Tommy, Why are you using the past tense when speaking of DADT.... It is still in force.
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > I do not think DADT was necessary at all. > Colin Powell and the Republicans did, and President Clinton agreed to > the DADT "compromise", which he later said was a mistake. > > On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <[email protected]> wrote: > > WHY was DADT necessary Tommy? > > > > On Dec 22, 11:07 am, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Greg- > >> > >> DADT was a compromise brokered by Republican Colin Powell, who > >> convinced President Clinton it was the best way forward. Obviously, > >> the misguided policy failed, ruining thousands of lives and careers, > >> and it has now been repealed. > >> Puting the blame on Democrats does not pass muster. Your twisted > >> pretzel glue logic will not work. > >> > >> On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > How bout the OVERWHELMING number of democrats who made DADT necessary > >> > in the first place? Whole bunch still there. > >> > >> > Ya really wanna play the, its a republican thing, card mate? Cuz the > >> > hundreds, just became dems. > >> > >> > On Dec 22, 10:51 am, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Sure, why not. Also vote out all the Republicans in the house who > >> >> voted against repeal. Hundreds of them. > >> > >> >> On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> >> > Does the same go for the 26 Democratic members of the House that > >> >> > voted > >> >> > against DADT [repeal]?? > >> >> > -------------------------------- > >> > >> >> > Uh oh! > >> > >> >> > Tom? > >> > >> >> > On Dec 22, 10:27 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> Does the same go for the 26 Democratic members of the House that > >> >> >> voted > >> >> >> against DADT?? > >> > >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Tommy News <[email protected] > > > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> > I disagree. > >> > >> >> >> > 31 Republican Senators voted against stand alone DADT repeal. > They > >> >> >> > have now blatantly exposed their stand alone homophobia. John > >> >> >> > McCain, > >> >> >> > who attempted to filibuster DADT repeal, is the worst of the > lot. > >> >> >> > We > >> >> >> > must now vote all 31 of them out of office. > >> > >> >> >> > On 12/18/10, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> > > Like we told you a long time ago. Bring it up by itself and > it > >> >> >> > > will > >> >> >> > > pass. Instead you kept trying to blame the votes against the > >> >> >> > > Omnibus > >> >> >> > > earmark bill on the DADT alone. Someday you might learn > >> >> >> > > something > >> >> >> > > but > >> >> >> > > I kinda doubt it. Now maybe you will accept that some of the > >> >> >> > > votes > >> >> >> > > against the Omnibus krep bill were against something other > than > >> >> >> > > DADT. > >> >> >> > > Although I doubt that too. You are far too wedded to blaming > >> >> >> > > anything > >> >> >> > > that goes against what you want as being homophobic alone. > >> >> >> > > Obviously > >> >> >> > > that is not so. > >> > >> >> >> > > On 12/18/2010 09:43 PM, Tommy News wrote: > >> >> >> > >> Victory! Senate Repeals ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’, Despite 31 > >> >> >> > >> Republican > >> >> >> > >> No Votes and John McCain's Fillibuster Attempt. This is a > long > >> >> >> > >> overdue > >> >> >> > >> victory for Civil Rights equality. Repeal of DOMA and Passige > >> >> >> > >> of > >> >> >> > >> ENDA > >> >> >> > >> and UAFA, and introduction of The American Equality Bill for > >> >> >> > >> Civil > >> >> >> > >> Rights are next. > >> > >> >> >> > >> Senate Repeals ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ > >> > >> >> >> > >> Drew Angerer/The New York Times > >> >> >> > >> Senator Joseph I. Lieberman gave the thumbs up as Majority > >> >> >> > >> Leader > >> >> >> > >> Harry Reid spoke at a press conference after the “don’t ask, > >> >> >> > >> don’t > >> >> >> > >> tell” vote. > >> > >> >> >> > >> By CARL HULSE > >> >> >> > >> nk WASHINGTON — The Senate on Saturday voted to strike down > the > >> >> >> > >> ban > >> >> >> > >> on > >> >> >> > >> gay men and lesbians serving openly in the military, bringing > >> >> >> > >> to a > >> >> >> > >> close a 17-year struggle over a policy that forced thousands > of > >> >> >> > >> Americans from the ranks and caused others to keep secret > their > >> >> >> > >> sexual > >> >> >> > >> orientation. > >> > >> >> >> > >> Clockwise from left, Senators Mark Udall, Joseph I. > Lieberman, > >> >> >> > >> Susan > >> >> >> > >> Collins and Kirsten Gillibrand after a news conference on the > >> >> >> > >> repeal > >> >> >> > >> of “don’t ask, don’t tell.” > >> > >> >> >> > >> By a vote of 65 to 31, with eight Republicans joining > >> >> >> > >> Democrats, > >> >> >> > >> the > >> >> >> > >> Senate approved and sent to President Obama a repeal of the > >> >> >> > >> Clinton-era law, known as “don’t ask, don’t tell,” a policy > >> >> >> > >> critics > >> >> >> > >> said amounted to government-sanctioned discrimination that > >> >> >> > >> treated > >> >> >> > >> gay, lesbian and bisexual troops as second-class citizens. > >> > >> >> >> > >> Mr. Obama hailed the action, which fulfills his pledge to > >> >> >> > >> reverse > >> >> >> > >> the > >> >> >> > >> ban, and said it was “time to close this chapter in our > >> >> >> > >> history.” > >> > >> >> >> > >> “As commander in chief, I am also absolutely convinced that > >> >> >> > >> making > >> >> >> > >> this change will only underscore the professionalism of our > >> >> >> > >> troops > >> >> >> > >> as > >> >> >> > >> the best-led and best-trained fighting force the world has > ever > >> >> >> > >> known,” he said in a statement after the Senate, on a > >> >> >> > >> preliminary > >> >> >> > >> 63-to-33 vote, beat back Republican efforts to block final > >> >> >> > >> action > >> >> >> > >> on > >> >> >> > >> the repeal bill. > >> > >> >> >> > >> The vote marked a historic moment that some equated with the > >> >> >> > >> end > >> >> >> > >> of > >> >> >> > >> racial segregation in the military. > >> > >> >> >> > >> It followed an exhaustive Pentagon review that determined the > >> >> >> > >> policy > >> >> >> > >> could be changed with only isolated disruptions to unit > >> >> >> > >> cohesion > >> >> >> > >> and > >> >> >> > >> retention, though members of combat units and the Marine > Corps > >> >> >> > >> expressed greater reservations about the shift. Congressional > >> >> >> > >> action > >> >> >> > >> was backed by Pentagon officials as a better alternative to a > >> >> >> > >> court-ordered end. > >> > >> >> >> > >> Supporters of the repeal said it was long past time to > abolish > >> >> >> > >> what > >> >> >> > >> they saw as an ill-advised practice that cost valuable > >> >> >> > >> personnel > >> >> >> > >> and > >> >> >> > >> forced troops to lie to serve their country. > >> > >> >> >> > >> “We righted a wrong,” said Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, the > >> >> >> > >> independent from Connecticut and a leader of the effort to > end > >> >> >> > >> the > >> >> >> > >> ban. “Today we’ve done justice.” > >> > >> >> >> > >> Before voting on the repeal, the Senate blocked a bill that > >> >> >> > >> would > >> >> >> > >> have > >> >> >> > >> created a path to citizenship for certain illegal immigrants > >> >> >> > >> who > >> >> >> > >> came > >> >> >> > >> to the United States at a young age, completed two years of > >> >> >> > >> college > >> >> >> > >> or > >> >> >> > >> military service and met other requirements including passing > a > >> >> >> > >> criminal background check. > >> > >> >> >> > >> The 55-to-41 vote in favor of the citizenship bill was five > >> >> >> > >> votes > >> >> >> > >> short of the number needed to clear the way for final passage > >> >> >> > >> of > >> >> >> > >> what > >> >> >> > >> is known as the Dream Act. > >> > >> >> >> > >> The outcome effectively kills it for this year, and its fate > >> >> >> > >> beyond > >> >> >> > >> that is uncertain since Republicans who will assume control > of > >> >> >> > >> the > >> >> >> > >> House in January oppose the measure and are unlikely to bring > >> >> >> > >> it > >> >> >> > >> to a > >> >> >> > >> vote. > >> > >> >> >> > >> The Senate then moved on to the military legislation, > engaging > >> >> >> > >> in > >> >> >> > >> an > >> >> >> > >> emotional back and forth over the merits of the measure as > >> >> >> > >> advocates > >> >> >> > >> for repeal watched from galleries crowded with people > >> >> >> > >> interested > >> >> >> > >> in > >> >> >> > >> the fate of both the military and immigration measures. > >> > >> >> >> > >> “I don’t care who you love,” Senator Ron Wyden, Democrat of > >> >> >> > >> Oregon, > >> >> >> > >> said as the debate opened. “If you love this country enough > to > >> >> >> > >> risk > >> >> >> > >> your life for it, you shouldn’t have to hide who you are.” > >> > >> >> >> > >> Mr. Wyden showed up for the Senate vote despite saying > earlier > >> >> >> > >> that > >> >> >> > >> he > >> >> >> > >> would be unable to do so because he would be undergoing final > >> >> >> > >> tests > >> >> >> > >> before his scheduled surgery for prostate cancer on Monday. > >> > >> >> >> > >> The vote came in the final days of the 111th Congress as > >> >> >> > >> Democrats > >> >> >> > >> sought to force through a final few priorities before they > turn > >> >> >> > >> over > >> >> >> > >> control of the House of Representatives to the Republicans in > >> >> >> > >> January > >> >> >> > >> and see their clout in the Senate diminished. > >> > >> >> >> > >> It represented a significant victory for the White House, > >> >> >> > >> Congressional advocates of lifting the ban and activists who > >> >> >> > >> have > >> >> >> > >> pushed for years to end the Pentagon policy created in 1993 > >> >> >> > >> under > >> >> >> > >> the > >> >> >> > >> Clinton administration as a compromise effort to end the > >> >> >> > >> practice > >> >> >> > >> of > >> >> >> > >> barring gay men and lesbians entirely from military service. > >> > >> >> >> > >> Saying it represented an emotional moment for members of the > >> >> >> > >> gay > >> >> >> > >> community nationwide, advocates who supported repeal of > “don’t > >> >> >> > >> ask, > >> >> >> > >> don’t tell” exchanged hugs outside the Senate chamber after > the > >> >> >> > >> vote. > >> > >> >> >> > >> “Today’s vote means gay and lesbian service members posted > all > >> >> >> > >> around > >> >> >> > >> the world can stand taller knowing that ‘don’t ask, don’t > tell’ > >> >> >> > >> will > >> >> >> > >> soon be coming to an end,” said Aubrey Sarvis, an Army > veteran > >> >> >> > >> and > >> >> >> > >> executive director for Servicemembers Legal Defense Network. > >> > >> >> >> > >> Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona and his party’s > >> >> >> > >> presidential candidate in 2008, led the opposition to the > >> >> >> > >> repeal > >> >> >> > >> and > >> >> >> > >> said the vote was a sad day in history. > >> > >> >> >> > >> “I hope that when we pass this legislation that we will > >> >> >> > >> understand > >> >> >> > >> that we are doing great damage,” Mr. McCain said. “And we > could > >> >> >> > >> possibly and probably, as the commandant of the Marine Corps > >> >> >> > >> said, > >> >> >> > >> and > >> >> >> > >> as I have been told by literally thousands of members of the > >> >> >> > >> military, > >> >> >> > >> harm the battle effectiveness vital to the survival of our > >> >> >> > >> young > >> >> >> > >> men > >> >> >> > >> and women in the military.” > >> > >> >> >> > >> He and others opposed to lifting the ban said the change > could > >> >> >> > >> harm > >> >> >> > >> the unit cohesion that is essential to effective military > >> >> >> > >> operations, > >> >> >> > >> particularly in combat, and deter some Americans from > enlisting > >> >> >> > >> or > >> >> >> > >> pursuing a career in the military. They noted that despite > >> >> >> > >> support > >> >> >> > >> for > >> >> >> > >> repealing the ban from Defense > >> > >> ... > >> > >> read more »- Hide quoted text - > >> > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > -- > > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > > > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > > > -- > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. > Have a great day, > Tommy > > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > -- Mark M. 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