Tommy, you are still an idiot. Now that you have DADT repealed, what
you have is the original UCMJ as the law of the military and that says
that all gays are gone period, no question no option if found out. You
are actually worse off than you were before.
As to the Muslims, if they are silent then the options are that they
agree with the violent extremists, they are afraid of the violent
extremists or they don't care about the violent extremists. Choose
one. When the Muslims protest the violent extremists, then you have
more choices.
The only Democrats who are not Marxists or Alinskyists are the Blue Dog
Democrats and they have no power in the Democratic party and are ignored
and called traitors to the party. Ergo, Democrats are Marxists.
How is the president not a Marxist. If it walks like a duck, looks like
a duck and sounds like a duck, then eureka you got yourself a canard.
Do not combine civil marriage equality to civil unions or marriages -
two different things - support civil unions and the rights - just do not
call it marriage. what you are calling for civil rights equality for
gays is hate crime laws which by definition are "special rights". Have
only opposed DADT repeal when you got something to replace it that
offers gays some rights. Repealing DADT does not do that until you have
the UCMJ section replaced with plans on how to do it. That has not
happened yet. What is UAFA and what is ENDA. You lump the group
together when there are discussions about the negatives. No
discussions, then you have to assume that they all agree. That is not
diversity. Did not say that all gays are flamboyant exhibitionists.
Just do not want flamboyant exhibitionists as the poster boys for the
group which is what you have now. Also do not want flamboyant
exhibitionists in the military and neither does the military.
You are blind, deaf and dumb about anything other than gay matters.
When you lump gay legislation with illegal immigration legislation with
Fat Teddy statue and study group and other memorials as well as special
funding for union buddies and waivers for all kinds of other things in
one piece of legislation you have a bill that nobody has read. Of
course any thinking person would reject that. What you have then is yet
another example of passing bills to see what is in them and then
claiming that it was not supposed to work that way. What you also have
is every supporter of any part of the bill is going to claim, just as
you mistakenly did, that anyone who does not support the bill is
homophobic of immigrationphobic or Fat Teddy-phobic when what they are
against may, repeat may, be one of the above or may as Keith and I have
claimed all along that if you have not read the bill then you have no
business voting for it. Not reading the bill does not give you the
right to claim that it does not do what I expected it to do. You are
supposed to know that before you vote. That is what you were sent there
to do, to vote for those you represent after due consideration and
public airing of the bill. Due consideration was not in place for this
bill nor was it in place for Obamacare nor was it in place for the
latest bill creating another super agency to handling housing problems
as proposed by Bawney and Chris. Those who voted for these bill should
be horsewhipped.
On 12/22/2010 10:37 AM, Tommy News wrote:
Keith-
Here are just a few eamples of the hate, lies and smear you have
demonstrated in these groups.
You categorize all Muslims as violent extremists, which they are not.
You categorize all gays as flamboyant exhibitionists, which they are not.
You categorize all Democrats as Marxists, which they are not.
You call the President a "Marxist", which he is not.
You oppose DADT Repeal, Civil Marriage Equality, UAFA, and Civil
Rights equality for gays, ENDA, repeal of DOMA, etc. calling them
"special rights.", demonstrating your misguided homophobia again and
again.
There is diversity in every group, and lumping a whole group together
due to your prejudice against a few has negative consequences.
It is you who exhibit hatred, Islamophobia, homophobia, tunnel vision,
prejudice, and animus.
And no, Democrats are not Marxists, Socialists, or Communists as you
state over and over again.
Conservatives will not fix anything, they will simply return to the
failed Bush policies that caused this mess, and they have no
constructive plan other than grabbing power back and blocking the
President at every turn.
You show your hate and animus, Keith. You are your own enemy. Your
naive negativity is apalling. You are as bad as Rove, Rumsfeld and
Bush and Beck.
How you can cheer on the crazed and small-minded right wing extremists
is a puzzlement to me.
On 12/19/10, Keith In Tampa<[email protected]> wrote:
Tom,
As we have established, you cannot point to any example of where I have
demonsrated any hateful lie or smear. We all sit here, atwitter with
excitement and anticipation, for you to point to any post where I have done
so.
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Tommy News<[email protected]> wrote:
No, you stop your hate smears and lies, Little Keithie.
On 12/19/10, Keith In Tampa<[email protected]> wrote:
Stop the hate, smear and lies Lil Tommy!!
<Grin>!!
On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 11:27 PM, GregfromBoston
<[email protected]>wrote:
Like we told you a long time ago. Bring it up by itself and it will
pass
-------------------------
Yes we did.
Ready to move on Tom, or would you like a list of democrats who voted
against extending UI benefits, using your criteria?
On Dec 18, 11:20 pm, dick thompson<[email protected]> wrote:
You really are a dipsh*t. We told you long ago bring it up by
itself
and it will pass. They finally did and it passed. Doesn't matter
what else you say, that is what happened. Now to see that the rest
of
these bills continue getting voted down. None of them are worth
passing.
On 12/18/2010 10:02 PM, Tommy News wrote:
Wrong again.
What I saw was that 31 Republican Senators voted against DADT
repeal
based upon their stand alone misguided homophobia which has now
been
plainly exposed. We must now campaign to vote all 31 of them out of
office to get ENDA, UAFA, and AEB passed, and DOMA repealed. 2012,
Bring it on.
On 12/18/10, dick thompson<[email protected]> wrote:
Like we told you a long time ago. Bring it up by itself and it
will
pass. Instead you kept trying to blame the votes against the
Omnibus
earmark bill on the DADT alone. Someday you might learn
something
but
I kinda doubt it. Now maybe you will accept that some of the
votes
against the Omnibus krep bill were against something other than
DADT.
Although I doubt that too. You are far too wedded to blaming
anything
that goes against what you want as being homophobic alone.
Obviously
that is not so.
On 12/18/2010 09:43 PM, Tommy News wrote:
Victory! Senate Repeals �Don�t Ask, Don�t Tell�, Despite
31
Republican
No Votes and John McCain's Fillibuster Attempt. This is a long
overdue
victory for Civil Rights equality. Repeal of DOMA and Passige of
ENDA
and UAFA, and introduction of The American Equality Bill for
Civil
Rights are next.
Senate Repeals �Don�t Ask, Don�t Tell�
Drew Angerer/The New York Times
Senator Joseph I. Lieberman gave the thumbs up as Majority Leader
Harry Reid spoke at a press conference after the �don�t ask,
don�t
tell� vote.
By CARL HULSE
nk WASHINGTON � The Senate on Saturday voted to strike down the
ban
on
gay men and lesbians serving openly in the military, bringing to
a
close a 17-year struggle over a policy that forced thousands of
Americans from the ranks and caused others to keep secret their
sexual
orientation.
Clockwise from left, Senators Mark Udall, Joseph I. Lieberman,
Susan
Collins and Kirsten Gillibrand after a news conference on the
repeal
of �don�t ask, don�t tell.�
By a vote of 65 to 31, with eight Republicans joining Democrats,
the
Senate approved and sent to President Obama a repeal of the
Clinton-era law, known as �don�t ask, don�t tell,� a
policy
critics
said amounted to government-sanctioned discrimination that
treated
gay, lesbian and bisexual troops as second-class citizens.
Mr. Obama hailed the action, which fulfills his pledge to reverse
the
ban, and said it was �time to close this chapter in our
history.�
�As commander in chief, I am also absolutely convinced that
making
this change will only underscore the professionalism of our
troops
as
the best-led and best-trained fighting force the world has ever
known,� he said in a statement after the Senate, on a
preliminary
63-to-33 vote, beat back Republican efforts to block final action
on
the repeal bill.
The vote marked a historic moment that some equated with the end
of
racial segregation in the military.
It followed an exhaustive Pentagon review that determined the
policy
could be changed with only isolated disruptions to unit cohesion
and
retention, though members of combat units and the Marine Corps
expressed greater reservations about the shift. Congressional
action
was backed by Pentagon officials as a better alternative to a
court-ordered end.
Supporters of the repeal said it was long past time to abolish
what
they saw as an ill-advised practice that cost valuable personnel
and
forced troops to lie to serve their country.
�We righted a wrong,� said Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, the
independent from Connecticut and a leader of the effort to end
the
ban. �Today we�ve done justice.�
Before voting on the repeal, the Senate blocked a bill that would
have
created a path to citizenship for certain illegal immigrants who
came
to the United States at a young age, completed two years of
college
or
military service and met other requirements including passing a
criminal background check.
The 55-to-41 vote in favor of the citizenship bill was five votes
short of the number needed to clear the way for final passage of
what
is known as the Dream Act.
The outcome effectively kills it for this year, and its fate
beyond
that is uncertain since Republicans who will assume control of
the
House in January oppose the measure and are unlikely to bring it
to
a
vote.
The Senate then moved on to the military legislation, engaging in
an
emotional back and forth over the merits of the measure as
advocates
for repeal watched from galleries crowded with people interested
in
the fate of both the military and immigration measures.
�I don�t care who you love,� Senator Ron Wyden, Democrat of
Oregon,
said as the debate opened. �If you love this country enough to
risk
your life for it, you shouldn�t have to hide who you are.�
Mr. Wyden showed up for the Senate vote despite saying earlier
that
he
would be unable to do so because he would be undergoing final
tests
before his scheduled surgery for prostate cancer on Monday.
The vote came in the final days of the 111th Congress as
Democrats
sought to force through a final few priorities before they turn
over
control of the House of Representatives to the Republicans in
January
and see their clout in the Senate diminished.
It represented a significant victory for the White House,
Congressional advocates of lifting the ban and activists who have
pushed for years to end the Pentagon policy created in 1993 under
the
Clinton administration as a compromise effort to end the practice
of
barring gay men and lesbians entirely from military service.
Saying it represented an emotional moment for members of the gay
community nationwide, advocates who supported repeal of
�don�t
ask,
don�t tell� exchanged hugs outside the Senate chamber after
the
vote.
�Today�s vote means gay and lesbian service members posted
all
around
the world can stand taller knowing that �don�t ask, don�t
tell� will
soon be coming to an end,� said Aubrey Sarvis, an Army veteran
and
executive director for Servicemembers Legal Defense Network.
Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona and his party�s
presidential candidate in 2008, led the opposition to the repeal
and
said the vote was a sad day in history.
�I hope that when we pass this legislation that we will
understand
that we are doing great damage,� Mr. McCain said. �And we
could
possibly and probably, as the commandant of the Marine Corps
said,
and
as I have been told by literally thousands of members of the
military,
harm the battle effectiveness vital to the survival of our young
men
and women in the military.�
He and others opposed to lifting the ban said the change could
harm
the unit cohesion that is essential to effective military
operations,
particularly in combat, and deter some Americans from enlisting
or
pursuing a career in the military. They noted that despite
support
for
repealing the ban from Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates and Adm.
Mike
Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, other military
commanders have warned that changing the practice would prove
disruptive.
�This isn�t broke,� Senator James M. Inhofe, Republican of
Oklahoma,
said about the policy. �It is working very well.�
Other Republicans said that while the policy might need to be
changed
at some point, Congress should not do so when American troops are
fighting overseas.
Only a week ago, the effort to repeal the �don�t ask, don�t
tell�
policy seemed to be dead and in danger of fading for at least two
years with Republicans about to take control of the House. The
provision eliminating the ban was initially included in a broader
Pentagon policy bill, and Republican backers of repeal had
refused
to
join in cutting off a filibuster against the underlying bill
because
of objections over limits on debate of the measure.
In a last-ditch effort, Mr. Lieberman and Senator Susan Collins
of
Maine, a key Republican opponent of the ban, encouraged
Democratic
Congressional leaders to instead pursue a vote on simply
repealing
it.
The House passed the measure earlier in the week.
The repeal will not take effect for at least 60 days, and
probably
longer, while some other procedural steps are taken. In addition,
the
bill requires the defense secretary to determine that policies
are
in
place to carry out the repeal �consistent with military
standards
for
readiness, effectiveness, unit cohesion, and recruiting and
retention.�
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