Tom, the minority party can't veto proof a ham sandwich. And Clinton promised gays in the military a full year before he would know Colin Powell if he were standing on his chest.
On Dec 22, 12:09 pm, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > Greg- > > I believe the gay ban was veto-proofed by both Republicans and Democrats. > Can you research this and get the exact vote break downs and party > affiliations of all Congress members at that time? > > You can find this in The Congressional Record. > > On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Thats nice. > > > Clinton promised to allow gays to serve in the military before he was > > president and before he ever met Colin Powell. > > > THEN the democrats veto proofed the ban. > > > DADT was a CAMPAIGN promise, and the best he could do. His EO > > overrode DEMOCRATS! > > > On Dec 22, 11:27 am, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Wrong. > > >> I have a personal signed letter from Colin Powell which he wrote to me > >> stating that he was working out a "Compromise" in 1993 as proof. > > >> On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > tom, it was necessary because the DEMOCRAT congress had just > >> > recodified the BAN on gays in the military - VETO PROOF. > > >> > And your bit about Powell and republicans convincing Clinton is a heap > >> > of steaming shit. Clinton CAMPAIGNED on it!!! > > >> > On Dec 22, 11:14 am, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> I do not think DADT was necessary at all. > >> >> Colin Powell and the Republicans did, and President Clinton agreed to > >> >> the DADT "compromise", which he later said was a mistake. > > >> >> On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > WHY was DADT necessary Tommy? > > >> >> > On Dec 22, 11:07 am, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> Greg- > > >> >> >> DADT was a compromise brokered by Republican Colin Powell, who > >> >> >> convinced President Clinton it was the best way forward. Obviously, > >> >> >> the misguided policy failed, ruining thousands of lives and careers, > >> >> >> and it has now been repealed. > >> >> >> Puting the blame on Democrats does not pass muster. Your twisted > >> >> >> pretzel glue logic will not work. > > >> >> >> On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> >> > How bout the OVERWHELMING number of democrats who made DADT > >> >> >> > necessary > >> >> >> > in the first place? Whole bunch still there. > > >> >> >> > Ya really wanna play the, its a republican thing, card mate? Cuz > >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> > hundreds, just became dems. > > >> >> >> > On Dec 22, 10:51 am, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> Sure, why not. Also vote out all the Republicans in the house who > >> >> >> >> voted against repeal. Hundreds of them. > > >> >> >> >> On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> >> >> > Does the same go for the 26 Democratic members of the House > >> >> >> >> > that > >> >> >> >> > voted > >> >> >> >> > against DADT [repeal]?? > >> >> >> >> > -------------------------------- > > >> >> >> >> > Uh oh! > > >> >> >> >> > Tom? > > >> >> >> >> > On Dec 22, 10:27 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> Does the same go for the 26 Democratic members of the House > >> >> >> >> >> that > >> >> >> >> >> voted > >> >> >> >> >> against DADT?? > > >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Tommy News > >> >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > I disagree. > > >> >> >> >> >> > 31 Republican Senators voted against stand alone DADT > >> >> >> >> >> > repeal. > >> >> >> >> >> > They > >> >> >> >> >> > have now blatantly exposed their stand alone homophobia. > >> >> >> >> >> > John > >> >> >> >> >> > McCain, > >> >> >> >> >> > who attempted to filibuster DADT repeal, is the worst of the > >> >> >> >> >> > lot. > >> >> >> >> >> > We > >> >> >> >> >> > must now vote all 31 of them out of office. > > >> >> >> >> >> > On 12/18/10, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > > Like we told you a long time ago. Bring it up by itself > >> >> >> >> >> > > and > >> >> >> >> >> > > it > >> >> >> >> >> > > will > >> >> >> >> >> > > pass. Instead you kept trying to blame the votes against > >> >> >> >> >> > > the > >> >> >> >> >> > > Omnibus > >> >> >> >> >> > > earmark bill on the DADT alone. Someday you might learn > >> >> >> >> >> > > something > >> >> >> >> >> > > but > >> >> >> >> >> > > I kinda doubt it. Now maybe you will accept that some of > >> >> >> >> >> > > the > >> >> >> >> >> > > votes > >> >> >> >> >> > > against the Omnibus krep bill were against something other > >> >> >> >> >> > > than > >> >> >> >> >> > > DADT. > >> >> >> >> >> > > Although I doubt that too. You are far too wedded to > >> >> >> >> >> > > blaming > >> >> >> >> >> > > anything > >> >> >> >> >> > > that goes against what you want as being homophobic alone. > >> >> >> >> >> > > Obviously > >> >> >> >> >> > > that is not so. > > >> >> >> >> >> > > On 12/18/2010 09:43 PM, Tommy News wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > >> Victory! Senate Repeals ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’, Despite > >> >> >> >> >> > >> 31 > >> >> >> >> >> > >> Republican > >> >> >> >> >> > >> No Votes and John McCain's Fillibuster Attempt. This is a > >> >> >> >> >> > >> long > >> >> >> >> >> > >> overdue > >> >> >> >> >> > >> victory for Civil Rights equality. Repeal of DOMA and > >> >> >> >> >> > >> Passige > >> >> >> >> >> > >> of > >> >> >> >> >> > >> ENDA > >> >> >> >> >> > >> and UAFA, and introduction of The American Equality Bill > >> >> >> >> >> > >> for > >> >> >> >> >> > >> Civil > >> >> >> >> >> > >> Rights are next. > > >> >> >> >> >> > >> Senate Repeals ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ > > >> >> >> >> >> > >> Drew Angerer/The New York Times > >> >> >> >> >> > >> Senator Joseph I. Lieberman gave the thumbs up as > >> >> >> >> >> > >> Majority > >> >> >> >> >> > >> Leader > >> >> >> >> >> > >> Harry Reid spoke at a press conference after the “don’t > >> >> >> >> >> > >> ask, > >> >> >> >> >> > >> don’t > >> >> >> >> >> > >> tell” vote. > > >> >> >> >> >> > >> By CARL HULSE > >> >> >> >> >> > >> nk WASHINGTON — The Senate on Saturday voted to strike > >> >> >> >> >> > >> down > >> >> >> >> >> > >> the > >> >> >> >> >> > >> ban > >> >> >> >> >> > >> on > >> >> >> >> >> > >> gay men and lesbians serving openly in the military, > >> >> >> >> >> > >> bringing > >> >> >> >> >> > >> to a > >> >> >> >> >> > >> close a 17-year struggle over a policy that forced > >> >> >> >> >> > >> thousands > >> >> >> >> >> > >> of > >> >> >> >> >> > >> Americans from the ranks and caused others to keep secret > >> >> >> >> >> > >> their > >> >> >> >> >> > >> sexual > >> >> >> >> >> > >> orientation. > > >> >> >> >> >> > >> Clockwise from left, Senators Mark Udall, Joseph I. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> Lieberman, > >> >> >> >> >> > >> Susan > >> >> >> >> >> > >> Collins and Kirsten Gillibrand after a news conference on > >> >> >> >> >> > >> the > >> >> >> >> >> > >> repeal > >> >> >> >> >> > >> of “don’t ask, don’t tell.” > > >> >> >> >> >> > >> By a vote of 65 to 31, with eight Republicans joining > >> >> >> >> >> > >> Democrats, > >> >> >> >> >> > >> the > >> >> >> >> >> > >> Senate approved and sent to President Obama a repeal of > >> >> >> >> >> > >> the > >> >> >> >> >> > >> Clinton-era law, known as “don’t ask, don’t tell,” a > >> >> >> >> >> > >> policy > >> >> >> >> >> > >> critics > >> >> >> >> >> > >> said amounted to government-sanctioned discrimination > >> >> >> >> >> > >> that > >> >> >> >> >> > >> treated > >> >> >> >> >> > >> gay, lesbian and bisexual troops as second-class > >> >> >> >> >> > >> citizens. > > >> >> >> >> >> > >> Mr. Obama hailed the action, which fulfills his pledge to > >> >> >> >> >> > >> reverse > >> >> >> >> >> > >> the > >> >> >> >> >> > >> ban, and said it was “time to close this chapter in our > >> >> >> >> >> > >> history.” > > >> >> >> >> >> > >> “As commander in chief, I am also absolutely convinced > >> >> >> >> >> > >> that > >> >> >> >> >> > >> making > >> >> >> >> >> > >> this change will only underscore the professionalism of > >> >> >> >> >> > >> our > >> >> >> >> >> > >> troops > >> >> >> >> >> > >> as > >> >> >> >> >> > >> the best-led and best-trained fighting force the world > >> >> >> >> >> > >> has > >> >> >> >> >> > >> ever > >> >> >> >> >> > >> known,” he said in a statement after the Senate, on a > >> >> >> >> >> > >> preliminary > >> >> >> >> >> > >> 63-to-33 vote, beat back Republican efforts to block > >> >> >> >> >> > >> final > >> >> >> >> >> > >> action > >> >> >> >> >> > >> on > >> >> >> >> >> > >> the repeal bill. > > >> >> >> >> >> > >> The vote marked a historic moment that some equated with > >> >> >> >> >> > >> the > >> >> >> >> >> > >> end > >> >> >> >> >> > >> of > >> >> >> >> >> > >> racial segregation in the military. > > >> >> >> >> >> > >> It followed an exhaustive Pentagon review that determined > >> >> >> >> >> > >> the > >> >> >> >> >> > >> policy > >> >> >> >> >> > >> could be changed with only isolated disruptions to unit > >> >> >> >> >> > >> cohesion > >> >> >> >> >> > >> and > >> >> >> >> >> > >> retention, though members of combat units and the Marine > >> >> >> >> >> > >> Corps > >> >> >> >> >> > >> expressed greater reservations about the shift. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> Congressional > >> >> >> >> >> > >> action > >> >> >> >> >> > >> was backed by Pentagon officials as a better alternative > >> >> >> >> >> > >> to > >> >> >> >> >> > >> a > >> >> >> >> >> > >> court-ordered end. > > >> >> >> >> >> > >> Supporters of the repeal said it was long past time to > >> >> >> >> >> > >> abolish > >> >> >> >> >> > >> what > >> >> >> >> >> > >> they saw as an ill-advised practice that cost valuable > >> >> >> >> >> > >> personnel > >> >> >> >> >> > >> and > >> >> >> >> >> > >> forced troops to lie to serve their country. > > >> >> >> >> >> > >> “We righted a wrong,” said Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, > >> >> >> >> >> > >> the > >> >> >> >> >> > >> independent from Connecticut and a leader of the effort > >> >> >> >> >> > >> to > >> >> >> >> >> > >> end > >> >> >> >> >> > >> the > >> >> >> >> >> > >> ban. “Today we’ve done justice.” > > >> >> >> >> >> > >> Before voting on the repeal, the Senate blocked a bill > >> >> >> >> >> > >> that > >> >> >> >> >> > >> would > >> >> >> >> >> > >> have > >> >> >> >> >> > >> created a path to citizenship for certain illegal > >> >> >> >> >> > >> immigrants > >> >> >> >> >> > >> who > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
