Greg, Tommy does not care about anything that is not a "talking" point. Facts and the history and reasons behind it are of little or no concern to him.
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:31 AM, GregfromBoston <[email protected]>wrote: > Thats nice. > > Clinton promised to allow gays to serve in the military before he was > president and before he ever met Colin Powell. > > THEN the democrats veto proofed the ban. > > DADT was a CAMPAIGN promise, and the best he could do. His EO > overrode DEMOCRATS! > > On Dec 22, 11:27 am, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > > Wrong. > > > > I have a personal signed letter from Colin Powell which he wrote to me > > stating that he was working out a "Compromise" in 1993 as proof. > > > > On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > tom, it was necessary because the DEMOCRAT congress had just > > > recodified the BAN on gays in the military - VETO PROOF. > > > > > And your bit about Powell and republicans convincing Clinton is a heap > > > of steaming shit. Clinton CAMPAIGNED on it!!! > > > > > On Dec 22, 11:14 am, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> I do not think DADT was necessary at all. > > >> Colin Powell and the Republicans did, and President Clinton agreed to > > >> the DADT "compromise", which he later said was a mistake. > > > > >> On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > WHY was DADT necessary Tommy? > > > > >> > On Dec 22, 11:07 am, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> Greg- > > > > >> >> DADT was a compromise brokered by Republican Colin Powell, who > > >> >> convinced President Clinton it was the best way forward. Obviously, > > >> >> the misguided policy failed, ruining thousands of lives and > careers, > > >> >> and it has now been repealed. > > >> >> Puting the blame on Democrats does not pass muster. Your twisted > > >> >> pretzel glue logic will not work. > > > > >> >> On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> >> > How bout the OVERWHELMING number of democrats who made DADT > necessary > > >> >> > in the first place? Whole bunch still there. > > > > >> >> > Ya really wanna play the, its a republican thing, card mate? Cuz > the > > >> >> > hundreds, just became dems. > > > > >> >> > On Dec 22, 10:51 am, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> >> Sure, why not. Also vote out all the Republicans in the house > who > > >> >> >> voted against repeal. Hundreds of them. > > > > >> >> >> On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> >> >> > Does the same go for the 26 Democratic members of the House > that > > >> >> >> > voted > > >> >> >> > against DADT [repeal]?? > > >> >> >> > -------------------------------- > > > > >> >> >> > Uh oh! > > > > >> >> >> > Tom? > > > > >> >> >> > On Dec 22, 10:27 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> >> >> Does the same go for the 26 Democratic members of the House > that > > >> >> >> >> voted > > >> >> >> >> against DADT?? > > > > >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Tommy News > > >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> > > >> >> >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >> >> > I disagree. > > > > >> >> >> >> > 31 Republican Senators voted against stand alone DADT > repeal. > > >> >> >> >> > They > > >> >> >> >> > have now blatantly exposed their stand alone homophobia. > John > > >> >> >> >> > McCain, > > >> >> >> >> > who attempted to filibuster DADT repeal, is the worst of > the > > >> >> >> >> > lot. > > >> >> >> >> > We > > >> >> >> >> > must now vote all 31 of them out of office. > > > > >> >> >> >> > On 12/18/10, dick thompson <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >> >> >> >> > > Like we told you a long time ago. Bring it up by itself > and > > >> >> >> >> > > it > > >> >> >> >> > > will > > >> >> >> >> > > pass. Instead you kept trying to blame the votes against > the > > >> >> >> >> > > Omnibus > > >> >> >> >> > > earmark bill on the DADT alone. Someday you might learn > > >> >> >> >> > > something > > >> >> >> >> > > but > > >> >> >> >> > > I kinda doubt it. Now maybe you will accept that some > of > > >> >> >> >> > > the > > >> >> >> >> > > votes > > >> >> >> >> > > against the Omnibus krep bill were against something > other > > >> >> >> >> > > than > > >> >> >> >> > > DADT. > > >> >> >> >> > > Although I doubt that too. You are far too wedded to > blaming > > >> >> >> >> > > anything > > >> >> >> >> > > that goes against what you want as being homophobic > alone. > > >> >> >> >> > > Obviously > > >> >> >> >> > > that is not so. > > > > >> >> >> >> > > On 12/18/2010 09:43 PM, Tommy News wrote: > > >> >> >> >> > >> Victory! Senate Repeals ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’, Despite > 31 > > >> >> >> >> > >> Republican > > >> >> >> >> > >> No Votes and John McCain's Fillibuster Attempt. This is > a > > >> >> >> >> > >> long > > >> >> >> >> > >> overdue > > >> >> >> >> > >> victory for Civil Rights equality. Repeal of DOMA and > > >> >> >> >> > >> Passige > > >> >> >> >> > >> of > > >> >> >> >> > >> ENDA > > >> >> >> >> > >> and UAFA, and introduction of The American Equality Bill > for > > >> >> >> >> > >> Civil > > >> >> >> >> > >> Rights are next. > > > > >> >> >> >> > >> Senate Repeals ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ > > > > >> >> >> >> > >> Drew Angerer/The New York Times > > >> >> >> >> > >> Senator Joseph I. Lieberman gave the thumbs up as > Majority > > >> >> >> >> > >> Leader > > >> >> >> >> > >> Harry Reid spoke at a press conference after the “don’t > ask, > > >> >> >> >> > >> don’t > > >> >> >> >> > >> tell” vote. > > > > >> >> >> >> > >> By CARL HULSE > > >> >> >> >> > >> nk WASHINGTON — The Senate on Saturday voted to strike > down > > >> >> >> >> > >> the > > >> >> >> >> > >> ban > > >> >> >> >> > >> on > > >> >> >> >> > >> gay men and lesbians serving openly in the military, > > >> >> >> >> > >> bringing > > >> >> >> >> > >> to a > > >> >> >> >> > >> close a 17-year struggle over a policy that forced > thousands > > >> >> >> >> > >> of > > >> >> >> >> > >> Americans from the ranks and caused others to keep > secret > > >> >> >> >> > >> their > > >> >> >> >> > >> sexual > > >> >> >> >> > >> orientation. > > > > >> >> >> >> > >> Clockwise from left, Senators Mark Udall, Joseph I. > > >> >> >> >> > >> Lieberman, > > >> >> >> >> > >> Susan > > >> >> >> >> > >> Collins and Kirsten Gillibrand after a news conference > on > > >> >> >> >> > >> the > > >> >> >> >> > >> repeal > > >> >> >> >> > >> of “don’t ask, don’t tell.” > > > > >> >> >> >> > >> By a vote of 65 to 31, with eight Republicans joining > > >> >> >> >> > >> Democrats, > > >> >> >> >> > >> the > > >> >> >> >> > >> Senate approved and sent to President Obama a repeal of > the > > >> >> >> >> > >> Clinton-era law, known as “don’t ask, don’t tell,” a > policy > > >> >> >> >> > >> critics > > >> >> >> >> > >> said amounted to government-sanctioned discrimination > that > > >> >> >> >> > >> treated > > >> >> >> >> > >> gay, lesbian and bisexual troops as second-class > citizens. > > > > >> >> >> >> > >> Mr. Obama hailed the action, which fulfills his pledge > to > > >> >> >> >> > >> reverse > > >> >> >> >> > >> the > > >> >> >> >> > >> ban, and said it was “time to close this chapter in our > > >> >> >> >> > >> history.” > > > > >> >> >> >> > >> “As commander in chief, I am also absolutely convinced > that > > >> >> >> >> > >> making > > >> >> >> >> > >> this change will only underscore the professionalism of > our > > >> >> >> >> > >> troops > > >> >> >> >> > >> as > > >> >> >> >> > >> the best-led and best-trained fighting force the world > has > > >> >> >> >> > >> ever > > >> >> >> >> > >> known,” he said in a statement after the Senate, on a > > >> >> >> >> > >> preliminary > > >> >> >> >> > >> 63-to-33 vote, beat back Republican efforts to block > final > > >> >> >> >> > >> action > > >> >> >> >> > >> on > > >> >> >> >> > >> the repeal bill. > > > > >> >> >> >> > >> The vote marked a historic moment that some equated with > the > > >> >> >> >> > >> end > > >> >> >> >> > >> of > > >> >> >> >> > >> racial segregation in the military. > > > > >> >> >> >> > >> It followed an exhaustive Pentagon review that > determined > > >> >> >> >> > >> the > > >> >> >> >> > >> policy > > >> >> >> >> > >> could be changed with only isolated disruptions to unit > > >> >> >> >> > >> cohesion > > >> >> >> >> > >> and > > >> >> >> >> > >> retention, though members of combat units and the Marine > > >> >> >> >> > >> Corps > > >> >> >> >> > >> expressed greater reservations about the shift. > > >> >> >> >> > >> Congressional > > >> >> >> >> > >> action > > >> >> >> >> > >> was backed by Pentagon officials as a better alternative > to > > >> >> >> >> > >> a > > >> >> >> >> > >> court-ordered end. > > > > >> >> >> >> > >> Supporters of the repeal said it was long past time to > > >> >> >> >> > >> abolish > > >> >> >> >> > >> what > > >> >> >> >> > >> they saw as an ill-advised practice that cost valuable > > >> >> >> >> > >> personnel > > >> >> >> >> > >> and > > >> >> >> >> > >> forced troops to lie to serve their country. > > > > >> >> >> >> > >> “We righted a wrong,” said Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, > the > > >> >> >> >> > >> independent from Connecticut and a leader of the effort > to > > >> >> >> >> > >> end > > >> >> >> >> > >> the > > >> >> >> >> > >> ban. “Today we’ve done justice.” > > > > >> >> >> >> > >> Before voting on the repeal, the Senate blocked a bill > that > > >> >> >> >> > >> would > > >> >> >> >> > >> have > > >> >> >> >> > >> created a path to citizenship for certain illegal > immigrants > > >> >> >> >> > >> who > > >> >> >> >> > >> came > > >> >> >> >> > >> to the United States at a young age, completed two years > of > > >> >> >> >> > >> college > > >> >> >> >> > >> or > > >> >> >> >> > >> military service and met other requirements including > > >> >> >> >> > >> passing a > > >> >> >> >> > >> criminal background check. > > > > >> >> >> >> > >> The 55-to-41 vote in favor of the citizenship bill was > five > > >> >> >> >> > >> votes > > >> >> >> >> > >> short of the number needed to clear the way for final > > >> >> >> >> > >> passage > > >> >> >> >> > >> of > > >> >> >> >> > >> what > > >> >> >> >> > >> is known as the Dream Act. > > > > >> >> >> >> > >> The outcome effectively kills it for this year, and its > fate > > >> >> >> >> > >> beyond > > >> >> >> >> > >> that is uncertain since Republicans who will assume > control > > >> >> >> >> > >> of > > >> >> >> >> > >> the > > >> >> >> >> > >> House in January oppose the measure and are unlikely to > > >> >> >> >> > >> bring > > >> >> >> >> > >> it > > >> >> >> >> > >> to a > > >> >> >> >> > >> vote. > > > > >> >> >> >> > >> The Senate then moved on to the military legislation, > > >> >> >> >> > >> engaging > > >> >> >> >> > >> in > > >> >> >> >> > >> an > > >> >> >> >> > >> emotional back and forth over the merits of the measure > as > > >> >> >> >> > >> advocates > > >> >> >> >> > >> for repeal watched from galleries crowded with people > > >> >> >> >> > >> interested > > >> >> >> >> > >> in > > >> >> >> >> > >> the fate of both the military and immigration measures. > > > > >> >> >> >> > >> “I don’t care who you love,” Senator Ron Wyden, Democrat > of > > >> >> >> >> > >> Oregon, > > >> >> >> >> > >> said as the debate opened. “If you love this country > enough > > >> >> >> >> > >> to > > >> >> >> >> > >> risk > > >> >> >> >> > >> your life for it, you shouldn’t have to hide who you > are.” > > > > >> >> >> >> > >> Mr. Wyden showed up for the Senate vote despite saying > > >> >> >> >> > >> earlier > > >> >> >> >> > >> that > > >> >> >> >> > >> he > > >> >> >> >> > >> would be unable to do so because he would be undergoing > > >> >> >> >> > >> final > > >> >> >> >> > >> tests > > >> >> >> >> > >> before his scheduled surgery for prostate cancer on > Monday. > > > > >> >> >> >> > >> The vote came in the final days of the 111th Congress as > > >> >> >> >> > >> Democrats > > >> >> >> >> > >> sought to force through a final few priorities before > they > > >> >> >> >> > >> turn > > >> >> >> >> > >> over > > >> >> >> >> > >> control of the House of Representatives to the > Republicans > > >> >> >> >> > >> in > > >> >> >> >> > >> January > > >> >> >> >> > >> and see their clout in the Senate diminished. > > > > >> >> >> >> > >> It represented a significant victory for the White > House, > > >> >> >> >> > >> Congressional advocates of lifting the ban and activists > who > > >> >> >> >> > >> have > > >> >> >> >> > >> pushed for years to end the Pentagon policy created in > 1993 > > >> >> >> >> > >> under > > >> >> >> >> > >> the > > >> >> >> >> > >> Clinton administration as a compromise effort to end the > > >> >> >> >> > >> practice > > >> >> >> >> > >> of > > >> >> >> >> > >> barring gay men and lesbians entirely from military > service. > > > > >> >> >> >> > >> Saying it represented an emotional moment for members of > the > > >> >> >> >> > >> gay > > >> >> >> >> > >> community nationwide, advocates who supported repeal of > > >> >> >> >> > >> “don’t > > >> >> >> >> > >> ask, > > >> >> >> >> > >> don’t tell” exchanged hugs outside the Senate chamber > after > > >> >> >> >> > >> the > > >> >> >> >> > >> vote. > > > > >> >> >> >> > >> “Today’s vote means gay and lesbian service members > posted > > >> >> >> >> > >> all > > >> >> >> >> > >> around > > >> >> >> >> > >> the world can > > > > >> ... > > > > >> read more »- Hide quoted text - > > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > > -- > > > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > > > For options & help seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > > > > * Visit our other community athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > > > * It's active and moderated. 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