Markie Mark- I believe that it is you and Keith who have no idea how wrong YOU are.
On 12/22/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > Keith is on the road doing his job. Protecting the rights of individuals in > an international case. Funny thing that you always try to read between the > lines when he is quite literal in his scribblings. You have NO IDEA how > wrong you are. > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Markie Mark- >> >> Why are you defending Keith? >> >> Why not let him speak for himself? >> >> Why don't you speak for yourself? >> >> On 12/22/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >> > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> >> Keith- >> >> >> >> Here are just a few eamples of the hate, lies and smear you have >> >> demonstrated in these groups. >> >> >> >> You categorize all Muslims as violent extremists, which they are not. >> >> >> > >> > That is just not true... he simply says that all recent terrorists have >> been >> > Muslims... any proof to the contrary ??? I thought not. >> > >> > >> >> You categorize all gays as flamboyant exhibitionists, which they are >> not. >> >> >> > >> > No, he said it is a problem with the Pride Parades.. where the ones that >> get >> > the press are the perverts dressed in pantless chaps, or giving head on >> the >> > street, or or or... Photos of this have been posted... these are the >> people >> > that the media show as representing your cause. Just as all Muslims are >> not >> > terrorists all gays are not pride parade marchers that suck dick for the >> > crowd. >> > >> > >> >> You categorize all Democrats as Marxists, which they are not. >> >> >> > >> > He has never said "All" >> > >> > >> > >> >> You call the President a "Marxist", which he is not. >> >> You oppose DADT Repeal, Civil Marriage Equality, UAFA, and Civil >> >> Rights equality for gays, ENDA, repeal of DOMA, etc. calling them >> >> "special rights.", demonstrating your misguided homophobia again and >> >> again. >> >> There is diversity in every group, and lumping a whole group together >> >> due to your prejudice against a few has negative consequences. >> >> >> >> It is you who exhibit hatred, Islamophobia, homophobia, tunnel vision, >> >> prejudice, and animus. >> >> And no, Democrats are not Marxists, Socialists, or Communists as you >> >> state over and over again. >> >> >> >> Conservatives will not fix anything, they will simply return to the >> >> failed Bush policies that caused this mess, and they have no >> >> constructive plan other than grabbing power back and blocking the >> >> President at every turn. >> >> >> >> You show your hate and animus, Keith. You are your own enemy. Your >> >> naive negativity is apalling. You are as bad as Rove, Rumsfeld and >> >> Bush and Beck. >> >> >> >> How you can cheer on the crazed and small-minded right wing extremists >> >> is a puzzlement to me. >> >> >> >> On 12/19/10, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Tom, >> >> > >> >> > As we have established, you cannot point to any example of where I >> have >> >> > demonsrated any hateful lie or smear. We all sit here, atwitter >> >> > with >> >> > excitement and anticipation, for you to point to any post where I >> >> > have >> >> done >> >> > so. >> >> > >> >> > On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> No, you stop your hate smears and lies, Little Keithie. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 12/19/10, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > Stop the hate, smear and lies Lil Tommy!! >> >> >> > >> >> >> > <Grin>!! >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 11:27 PM, GregfromBoston >> >> >> > <[email protected]>wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Like we told you a long time ago. Bring it up by itself and it >> will >> >> >> >> pass >> >> >> >> ------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes we did. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ready to move on Tom, or would you like a list of democrats who >> >> >> >> voted >> >> >> >> against extending UI benefits, using your criteria? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Dec 18, 11:20 pm, dick thompson <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > You really are a dipsh*t. We told you long ago bring it up by >> >> >> >> > itself >> >> >> >> > and it will pass. They finally did and it passed. Doesn't >> >> matter >> >> >> >> > what else you say, that is what happened. Now to see that the >> >> rest >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> > these bills continue getting voted down. None of them are >> >> >> >> > worth >> >> >> >> > passing. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > On 12/18/2010 10:02 PM, Tommy News wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > Wrong again. >> >> >> >> > > What I saw was that 31 Republican Senators voted against DADT >> >> >> >> > > repeal >> >> >> >> > > based upon their stand alone misguided homophobia which has >> now >> >> >> >> > > been >> >> >> >> > > plainly exposed. We must now campaign to vote all 31 of them >> out >> >> of >> >> >> >> > > office to get ENDA, UAFA, and AEB passed, and DOMA repealed. >> >> 2012, >> >> >> >> > > Bring it on. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > On 12/18/10, dick thompson<[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> Like we told you a long time ago. Bring it up by itself and >> it >> >> >> will >> >> >> >> > >> pass. Instead you kept trying to blame the votes against >> >> >> >> > >> the >> >> >> Omnibus >> >> >> >> > >> earmark bill on the DADT alone. Someday you might learn >> >> >> >> > >> something >> >> >> >> but >> >> >> >> > >> I kinda doubt it. Now maybe you will accept that some of >> the >> >> >> votes >> >> >> >> > >> against the Omnibus krep bill were against something other >> than >> >> >> DADT. >> >> >> >> > >> Although I doubt that too. You are far too wedded to >> >> >> >> > >> blaming >> >> >> >> > >> anything >> >> >> >> > >> that goes against what you want as being homophobic alone. >> >> >> Obviously >> >> >> >> > >> that is not so. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> On 12/18/2010 09:43 PM, Tommy News wrote: >> >> >> >> > >>> Victory! Senate Repeals �Don�t Ask, Don�t Tell�, >> >> Despite >> >> >> 31 >> >> >> >> Republican >> >> >> >> > >>> No Votes and John McCain's Fillibuster Attempt. This is a >> long >> >> >> >> overdue >> >> >> >> > >>> victory for Civil Rights equality. Repeal of DOMA and >> Passige >> >> of >> >> >> >> > >>> ENDA >> >> >> >> > >>> and UAFA, and introduction of The American Equality Bill >> >> >> >> > >>> for >> >> >> >> > >>> Civil >> >> >> >> > >>> Rights are next. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >>> Senate Repeals �Don�t Ask, Don�t Tell� >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >>> Drew Angerer/The New York Times >> >> >> >> > >>> Senator Joseph I. Lieberman gave the thumbs up as Majority >> >> Leader >> >> >> >> > >>> Harry Reid spoke at a press conference after the �don�t >> >> ask, >> >> >> >> don�t >> >> >> >> > >>> tell� vote. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >>> By CARL HULSE >> >> >> >> > >>> nk WASHINGTON � The Senate on Saturday voted to strike >> down >> >> the >> >> >> >> > >>> ban >> >> >> >> on >> >> >> >> > >>> gay men and lesbians serving openly in the military, >> bringing >> >> to >> >> >> >> > >>> a >> >> >> >> > >>> close a 17-year struggle over a policy that forced >> >> >> >> > >>> thousands >> >> >> >> > >>> of >> >> >> >> > >>> Americans from the ranks and caused others to keep secret >> >> >> >> > >>> their >> >> >> >> sexual >> >> >> >> > >>> orientation. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >>> Clockwise from left, Senators Mark Udall, Joseph I. >> Lieberman, >> >> >> Susan >> >> >> >> > >>> Collins and Kirsten Gillibrand after a news conference on >> the >> >> >> repeal >> >> >> >> > >>> of �don�t ask, don�t tell.� >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >>> By a vote of 65 to 31, with eight Republicans joining >> >> Democrats, >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> > >>> Senate approved and sent to President Obama a repeal of the >> >> >> >> > >>> Clinton-era law, known as �don�t ask, don�t tell,� >> >> >> >> > >>> a >> >> >> policy >> >> >> >> critics >> >> >> >> > >>> said amounted to government-sanctioned discrimination that >> >> >> >> > >>> treated >> >> >> >> > >>> gay, lesbian and bisexual troops as second-class citizens. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >>> Mr. Obama hailed the action, which fulfills his pledge to >> >> reverse >> >> >> >> > >>> the >> >> >> >> > >>> ban, and said it was �time to close this chapter in our >> >> >> >> > >>> history.� >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >>> �As commander in chief, I am also absolutely convinced >> that >> >> >> making >> >> >> >> > >>> this change will only underscore the professionalism of our >> >> >> >> > >>> troops >> >> >> >> > >>> as >> >> >> >> > >>> the best-led and best-trained fighting force the world has >> >> >> >> > >>> ever >> >> >> >> > >>> known,� he said in a statement after the Senate, on a >> >> >> preliminary >> >> >> >> > >>> 63-to-33 vote, beat back Republican efforts to block final >> >> action >> >> >> on >> >> >> >> > >>> the repeal bill. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >>> The vote marked a historic moment that some equated with >> >> >> >> > >>> the >> >> end >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> > >>> racial segregation in the military. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >>> It followed an exhaustive Pentagon review that determined >> the >> >> >> policy >> >> >> >> > >>> could be changed with only isolated disruptions to unit >> >> cohesion >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> > >>> retention, though members of combat units and the Marine >> Corps >> >> >> >> > >>> expressed greater reservations about the shift. >> Congressional >> >> >> action >> >> >> >> > >>> was backed by Pentagon officials as a better alternative to >> a >> >> >> >> > >>> court-ordered end. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >>> Supporters of the repeal said it was long past time to >> abolish >> >> >> what >> >> >> >> > >>> they saw as an ill-advised practice that cost valuable >> >> personnel >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> > >>> forced troops to lie to serve their country. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >>> �We righted a wrong,� said Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, >> >> >> >> > >>> the >> >> >> >> > >>> independent from Connecticut and a leader of the effort to >> end >> >> >> >> > >>> the >> >> >> >> > >>> ban. �Today we�ve done justice.� >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >>> Before voting on the repeal, the Senate blocked a bill that >> >> would >> >> >> >> have >> >> >> >> > >>> created a path to citizenship for certain illegal >> >> >> >> > >>> immigrants >> >> who >> >> >> >> > >>> came >> >> >> >> > >>> to the United States at a young age, completed two years of >> >> >> college >> >> >> >> or >> >> >> >> > >>> military service and met other requirements including >> passing >> >> >> >> > >>> a >> >> >> >> > >>> criminal background check. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >>> The 55-to-41 vote in favor of the citizenship bill was five >> >> votes >> >> >> >> > >>> short of the number needed to clear the way for final >> passage >> >> of >> >> >> >> > >>> what >> >> >> >> > >>> is known as the Dream Act. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >>> The outcome effectively kills it for this year, and its >> >> >> >> > >>> fate >> >> >> beyond >> >> >> >> > >>> that is uncertain since Republicans who will assume control >> of >> >> >> >> > >>> the >> >> >> >> > >>> House in January oppose the measure and are unlikely to >> bring >> >> it >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> > >>> a >> >> >> >> > >>> vote. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >>> The Senate then moved on to the military legislation, >> engaging >> >> in >> >> >> an >> >> >> >> > >>> emotional back and forth over the merits of the measure as >> >> >> advocates >> >> >> >> > >>> for repeal watched from galleries crowded with people >> >> interested >> >> >> in >> >> >> >> > >>> the fate of both the military and immigration measures. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >>> �I don�t care who you love,� Senator Ron Wyden, >> Democrat >> >> of >> >> >> >> Oregon, >> >> >> >> > >>> said as the debate opened. �If you love this country >> enough >> >> to >> >> >> >> > >>> risk >> >> >> >> > >>> your life for it, you shouldn�t have to hide who you >> are.� >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >>> Mr. Wyden showed up for the Senate vote despite saying >> earlier >> >> >> that >> >> >> >> he >> >> >> >> > >>> would be unable to do so because he would be undergoing >> final >> >> >> tests >> >> >> >> > >>> before his scheduled surgery for prostate cancer on Monday. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >>> The vote came in the final days of the 111th Congress as >> >> >> >> > >>> Democrats >> >> >> >> > >>> sought to force through a final few priorities before they >> >> >> >> > >>> turn >> >> >> over >> >> >> >> > >>> control of the House of Representatives to the Republicans >> in >> >> >> >> > >>> January >> >> >> >> > >>> and see their clout in the Senate diminished. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >>> It represented a significant victory for the White House, >> >> >> >> > >>> Congressional advocates of lifting the ban and activists >> >> >> >> > >>> who >> >> have >> >> >> >> > >>> pushed for years to end the Pentagon policy created in 1993 >> >> under >> >> >> >> > >>> the >> >> >> >> > >>> Clinton administration as a compromise effort to end the >> >> practice >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> > >>> barring gay men and lesbians entirely from military >> >> >> >> > >>> service. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >>> Saying it represented an emotional moment for members of >> >> >> >> > >>> the >> >> gay >> >> >> >> > >>> community nationwide, advocates who supported repeal of >> >> >> >> > >>> �don�t >> >> >> >> ask, >> >> >> >> > >>> don�t tell� exchanged hugs outside the Senate chamber >> >> >> >> > >>> after >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> vote. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >>> �Today�s vote means gay and lesbian service members >> posted >> >> >> >> > >>> all >> >> >> >> around >> >> >> >> > >>> the world can stand taller knowing that �don�t ask, >> >> >> >> > >>> don�t >> >> >> >> tell� will >> >> >> >> > >>> soon be coming to an end,� said Aubrey Sarvis, an Army >> >> veteran >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> > >>> executive director for Servicemembers Legal Defense >> >> >> >> > >>> Network. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >>> Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona and his >> >> >> >> > >>> party�s >> >> >> >> > >>> presidential candidate in 2008, led the opposition to the >> >> repeal >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> > >>> said the vote was a sad day in history. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >>> �I hope that when we pass this legislation that we will >> >> >> understand >> >> >> >> > >>> that we are doing great damage,� Mr. McCain said. �And >> we >> >> >> could >> >> >> >> > >>> possibly and probably, as the commandant of the Marine >> >> >> >> > >>> Corps >> >> >> >> > >>> said, >> >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> > >>> as I have been told by literally thousands of members of >> >> >> >> > >>> the >> >> >> >> military, >> >> >> >> > >>> harm the battle effectiveness vital to the survival of our >> >> young >> >> >> men >> >> >> >> > >>> and women in the military.� >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >>> He and others opposed to lifting the ban said the change >> could >> >> >> harm >> >> >> >> > >>> the unit cohesion that is essential to effective military >> >> >> >> > >>> operations, >> >> >> >> > >>> particularly in combat, and deter some Americans from >> >> >> >> > >>> enlisting >> >> >> >> > >>> or >> >> >> >> > >>> pursuing a career in the military. They noted that despite >> >> >> >> > >>> support >> >> >> >> for >> >> >> >> > >>> repealing the ban from Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates >> >> >> >> > >>> and >> >> Adm. >> >> >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> > >>> Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, other >> military >> >> >> >> > >>> commanders have warned that changing the practice would >> prove >> >> >> >> > >>> disruptive. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >>> �This isn�t broke,� Senator James M. Inhofe, >> Republican >> >> of >> >> >> >> Oklahoma, >> >> >> >> > >>> said about the policy. �It is working very well.� >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >>> Other Republicans said that while the policy might need to >> be >> >> >> >> > >>> changed >> >> >> >> > >>> at some point, Congress should not do so when American >> troops >> >> are >> >> >> >> > >>> fighting overseas. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >>> Only a week ago, the effort to repeal the �don�t ask, >> >> don�t >> >> >> >> tell� >> >> >> >> > >>> policy seemed to be dead and in danger of fading for at >> least >> >> two >> >> >> >> > >>> years with Republicans about to take control of the House. >> The >> >> >> >> > >>> provision eliminating the ban was initially included in a >> >> broader >> >> >> >> > >>> Pentagon policy bill, and Republican backers of repeal had >> >> >> >> > >>> refused >> >> >> >> > >>> to >> >> >> >> > >>> join in cutting off a filibuster against the underlying >> >> >> >> > >>> bill >> >> >> because >> >> >> >> > >>> of objections over limits on debate of the measure. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >>> In a last-ditch effort, Mr. Lieberman and Senator Susan >> >> >> >> > >>> Collins >> >> >> >> > >>> of >> >> >> >> > >>> Maine, a key Republican opponent of the ban, encouraged >> >> >> >> > >>> Democratic >> >> >> >> > >>> Congressional leaders to instead pursue a vote on simply >> >> >> >> > >>> repealing >> >> >> >> it. >> >> >> >> > >>> The House passed the measure earlier in the week. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >>> The repeal will not take effect for at least 60 days, and >> >> >> >> > >>> probably >> >> >> >> > >>> longer, while some other procedural steps are taken. In >> >> addition, >> >> >> >> > >>> the >> >> >> >> > >>> bill requires the defense secretary to determine that >> policies >> >> >> >> > >>> are >> >> >> >> > >>> in >> >> >> >> > >>> place to carry out the repeal �consistent with military >> >> >> standards >> >> >> >> for >> >> >> >> > >>> readiness, effectiveness, unit cohesion, and recruiting and >> >> >> >> > >>> retention.� >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >>> Multimedia >> >> >> >> > >>> Interactive Graphic >> >> >> >> > >>> How the Senate Voted >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >>> Timeline >> >> >> >> > >>> Congressional Action on "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >>> Blogs >> >> >> >> > >>> The Caucus >> >> >> >> > >>> The latest on President Obama, the new Congress and other >> news >> >> >> from >> >> >> >> > >>> Washington and around the nation. Join the discussion. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >>> FiveThirtyEight: Nate Silver's Political Calculus >> >> >> >> > >>> More Politics News >> >> >> >> > >>> �It is going to take some time,� Ms. Collins said. >> >> >> >> > >>> �It >> >> >> >> > >>> is >> >> >> not >> >> >> >> going to >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > ... >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > read more »- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > - Show quoted text - >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> >> >> >> For options & help see >> http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> * Visit our other community at >> >> >> >> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ <http://www.politicalforum.com/>< >> >> >> http://www.politicalforum.com/> >> >> >> >> * It's active and moderated. 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