How bout the OVERWHELMING number of democrats who made DADT necessary in the first place? Whole bunch still there.
Ya really wanna play the, its a republican thing, card mate? Cuz the hundreds, just became dems. On Dec 22, 10:51 am, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > Sure, why not. Also vote out all the Republicans in the house who > voted against repeal. Hundreds of them. > > On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Does the same go for the 26 Democratic members of the House that > > voted > > against DADT [repeal]?? > > -------------------------------- > > > Uh oh! > > > Tom? > > > On Dec 22, 10:27 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Does the same go for the 26 Democratic members of the House that voted > >> against DADT?? > > >> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > I disagree. > > >> > 31 Republican Senators voted against stand alone DADT repeal. They > >> > have now blatantly exposed their stand alone homophobia. John McCain, > >> > who attempted to filibuster DADT repeal, is the worst of the lot. We > >> > must now vote all 31 of them out of office. > > >> > On 12/18/10, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > Like we told you a long time ago. Bring it up by itself and it will > >> > > pass. Instead you kept trying to blame the votes against the Omnibus > >> > > earmark bill on the DADT alone. Someday you might learn something > >> > > but > >> > > I kinda doubt it. Now maybe you will accept that some of the votes > >> > > against the Omnibus krep bill were against something other than DADT. > >> > > Although I doubt that too. You are far too wedded to blaming anything > >> > > that goes against what you want as being homophobic alone. Obviously > >> > > that is not so. > > >> > > On 12/18/2010 09:43 PM, Tommy News wrote: > >> > >> Victory! Senate Repeals ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’, Despite 31 > >> > >> Republican > >> > >> No Votes and John McCain's Fillibuster Attempt. This is a long > >> > >> overdue > >> > >> victory for Civil Rights equality. Repeal of DOMA and Passige of ENDA > >> > >> and UAFA, and introduction of The American Equality Bill for Civil > >> > >> Rights are next. > > >> > >> Senate Repeals ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ > > >> > >> Drew Angerer/The New York Times > >> > >> Senator Joseph I. Lieberman gave the thumbs up as Majority Leader > >> > >> Harry Reid spoke at a press conference after the “don’t ask, don’t > >> > >> tell” vote. > > >> > >> By CARL HULSE > >> > >> nk WASHINGTON — The Senate on Saturday voted to strike down the ban > >> > >> on > >> > >> gay men and lesbians serving openly in the military, bringing to a > >> > >> close a 17-year struggle over a policy that forced thousands of > >> > >> Americans from the ranks and caused others to keep secret their > >> > >> sexual > >> > >> orientation. > > >> > >> Clockwise from left, Senators Mark Udall, Joseph I. Lieberman, Susan > >> > >> Collins and Kirsten Gillibrand after a news conference on the repeal > >> > >> of “don’t ask, don’t tell.” > > >> > >> By a vote of 65 to 31, with eight Republicans joining Democrats, the > >> > >> Senate approved and sent to President Obama a repeal of the > >> > >> Clinton-era law, known as “don’t ask, don’t tell,” a policy critics > >> > >> said amounted to government-sanctioned discrimination that treated > >> > >> gay, lesbian and bisexual troops as second-class citizens. > > >> > >> Mr. Obama hailed the action, which fulfills his pledge to reverse the > >> > >> ban, and said it was “time to close this chapter in our history.” > > >> > >> “As commander in chief, I am also absolutely convinced that making > >> > >> this change will only underscore the professionalism of our troops as > >> > >> the best-led and best-trained fighting force the world has ever > >> > >> known,” he said in a statement after the Senate, on a preliminary > >> > >> 63-to-33 vote, beat back Republican efforts to block final action on > >> > >> the repeal bill. > > >> > >> The vote marked a historic moment that some equated with the end of > >> > >> racial segregation in the military. > > >> > >> It followed an exhaustive Pentagon review that determined the policy > >> > >> could be changed with only isolated disruptions to unit cohesion and > >> > >> retention, though members of combat units and the Marine Corps > >> > >> expressed greater reservations about the shift. Congressional action > >> > >> was backed by Pentagon officials as a better alternative to a > >> > >> court-ordered end. > > >> > >> Supporters of the repeal said it was long past time to abolish what > >> > >> they saw as an ill-advised practice that cost valuable personnel and > >> > >> forced troops to lie to serve their country. > > >> > >> “We righted a wrong,” said Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, the > >> > >> independent from Connecticut and a leader of the effort to end the > >> > >> ban. “Today we’ve done justice.” > > >> > >> Before voting on the repeal, the Senate blocked a bill that would > >> > >> have > >> > >> created a path to citizenship for certain illegal immigrants who came > >> > >> to the United States at a young age, completed two years of college > >> > >> or > >> > >> military service and met other requirements including passing a > >> > >> criminal background check. > > >> > >> The 55-to-41 vote in favor of the citizenship bill was five votes > >> > >> short of the number needed to clear the way for final passage of what > >> > >> is known as the Dream Act. > > >> > >> The outcome effectively kills it for this year, and its fate beyond > >> > >> that is uncertain since Republicans who will assume control of the > >> > >> House in January oppose the measure and are unlikely to bring it to a > >> > >> vote. > > >> > >> The Senate then moved on to the military legislation, engaging in an > >> > >> emotional back and forth over the merits of the measure as advocates > >> > >> for repeal watched from galleries crowded with people interested in > >> > >> the fate of both the military and immigration measures. > > >> > >> “I don’t care who you love,” Senator Ron Wyden, Democrat of Oregon, > >> > >> said as the debate opened. “If you love this country enough to risk > >> > >> your life for it, you shouldn’t have to hide who you are.” > > >> > >> Mr. Wyden showed up for the Senate vote despite saying earlier that > >> > >> he > >> > >> would be unable to do so because he would be undergoing final tests > >> > >> before his scheduled surgery for prostate cancer on Monday. > > >> > >> The vote came in the final days of the 111th Congress as Democrats > >> > >> sought to force through a final few priorities before they turn over > >> > >> control of the House of Representatives to the Republicans in January > >> > >> and see their clout in the Senate diminished. > > >> > >> It represented a significant victory for the White House, > >> > >> Congressional advocates of lifting the ban and activists who have > >> > >> pushed for years to end the Pentagon policy created in 1993 under the > >> > >> Clinton administration as a compromise effort to end the practice of > >> > >> barring gay men and lesbians entirely from military service. > > >> > >> Saying it represented an emotional moment for members of the gay > >> > >> community nationwide, advocates who supported repeal of “don’t ask, > >> > >> don’t tell” exchanged hugs outside the Senate chamber after the vote. > > >> > >> “Today’s vote means gay and lesbian service members posted all around > >> > >> the world can stand taller knowing that ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ will > >> > >> soon be coming to an end,” said Aubrey Sarvis, an Army veteran and > >> > >> executive director for Servicemembers Legal Defense Network. > > >> > >> Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona and his party’s > >> > >> presidential candidate in 2008, led the opposition to the repeal and > >> > >> said the vote was a sad day in history. > > >> > >> “I hope that when we pass this legislation that we will understand > >> > >> that we are doing great damage,” Mr. McCain said. “And we could > >> > >> possibly and probably, as the commandant of the Marine Corps said, > >> > >> and > >> > >> as I have been told by literally thousands of members of the > >> > >> military, > >> > >> harm the battle effectiveness vital to the survival of our young men > >> > >> and women in the military.” > > >> > >> He and others opposed to lifting the ban said the change could harm > >> > >> the unit cohesion that is essential to effective military operations, > >> > >> particularly in combat, and deter some Americans from enlisting or > >> > >> pursuing a career in the military. They noted that despite support > >> > >> for > >> > >> repealing the ban from Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates and Adm. > >> > >> Mike > >> > >> Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, other military > >> > >> commanders have warned that changing the practice would prove > >> > >> disruptive. > > >> > >> “This isn’t broke,” Senator James M. Inhofe, Republican of Oklahoma, > >> > >> said about the policy. “It is working very well.” > > >> > >> Other Republicans said that while the policy might need to be changed > >> > >> at some point, Congress should not do so when American troops are > >> > >> fighting overseas. > > >> > >> Only a week ago, the effort to repeal the “don’t ask, don’t tell” > >> > >> policy seemed to be dead and in danger of fading for at least two > >> > >> years with Republicans about to take control of the House. The > >> > >> provision eliminating the ban was initially included in a broader > >> > >> Pentagon policy bill, and Republican backers of repeal had refused to > >> > >> join in cutting off a filibuster against the underlying bill because > >> > >> of objections over limits on debate of the measure. > > >> > >> In a last-ditch effort, Mr. Lieberman and Senator Susan Collins of > >> > >> Maine, a key Republican opponent of the ban, encouraged Democratic > >> > >> Congressional leaders to instead pursue a vote on simply repealing > >> > >> it. > >> > >> The House passed the measure earlier in the week. > > >> > >> The repeal will not take effect for at least 60 days, and probably > >> > >> longer, while some other procedural steps are taken. In addition, the > >> > >> bill requires the defense secretary to determine that policies are in > >> > >> place > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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