but >>> I kinda doubt it. Now maybe you will accept that some of the votes >>> against the Omnibus krep bill were against something other than DADT. >>> Although I doubt that too. You are far too wedded to blaming anything >>> that goes against what you want as being homophobic alone. Obviously >>> that is not so. >>> >>> On 12/18/2010 09:43 PM, Tommy News wrote: >>>> Victory! Senate Repeals ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’, Despite 31 Republican >>>> No Votes and John McCain's Fillibuster Attempt. This is a long overdue >>>> victory for Civil Rights equality. Repeal of DOMA and Passige of ENDA >>>> and UAFA, and introduction of The American Equality Bill for Civil >>>> Rights are next. >>>> >>>> Senate Repeals ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ >>>> >>>> Drew Angerer/The New York Times >>>> Senator Joseph I. Lieberman gave the thumbs up as Majority Leader >>>> Harry Reid spoke at a press conference after the “don’t ask, don’t >>>> tell” vote. >>>> >>>> By CARL HULSE >>>> nk WASHINGTON — The Senate on Saturday voted to strike down the ban on >>>> gay men and lesbians serving openly in the military, bringing to a >>>> close a 17-year struggle over a policy that forced thousands of >>>> Americans from the ranks and caused others to keep secret their sexual >>>> orientation. >>>> >>>> >>>> Clockwise from left, Senators Mark Udall, Joseph I. Lieberman, Susan >>>> Collins and Kirsten Gillibrand after a news conference on the repeal >>>> of “don’t ask, don’t tell.” >>>> >>>> By a vote of 65 to 31, with eight Republicans joining Democrats, the >>>> Senate approved and sent to President Obama a repeal of the >>>> Clinton-era law, known as “don’t ask, don’t tell,” a policy critics >>>> said amounted to government-sanctioned discrimination that treated >>>> gay, lesbian and bisexual troops as second-class citizens. >>>> >>>> Mr. Obama hailed the action, which fulfills his pledge to reverse the >>>> ban, and said it was “time to close this chapter in our history.” >>>> >>>> “As commander in chief, I am also absolutely convinced that making >>>> this change will only underscore the professionalism of our troops as >>>> the best-led and best-trained fighting force the world has ever >>>> known,” he said in a statement after the Senate, on a preliminary >>>> 63-to-33 vote, beat back Republican efforts to block final action on >>>> the repeal bill. >>>> >>>> The vote marked a historic moment that some equated with the end of >>>> racial segregation in the military. >>>> >>>> It followed an exhaustive Pentagon review that determined the policy >>>> could be changed with only isolated disruptions to unit cohesion and >>>> retention, though members of combat units and the Marine Corps >>>> expressed greater reservations about the shift. Congressional action >>>> was backed by Pentagon officials as a better alternative to a >>>> court-ordered end. >>>> >>>> Supporters of the repeal said it was long past time to abolish what >>>> they saw as an ill-advised practice that cost valuable personnel and >>>> forced troops to lie to serve their country. >>>> >>>> “We righted a wrong,” said Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, the >>>> independent from Connecticut and a leader of the effort to end the >>>> ban. “Today we’ve done justice.” >>>> >>>> Before voting on the repeal, the Senate blocked a bill that would have >>>> created a path to citizenship for certain illegal immigrants who came >>>> to the United States at a young age, completed two years of college or >>>> military service and met other requirements including passing a >>>> criminal background check. >>>> >>>> The 55-to-41 vote in favor of the citizenship bill was five votes >>>> short of the number needed to clear the way for final passage of what >>>> is known as the Dream Act. >>>> >>>> The outcome effectively kills it for this year, and its fate beyond >>>> that is uncertain since Republicans who will assume control of the >>>> House in January oppose the measure and are unlikely to bring it to a >>>> vote. >>>> >>>> The Senate then moved on to the military legislation, engaging in an >>>> emotional back and forth over the merits of the measure as advocates >>>> for repeal watched from galleries crowded with people interested in >>>> the fate of both the military and immigration measures. >>>> >>>> “I don’t care who you love,” Senator Ron Wyden, Democrat of Oregon, >>>> said as the debate opened. “If you love this country enough to risk >>>> your life for it, you shouldn’t have to hide who you are.” >>>> >>>> Mr. Wyden showed up for the Senate vote despite saying earlier that he >>>> would be unable to do so because he would be undergoing final tests >>>> before his scheduled surgery for prostate cancer on Monday. >>>> >>>> The vote came in the final days of the 111th Congress as Democrats >>>> sought to force through a final few priorities before they turn over >>>> control of the House of Representatives to the Republicans in January >>>> and see their clout in the Senate diminished. >>>> >>>> It represented a significant victory for the White House, >>>> Congressional advocates of lifting the ban and activists who have >>>> pushed for years to end the Pentagon policy created in 1993 under the >>>> Clinton administration as a compromise effort to end the practice of >>>> barring gay men and lesbians entirely from military service. >>>> >>>> Saying it represented an emotional moment for members of the gay >>>> community nationwide, advocates who supported repeal of “don’t ask, >>>> don’t tell” exchanged hugs outside the Senate chamber after the vote. >>>> >>>> “Today’s vote means gay and lesbian service members posted all around >>>> the world can stand taller knowing that ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ will >>>> soon be coming to an end,” said Aubrey Sarvis, an Army veteran and >>>> executive director for Servicemembers Legal Defense Network. >>>> >>>> Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona and his party’s >>>> presidential candidate in 2008, led the opposition to the repeal and >>>> said the vote was a sad day in history. >>>> >>>> “I hope that when we pass this legislation that we will understand >>>> that we are doing great damage,” Mr. McCain said. “And we could >>>> possibly and probably, as the commandant of the Marine Corps said, and >>>> as I have been told by literally thousands of members of the military, >>>> harm the battle effectiveness vital to the survival of our young men >>>> and women in the military.” >>>> >>>> He and others opposed to lifting the ban said the change could harm >>>> the unit cohesion that is essential to effective military operations, >>>> particularly in combat, and deter some Americans from enlisting or >>>> pursuing a career in the military. They noted that despite support for >>>> repealing the ban from Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates and Adm. Mike >>>> Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, other military >>>> commanders have warned that changing the practice would prove >>>> disruptive. >>>> >>>> “This isn’t broke,” Senator James M. Inhofe, Republican of Oklahoma, >>>> said about the policy. “It is working very well.” >>>> >>>> Other Republicans said that while the policy might need to be changed >>>> at some point, Congress should not do so when American troops are >>>> fighting overseas. >>>> >>>> Only a week ago, the effort to repeal the “don’t ask, don’t tell” >>>> policy seemed to be dead and in danger of fading for at least two >>>> years with Republicans about to take control of the House. The >>>> provision eliminating the ban was initially included in a broader >>>> Pentagon policy bill, and Republican backers of repeal had refused to >>>> join in cutting off a filibuster against the underlying bill because >>>> of objections over limits on debate of the measure. >>>> >>>> In a last-ditch effort, Mr. Lieberman and Senator Susan Collins of >>>> Maine, a key Republican opponent of the ban, encouraged Democratic >>>> Congressional leaders to instead pursue a vote on simply repealing it. >>>> The House passed the measure earlier in the week. >>>> >>>> The repeal will not take effect for at least 60 days, and probably >>>> longer, while some other procedural steps are taken. In addition, the >>>> bill requires the defense secretary to determine that policies are in >>>> place to carry out the repeal “consistent with military standards for >>>> readiness, effectiveness, unit cohesion, and recruiting and >>>> retention.” >>>> >>>> Multimedia >>>> Interactive Graphic >>>> How the Senate Voted >>>> >>>> Timeline >>>> Congressional Action on "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" >>>> >>>> Blogs >>>> The Caucus >>>> The latest on President Obama, the new Congress and other news from >>>> Washington and around the nation. Join the discussion. >>>> >>>> FiveThirtyEight: Nate Silver's Political Calculus >>>> More Politics News >>>> “It is going to take some time,” Ms. Collins said. “It is not going to >>>> happen overnight.” >>>> >>>> In a statement, Mr. Gates said that once the measure was signed into >>>> law, he would “immediately proceed with the planning necessary to >>>> carry out this change carefully and methodically, but purposefully.” >>>> In the meantime, he said, “the current law and policy will remain in >>>> effect.” >>>> >>>> Because of the delay in formally overturning the policy, Mr. Sarvis >>>> appealed to Mr. Gates to suspend any investigations into military >>>> personnel or discharge proceedings now under way. Legal challenges to >>>> the existing ban are also expected to continue until the repeal is >>>> fully carried out. >>>> >>>> In addition to Ms. Collins, Republicans backing the repeal were >>>> Senators Scott P. Brown of Massachusetts, Richard M. Burr of North >>>> Carolina, John Ensign of Nevada, Mark Kirk of Illinois, Lisa Murkowski >>>> of Alaska, Olympia J. Snowe of Maine and George V. Voinovich of Ohio. >>>> >>>> “It was a difficult vote for many of them,” Ms. Collins said, “but in >>>> the end they concluded, as I have concluded, that we should welcome >>>> the service of any qualified individual who is willing to put on the >>>> uniform of this country.” >>>> >>>> Mr. Lieberman said the ban undermined the integrity of the military by >>>> forcing troops to lie. He said 14,000 people had been forced to leave >>>> the armed forces under the policy. >>>> >>>> “What a waste,” he said. >>>> >>>> The fight erupted in the early days of President Bill Clinton’s >>>> administration and has been a roiling political issue ever since. Mr. >>>> Obama endorsed repeal in his presidential campaign and advocates saw >>>> the current Congress as their best opportunity for ending the ban. >>>> Dozens of advocates of ending the ban — including one severely wounded >>>> in combat before being forced from the military — watched from the >>>> Senate gallery as the debate took place. >>>> >>>> Senator Carl Levin, the Michigan Democrat who is chairman of the Armed >>>> Services Committee, dismissed Republican complaints that Democrats >>>> were trying to race through the repeal to satisfy their political >>>> supporters. >>>> >>>> “I’m not here for partisan reasons,” Mr. Levin said. “I’m here because >>>> men and women wearing the uniform of the United States who are gay and >>>> lesbian have died for this country, because gay and lesbian men and >>>> women wearing the uniform of this country have their lives on the line >>>> right now.” >>>> >>>> More: >>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/19/us-military-senate-vote >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>> For options& help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>> >>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >> > > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
