Greg- All votes, from all parties, count twoard passage of all Congressional bills and measures. Always have. 2 Republicans plus 2 Democrats plus one Independant = 5 votes.
On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <[email protected]> wrote: > Tom, the minority party can't veto proof a ham sandwich. > > And Clinton promised gays in the military a full year before he would > know Colin Powell if he were standing on his chest. > > On Dec 22, 12:09 pm, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: >> Greg- >> >> I believe the gay ban was veto-proofed by both Republicans and Democrats. >> Can you research this and get the exact vote break downs and party >> affiliations of all Congress members at that time? >> >> You can find this in The Congressional Record. >> >> On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > Thats nice. >> >> > Clinton promised to allow gays to serve in the military before he was >> > president and before he ever met Colin Powell. >> >> > THEN the democrats veto proofed the ban. >> >> > DADT was a CAMPAIGN promise, and the best he could do. His EO >> > overrode DEMOCRATS! >> >> > On Dec 22, 11:27 am, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Wrong. >> >> >> I have a personal signed letter from Colin Powell which he wrote to me >> >> stating that he was working out a "Compromise" in 1993 as proof. >> >> >> On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > tom, it was necessary because the DEMOCRAT congress had just >> >> > recodified the BAN on gays in the military - VETO PROOF. >> >> >> > And your bit about Powell and republicans convincing Clinton is a >> >> > heap >> >> > of steaming shit. Clinton CAMPAIGNED on it!!! >> >> >> > On Dec 22, 11:14 am, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> I do not think DADT was necessary at all. >> >> >> Colin Powell and the Republicans did, and President Clinton agreed >> >> >> to >> >> >> the DADT "compromise", which he later said was a mistake. >> >> >> >> On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > WHY was DADT necessary Tommy? >> >> >> >> > On Dec 22, 11:07 am, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Greg- >> >> >> >> >> DADT was a compromise brokered by Republican Colin Powell, who >> >> >> >> convinced President Clinton it was the best way forward. >> >> >> >> Obviously, >> >> >> >> the misguided policy failed, ruining thousands of lives and >> >> >> >> careers, >> >> >> >> and it has now been repealed. >> >> >> >> Puting the blame on Democrats does not pass muster. Your twisted >> >> >> >> pretzel glue logic will not work. >> >> >> >> >> On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > How bout the OVERWHELMING number of democrats who made DADT >> >> >> >> > necessary >> >> >> >> > in the first place? Whole bunch still there. >> >> >> >> >> > Ya really wanna play the, its a republican thing, card mate? >> >> >> >> > Cuz >> >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> > hundreds, just became dems. >> >> >> >> >> > On Dec 22, 10:51 am, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Sure, why not. Also vote out all the Republicans in the house >> >> >> >> >> who >> >> >> >> >> voted against repeal. Hundreds of them. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > Does the same go for the 26 Democratic members of the House >> >> >> >> >> > that >> >> >> >> >> > voted >> >> >> >> >> > against DADT [repeal]?? >> >> >> >> >> > -------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> >> > Uh oh! >> >> >> >> >> >> > Tom? >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Dec 22, 10:27 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Does the same go for the 26 Democratic members of the House >> >> >> >> >> >> that >> >> >> >> >> >> voted >> >> >> >> >> >> against DADT?? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Tommy News >> >> >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > I disagree. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > 31 Republican Senators voted against stand alone DADT >> >> >> >> >> >> > repeal. >> >> >> >> >> >> > They >> >> >> >> >> >> > have now blatantly exposed their stand alone homophobia. >> >> >> >> >> >> > John >> >> >> >> >> >> > McCain, >> >> >> >> >> >> > who attempted to filibuster DADT repeal, is the worst of >> >> >> >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> >> >> > lot. >> >> >> >> >> >> > We >> >> >> >> >> >> > must now vote all 31 of them out of office. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On 12/18/10, dick thompson <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > > Like we told you a long time ago. Bring it up by >> >> >> >> >> >> > > itself >> >> >> >> >> >> > > and >> >> >> >> >> >> > > it >> >> >> >> >> >> > > will >> >> >> >> >> >> > > pass. Instead you kept trying to blame the votes >> >> >> >> >> >> > > against >> >> >> >> >> >> > > the >> >> >> >> >> >> > > Omnibus >> >> >> >> >> >> > > earmark bill on the DADT alone. Someday you might >> >> >> >> >> >> > > learn >> >> >> >> >> >> > > something >> >> >> >> >> >> > > but >> >> >> >> >> >> > > I kinda doubt it. Now maybe you will accept that some >> >> >> >> >> >> > > of >> >> >> >> >> >> > > the >> >> >> >> >> >> > > votes >> >> >> >> >> >> > > against the Omnibus krep bill were against something >> >> >> >> >> >> > > other >> >> >> >> >> >> > > than >> >> >> >> >> >> > > DADT. >> >> >> >> >> >> > > Although I doubt that too. You are far too wedded to >> >> >> >> >> >> > > blaming >> >> >> >> >> >> > > anything >> >> >> >> >> >> > > that goes against what you want as being homophobic >> >> >> >> >> >> > > alone. >> >> >> >> >> >> > > Obviously >> >> >> >> >> >> > > that is not so. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > On 12/18/2010 09:43 PM, Tommy News wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Victory! Senate Repeals ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’, >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Despite >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> 31 >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Republican >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> No Votes and John McCain's Fillibuster Attempt. This >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> is a >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> long >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> overdue >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> victory for Civil Rights equality. Repeal of DOMA and >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Passige >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> of >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> ENDA >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> and UAFA, and introduction of The American Equality >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Bill >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> for >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Civil >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Rights are next. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Senate Repeals ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Drew Angerer/The New York Times >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Senator Joseph I. Lieberman gave the thumbs up as >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Majority >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Leader >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Harry Reid spoke at a press conference after the >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> “don’t >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> ask, >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> don’t >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> tell” vote. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> By CARL HULSE >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> nk WASHINGTON — The Senate on Saturday voted to strike >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> down >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> the >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> ban >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> on >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> gay men and lesbians serving openly in the military, >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> bringing >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> to a >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> close a 17-year struggle over a policy that forced >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> thousands >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> of >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Americans from the ranks and caused others to keep >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> secret >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> their >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> sexual >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> orientation. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Clockwise from left, Senators Mark Udall, Joseph I. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Lieberman, >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Susan >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Collins and Kirsten Gillibrand after a news conference >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> on >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> the >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> repeal >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> of “don’t ask, don’t tell.” >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> By a vote of 65 to 31, with eight Republicans joining >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Democrats, >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> the >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Senate approved and sent to President Obama a repeal >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> of >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> the >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Clinton-era law, known as “don’t ask, don’t tell,” a >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> policy >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> critics >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> said amounted to government-sanctioned discrimination >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> that >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> treated >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> gay, lesbian and bisexual troops as second-class >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> citizens. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Mr. Obama hailed the action, which fulfills his pledge >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> to >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> reverse >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> the >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> ban, and said it was “time to close this chapter in >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> our >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> history.” >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> “As commander in chief, I am also absolutely convinced >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> that >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> making >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> this change will only underscore the professionalism >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> of >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> our >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> troops >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> as >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> the best-led and best-trained fighting force the world >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> has >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> ever >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> known,” he said in a statement after the Senate, on a >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> preliminary >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> 63-to-33 vote, beat back Republican efforts to block >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> final >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> action >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> on >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> the repeal bill. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> The vote marked a historic moment that some equated >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> with >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> the >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> end >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> of >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> racial segregation in the military. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> It followed an exhaustive Pentagon review that >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> determined >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> the >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> policy >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> could be changed with only isolated disruptions to >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> unit >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> cohesion >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> and >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> retention, though members of combat units and the >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Marine >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Corps >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> expressed greater reservations about the shift. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Congressional >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> action >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> was backed by Pentagon officials as a better >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> alternative >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> to >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> a >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> court-ordered end. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Supporters of the repeal said it was long past time to >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> abolish >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> what >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> they saw as an ill-advised practice that cost valuable >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> personnel >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> and >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> forced troops to lie to serve their country. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> “We righted a wrong,” said Senator Joseph I. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Lieberman, >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> the >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> independent from Connecticut and a leader of the >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> effort >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> to >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> end >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> the >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> ban. “Today we’ve done justice.” >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Before voting on the repeal, the Senate blocked a bill >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> that >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> would >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> have >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> created 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