Tommy, Congress gave the Military, Secretary of Defense and the President the power to repeal it... they did not repeal it. READ the text that Obama signed.
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > DADT will be history within a year. It has been repealed. > > > On 12/22/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > Tommy, > > > > Why are you using the past tense when speaking of DADT.... It is still in > > force. > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> I do not think DADT was necessary at all. > >> Colin Powell and the Republicans did, and President Clinton agreed to > >> the DADT "compromise", which he later said was a mistake. > >> > >> On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > WHY was DADT necessary Tommy? > >> > > >> > On Dec 22, 11:07 am, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Greg- > >> >> > >> >> DADT was a compromise brokered by Republican Colin Powell, who > >> >> convinced President Clinton it was the best way forward. Obviously, > >> >> the misguided policy failed, ruining thousands of lives and careers, > >> >> and it has now been repealed. > >> >> Puting the blame on Democrats does not pass muster. Your twisted > >> >> pretzel glue logic will not work. > >> >> > >> >> On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > How bout the OVERWHELMING number of democrats who made DADT > necessary > >> >> > in the first place? Whole bunch still there. > >> >> > >> >> > Ya really wanna play the, its a republican thing, card mate? Cuz > the > >> >> > hundreds, just became dems. > >> >> > >> >> > On Dec 22, 10:51 am, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> Sure, why not. Also vote out all the Republicans in the house who > >> >> >> voted against repeal. Hundreds of them. > >> >> > >> >> >> On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >> > Does the same go for the 26 Democratic members of the House that > >> >> >> > voted > >> >> >> > against DADT [repeal]?? > >> >> >> > -------------------------------- > >> >> > >> >> >> > Uh oh! > >> >> > >> >> >> > Tom? > >> >> > >> >> >> > On Dec 22, 10:27 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> Does the same go for the 26 Democratic members of the House > that > >> >> >> >> voted > >> >> >> >> against DADT?? > >> >> > >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Tommy News < > [email protected] > >> > > >> >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > I disagree. > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > 31 Republican Senators voted against stand alone DADT repeal. > >> They > >> >> >> >> > have now blatantly exposed their stand alone homophobia. John > >> >> >> >> > McCain, > >> >> >> >> > who attempted to filibuster DADT repeal, is the worst of the > >> lot. > >> >> >> >> > We > >> >> >> >> > must now vote all 31 of them out of office. > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > On 12/18/10, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > Like we told you a long time ago. Bring it up by itself > and > >> it > >> >> >> >> > > will > >> >> >> >> > > pass. Instead you kept trying to blame the votes against > the > >> >> >> >> > > Omnibus > >> >> >> >> > > earmark bill on the DADT alone. Someday you might learn > >> >> >> >> > > something > >> >> >> >> > > but > >> >> >> >> > > I kinda doubt it. Now maybe you will accept that some of > >> >> >> >> > > the > >> >> >> >> > > votes > >> >> >> >> > > against the Omnibus krep bill were against something other > >> than > >> >> >> >> > > DADT. > >> >> >> >> > > Although I doubt that too. You are far too wedded to > blaming > >> >> >> >> > > anything > >> >> >> >> > > that goes against what you want as being homophobic alone. > >> >> >> >> > > Obviously > >> >> >> >> > > that is not so. > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > On 12/18/2010 09:43 PM, Tommy News wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> Victory! Senate Repeals ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’, Despite > 31 > >> >> >> >> > >> Republican > >> >> >> >> > >> No Votes and John McCain's Fillibuster Attempt. This is a > >> long > >> >> >> >> > >> overdue > >> >> >> >> > >> victory for Civil Rights equality. Repeal of DOMA and > >> >> >> >> > >> Passige > >> >> >> >> > >> of > >> >> >> >> > >> ENDA > >> >> >> >> > >> and UAFA, and introduction of The American Equality Bill > for > >> >> >> >> > >> Civil > >> >> >> >> > >> Rights are next. > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> Senate Repeals ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> Drew Angerer/The New York Times > >> >> >> >> > >> Senator Joseph I. Lieberman gave the thumbs up as Majority > >> >> >> >> > >> Leader > >> >> >> >> > >> Harry Reid spoke at a press conference after the “don’t > ask, > >> >> >> >> > >> don’t > >> >> >> >> > >> tell” vote. > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> By CARL HULSE > >> >> >> >> > >> nk WASHINGTON — The Senate on Saturday voted to strike > down > >> the > >> >> >> >> > >> ban > >> >> >> >> > >> on > >> >> >> >> > >> gay men and lesbians serving openly in the military, > >> >> >> >> > >> bringing > >> >> >> >> > >> to a > >> >> >> >> > >> close a 17-year struggle over a policy that forced > thousands > >> of > >> >> >> >> > >> Americans from the ranks and caused others to keep secret > >> their > >> >> >> >> > >> sexual > >> >> >> >> > >> orientation. > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> Clockwise from left, Senators Mark Udall, Joseph I. > >> Lieberman, > >> >> >> >> > >> Susan > >> >> >> >> > >> Collins and Kirsten Gillibrand after a news conference on > >> >> >> >> > >> the > >> >> >> >> > >> repeal > >> >> >> >> > >> of “don’t ask, don’t tell.” > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> By a vote of 65 to 31, with eight Republicans joining > >> >> >> >> > >> Democrats, > >> >> >> >> > >> the > >> >> >> >> > >> Senate approved and sent to President Obama a repeal of > the > >> >> >> >> > >> Clinton-era law, known as “don’t ask, don’t tell,” a > policy > >> >> >> >> > >> critics > >> >> >> >> > >> said amounted to government-sanctioned discrimination that > >> >> >> >> > >> treated > >> >> >> >> > >> gay, lesbian and bisexual troops as second-class citizens. > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> Mr. Obama hailed the action, which fulfills his pledge to > >> >> >> >> > >> reverse > >> >> >> >> > >> the > >> >> >> >> > >> ban, and said it was “time to close this chapter in our > >> >> >> >> > >> history.” > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> “As commander in chief, I am also absolutely convinced > that > >> >> >> >> > >> making > >> >> >> >> > >> this change will only underscore the professionalism of > our > >> >> >> >> > >> troops > >> >> >> >> > >> as > >> >> >> >> > >> the best-led and best-trained fighting force the world has > >> ever > >> >> >> >> > >> known,” he said in a statement after the Senate, on a > >> >> >> >> > >> preliminary > >> >> >> >> > >> 63-to-33 vote, beat back Republican efforts to block final > >> >> >> >> > >> action > >> >> >> >> > >> on > >> >> >> >> > >> the repeal bill. > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> The vote marked a historic moment that some equated with > the > >> >> >> >> > >> end > >> >> >> >> > >> of > >> >> >> >> > >> racial segregation in the military. > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> It followed an exhaustive Pentagon review that determined > >> >> >> >> > >> the > >> >> >> >> > >> policy > >> >> >> >> > >> could be changed with only isolated disruptions to unit > >> >> >> >> > >> cohesion > >> >> >> >> > >> and > >> >> >> >> > >> retention, though members of combat units and the Marine > >> Corps > >> >> >> >> > >> expressed greater reservations about the shift. > >> >> >> >> > >> Congressional > >> >> >> >> > >> action > >> >> >> >> > >> was backed by Pentagon officials as a better alternative > to > >> >> >> >> > >> a > >> >> >> >> > >> court-ordered end. > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> Supporters of the repeal said it was long past time to > >> abolish > >> >> >> >> > >> what > >> >> >> >> > >> they saw as an ill-advised practice that cost valuable > >> >> >> >> > >> personnel > >> >> >> >> > >> and > >> >> >> >> > >> forced troops to lie to serve their country. > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> “We righted a wrong,” said Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, > the > >> >> >> >> > >> independent from Connecticut and a leader of the effort to > >> end > >> >> >> >> > >> the > >> >> >> >> > >> ban. “Today we’ve done justice.” > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> Before voting on the repeal, the Senate blocked a bill > that > >> >> >> >> > >> would > >> >> >> >> > >> have > >> >> >> >> > >> created a path to citizenship for certain illegal > immigrants > >> >> >> >> > >> who > >> >> >> >> > >> came > >> >> >> >> > >> to the United States at a young age, completed two years > of > >> >> >> >> > >> college > >> >> >> >> > >> or > >> >> >> >> > >> military service and met other requirements including > >> >> >> >> > >> passing > >> a > >> >> >> >> > >> criminal background check. > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> The 55-to-41 vote in favor of the citizenship bill was > five > >> >> >> >> > >> votes > >> >> >> >> > >> short of the number needed to clear the way for final > >> >> >> >> > >> passage > >> >> >> >> > >> of > >> >> >> >> > >> what > >> >> >> >> > >> is known as the Dream Act. > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> The outcome effectively kills it for this year, and its > fate > >> >> >> >> > >> beyond > >> >> >> >> > >> that is uncertain since Republicans who will assume > control > >> of > >> >> >> >> > >> the > >> >> >> >> > >> House in January oppose the measure and are unlikely to > >> >> >> >> > >> bring > >> >> >> >> > >> it > >> >> >> >> > >> to a > >> >> >> >> > >> vote. > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> The Senate then moved on to the military legislation, > >> engaging > >> >> >> >> > >> in > >> >> >> >> > >> an > >> >> >> >> > >> emotional back and forth over the merits of the measure as > >> >> >> >> > >> advocates > >> >> >> >> > >> for repeal watched from galleries crowded with people > >> >> >> >> > >> interested > >> >> >> >> > >> in > >> >> >> >> > >> the fate of both the military and immigration measures. > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> “I don’t care who you love,” Senator Ron Wyden, Democrat > of > >> >> >> >> > >> Oregon, > >> >> >> >> > >> said as the debate opened. “If you love this country > enough > >> to > >> >> >> >> > >> risk > >> >> >> >> > >> your life for it, you shouldn’t have to hide who you are.” > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> Mr. Wyden showed up for the Senate vote despite saying > >> earlier > >> >> >> >> > >> that > >> >> >> >> > >> he > >> >> >> >> > >> would be unable to do so because he would be undergoing > >> >> >> >> > >> final > >> >> >> >> > >> tests > >> >> >> >> > >> before his scheduled surgery for prostate cancer on > Monday. > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> The vote came in the final days of the 111th Congress as > >> >> >> >> > >> Democrats > >> >> >> >> > >> sought to force through a final few priorities before they > >> turn > >> >> >> >> > >> over > >> >> >> >> > >> control of the House of Representatives to the Republicans > >> >> >> >> > >> in > >> >> >> >> > >> January > >> >> >> >> > >> and see their clout in the Senate diminished. > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> It represented a significant victory for the White House, > >> >> >> >> > >> Congressional advocates of lifting the ban and activists > who > >> >> >> >> > >> have > >> >> >> >> > >> pushed for years to end the Pentagon policy created in > 1993 > >> >> >> >> > >> under > >> >> >> >> > >> the > >> >> >> >> > >> Clinton administration as a compromise effort to end the > >> >> >> >> > >> practice > >> >> >> >> > >> of > >> >> >> >> > >> barring gay men and lesbians entirely from military > service. > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> Saying it represented an emotional moment for members of > the > >> >> >> >> > >> gay > >> >> >> >> > >> community nationwide, advocates who supported repeal of > >> “don’t > >> >> >> >> > >> ask, > >> >> >> >> > >> don’t tell” exchanged hugs outside the Senate chamber > after > >> the > >> >> >> >> > >> vote. > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> “Today’s vote means gay and lesbian service members posted > >> all > >> >> >> >> > >> around > >> >> >> >> > >> the world can stand taller knowing that ‘don’t ask, don’t > >> tell’ > >> >> >> >> > >> will > >> >> >> >> > >> soon be coming to an end,” said Aubrey Sarvis, an Army > >> veteran > >> >> >> >> > >> and > >> >> >> >> > >> executive director for Servicemembers Legal Defense > Network. > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona and his party’s > >> >> >> >> > >> presidential candidate in 2008, led the opposition to the > >> >> >> >> > >> repeal > >> >> >> >> > >> and > >> >> >> >> > >> said the vote was a sad day in history. > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> “I hope that when we pass this legislation that we will > >> >> >> >> > >> understand > >> >> >> >> > >> that we are doing great damage,” Mr. McCain said. “And we > >> could > >> >> >> >> > >> possibly and probably, as the commandant of the Marine > Corps > >> >> >> >> > >> said, > >> >> >> >> > >> and > >> >> >> >> > >> as I have been told by literally thousands of members of > the > >> >> >> >> > >> military, > >> >> >> >> > >> harm the battle effectiveness vital to the survival of our > >> >> >> >> > >> young > >> >> >> >> > >> men > >> >> >> >> > >> and women in the military.” > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> He and others opposed to lifting the ban said the change > >> could > >> >> >> >> > >> harm > >> >> >> >> > >> the unit cohesion that is essential to effective military > >> >> >> >> > >> operations, > >> >> >> >> > >> particularly in combat, and deter some Americans from > >> enlisting > >> >> >> >> > >> or > >> >> >> >> > >> pursuing a career in the military. They noted that despite > >> >> >> >> > >> support > >> >> >> >> > >> for > >> >> >> >> > >> repealing the ban from Defense > >> >> > >> >> ... > >> >> > >> >> read more »- Hide quoted text - > >> >> > >> >> - Show quoted text - > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > >> > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > >> > > >> > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > >> > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > >> > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. > >> Have a great day, > >> Tommy > >> > >> -- > >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > >> > >> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > >> * It's active and moderated. 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