Wrong. I have a personal signed letter from Colin Powell which he wrote to me stating that he was working out a "Compromise" in 1993 as proof.
On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <[email protected]> wrote: > tom, it was necessary because the DEMOCRAT congress had just > recodified the BAN on gays in the military - VETO PROOF. > > And your bit about Powell and republicans convincing Clinton is a heap > of steaming shit. Clinton CAMPAIGNED on it!!! > > On Dec 22, 11:14 am, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: >> I do not think DADT was necessary at all. >> Colin Powell and the Republicans did, and President Clinton agreed to >> the DADT "compromise", which he later said was a mistake. >> >> On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > WHY was DADT necessary Tommy? >> >> > On Dec 22, 11:07 am, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Greg- >> >> >> DADT was a compromise brokered by Republican Colin Powell, who >> >> convinced President Clinton it was the best way forward. Obviously, >> >> the misguided policy failed, ruining thousands of lives and careers, >> >> and it has now been repealed. >> >> Puting the blame on Democrats does not pass muster. Your twisted >> >> pretzel glue logic will not work. >> >> >> On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > How bout the OVERWHELMING number of democrats who made DADT necessary >> >> > in the first place? Whole bunch still there. >> >> >> > Ya really wanna play the, its a republican thing, card mate? Cuz the >> >> > hundreds, just became dems. >> >> >> > On Dec 22, 10:51 am, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Sure, why not. Also vote out all the Republicans in the house who >> >> >> voted against repeal. Hundreds of them. >> >> >> >> On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > Does the same go for the 26 Democratic members of the House that >> >> >> > voted >> >> >> > against DADT [repeal]?? >> >> >> > -------------------------------- >> >> >> >> > Uh oh! >> >> >> >> > Tom? >> >> >> >> > On Dec 22, 10:27 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Does the same go for the 26 Democratic members of the House that >> >> >> >> voted >> >> >> >> against DADT?? >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Tommy News >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > I disagree. >> >> >> >> >> > 31 Republican Senators voted against stand alone DADT repeal. >> >> >> >> > They >> >> >> >> > have now blatantly exposed their stand alone homophobia. John >> >> >> >> > McCain, >> >> >> >> > who attempted to filibuster DADT repeal, is the worst of the >> >> >> >> > lot. >> >> >> >> > We >> >> >> >> > must now vote all 31 of them out of office. >> >> >> >> >> > On 12/18/10, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > > Like we told you a long time ago. Bring it up by itself and >> >> >> >> > > it >> >> >> >> > > will >> >> >> >> > > pass. Instead you kept trying to blame the votes against the >> >> >> >> > > Omnibus >> >> >> >> > > earmark bill on the DADT alone. Someday you might learn >> >> >> >> > > something >> >> >> >> > > but >> >> >> >> > > I kinda doubt it. Now maybe you will accept that some of >> >> >> >> > > the >> >> >> >> > > votes >> >> >> >> > > against the Omnibus krep bill were against something other >> >> >> >> > > than >> >> >> >> > > DADT. >> >> >> >> > > Although I doubt that too. You are far too wedded to blaming >> >> >> >> > > anything >> >> >> >> > > that goes against what you want as being homophobic alone. >> >> >> >> > > Obviously >> >> >> >> > > that is not so. >> >> >> >> >> > > On 12/18/2010 09:43 PM, Tommy News wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> Victory! Senate Repeals ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’, Despite 31 >> >> >> >> > >> Republican >> >> >> >> > >> No Votes and John McCain's Fillibuster Attempt. This is a >> >> >> >> > >> long >> >> >> >> > >> overdue >> >> >> >> > >> victory for Civil Rights equality. Repeal of DOMA and >> >> >> >> > >> Passige >> >> >> >> > >> of >> >> >> >> > >> ENDA >> >> >> >> > >> and UAFA, and introduction of The American Equality Bill for >> >> >> >> > >> Civil >> >> >> >> > >> Rights are next. >> >> >> >> >> > >> Senate Repeals ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ >> >> >> >> >> > >> Drew Angerer/The New York Times >> >> >> >> > >> Senator Joseph I. Lieberman gave the thumbs up as Majority >> >> >> >> > >> Leader >> >> >> >> > >> Harry Reid spoke at a press conference after the “don’t ask, >> >> >> >> > >> don’t >> >> >> >> > >> tell” vote. >> >> >> >> >> > >> By CARL HULSE >> >> >> >> > >> nk WASHINGTON — The Senate on Saturday voted to strike down >> >> >> >> > >> the >> >> >> >> > >> ban >> >> >> >> > >> on >> >> >> >> > >> gay men and lesbians serving openly in the military, >> >> >> >> > >> bringing >> >> >> >> > >> to a >> >> >> >> > >> close a 17-year struggle over a policy that forced thousands >> >> >> >> > >> of >> >> >> >> > >> Americans from the ranks and caused others to keep secret >> >> >> >> > >> their >> >> >> >> > >> sexual >> >> >> >> > >> orientation. >> >> >> >> >> > >> Clockwise from left, Senators Mark Udall, Joseph I. >> >> >> >> > >> Lieberman, >> >> >> >> > >> Susan >> >> >> >> > >> Collins and Kirsten Gillibrand after a news conference on >> >> >> >> > >> the >> >> >> >> > >> repeal >> >> >> >> > >> of “don’t ask, don’t tell.” >> >> >> >> >> > >> By a vote of 65 to 31, with eight Republicans joining >> >> >> >> > >> Democrats, >> >> >> >> > >> the >> >> >> >> > >> Senate approved and sent to President Obama a repeal of the >> >> >> >> > >> Clinton-era law, known as “don’t ask, don’t tell,” a policy >> >> >> >> > >> critics >> >> >> >> > >> said amounted to government-sanctioned discrimination that >> >> >> >> > >> treated >> >> >> >> > >> gay, lesbian and bisexual troops as second-class citizens. >> >> >> >> >> > >> Mr. Obama hailed the action, which fulfills his pledge to >> >> >> >> > >> reverse >> >> >> >> > >> the >> >> >> >> > >> ban, and said it was “time to close this chapter in our >> >> >> >> > >> history.” >> >> >> >> >> > >> “As commander in chief, I am also absolutely convinced that >> >> >> >> > >> making >> >> >> >> > >> this change will only underscore the professionalism of our >> >> >> >> > >> troops >> >> >> >> > >> as >> >> >> >> > >> the best-led and best-trained fighting force the world has >> >> >> >> > >> ever >> >> >> >> > >> known,” he said in a statement after the Senate, on a >> >> >> >> > >> preliminary >> >> >> >> > >> 63-to-33 vote, beat back Republican efforts to block final >> >> >> >> > >> action >> >> >> >> > >> on >> >> >> >> > >> the repeal bill. >> >> >> >> >> > >> The vote marked a historic moment that some equated with the >> >> >> >> > >> end >> >> >> >> > >> of >> >> >> >> > >> racial segregation in the military. >> >> >> >> >> > >> It followed an exhaustive Pentagon review that determined >> >> >> >> > >> the >> >> >> >> > >> policy >> >> >> >> > >> could be changed with only isolated disruptions to unit >> >> >> >> > >> cohesion >> >> >> >> > >> and >> >> >> >> > >> retention, though members of combat units and the Marine >> >> >> >> > >> Corps >> >> >> >> > >> expressed greater reservations about the shift. >> >> >> >> > >> Congressional >> >> >> >> > >> action >> >> >> >> > >> was backed by Pentagon officials as a better alternative to >> >> >> >> > >> a >> >> >> >> > >> court-ordered end. >> >> >> >> >> > >> Supporters of the repeal said it was long past time to >> >> >> >> > >> abolish >> >> >> >> > >> what >> >> >> >> > >> they saw as an ill-advised practice that cost valuable >> >> >> >> > >> personnel >> >> >> >> > >> and >> >> >> >> > >> forced troops to lie to serve their country. >> >> >> >> >> > >> “We righted a wrong,” said Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, the >> >> >> >> > >> independent from Connecticut and a leader of the effort to >> >> >> >> > >> end >> >> >> >> > >> the >> >> >> >> > >> ban. “Today we’ve done justice.” >> >> >> >> >> > >> Before voting on the repeal, the Senate blocked a bill that >> >> >> >> > >> would >> >> >> >> > >> have >> >> >> >> > >> created a path to citizenship for certain illegal immigrants >> >> >> >> > >> who >> >> >> >> > >> came >> >> >> >> > >> to the United States at a young age, completed two years of >> >> >> >> > >> college >> >> >> >> > >> or >> >> >> >> > >> military service and met other requirements including >> >> >> >> > >> passing a >> >> >> >> > >> criminal background check. >> >> >> >> >> > >> The 55-to-41 vote in favor of the citizenship bill was five >> >> >> >> > >> votes >> >> >> >> > >> short of the number needed to clear the way for final >> >> >> >> > >> passage >> >> >> >> > >> of >> >> >> >> > >> what >> >> >> >> > >> is known as the Dream Act. >> >> >> >> >> > >> The outcome effectively kills it for this year, and its fate >> >> >> >> > >> beyond >> >> >> >> > >> that is uncertain since Republicans who will assume control >> >> >> >> > >> of >> >> >> >> > >> the >> >> >> >> > >> House in January oppose the measure and are unlikely to >> >> >> >> > >> bring >> >> >> >> > >> it >> >> >> >> > >> to a >> >> >> >> > >> vote. >> >> >> >> >> > >> The Senate then moved on to the military legislation, >> >> >> >> > >> engaging >> >> >> >> > >> in >> >> >> >> > >> an >> >> >> >> > >> emotional back and forth over the merits of the measure as >> >> >> >> > >> advocates >> >> >> >> > >> for repeal watched from galleries crowded with people >> >> >> >> > >> interested >> >> >> >> > >> in >> >> >> >> > >> the fate of both the military and immigration measures. >> >> >> >> >> > >> “I don’t care who you love,” Senator Ron Wyden, Democrat of >> >> >> >> > >> Oregon, >> >> >> >> > >> said as the debate opened. “If you love this country enough >> >> >> >> > >> to >> >> >> >> > >> risk >> >> >> >> > >> your life for it, you shouldn’t have to hide who you are.” >> >> >> >> >> > >> Mr. Wyden showed up for the Senate vote despite saying >> >> >> >> > >> earlier >> >> >> >> > >> that >> >> >> >> > >> he >> >> >> >> > >> would be unable to do so because he would be undergoing >> >> >> >> > >> final >> >> >> >> > >> tests >> >> >> >> > >> before his scheduled surgery for prostate cancer on Monday. >> >> >> >> >> > >> The vote came in the final days of the 111th Congress as >> >> >> >> > >> Democrats >> >> >> >> > >> sought to force through a final few priorities before they >> >> >> >> > >> turn >> >> >> >> > >> over >> >> >> >> > >> control of the House of Representatives to the Republicans >> >> >> >> > >> in >> >> >> >> > >> January >> >> >> >> > >> and see their clout in the Senate diminished. >> >> >> >> >> > >> It represented a significant victory for the White House, >> >> >> >> > >> Congressional advocates of lifting the ban and activists who >> >> >> >> > >> have >> >> >> >> > >> pushed for years to end the Pentagon policy created in 1993 >> >> >> >> > >> under >> >> >> >> > >> the >> >> >> >> > >> Clinton administration as a compromise effort to end the >> >> >> >> > >> practice >> >> >> >> > >> of >> >> >> >> > >> barring gay men and lesbians entirely from military service. >> >> >> >> >> > >> Saying it represented an emotional moment for members of the >> >> >> >> > >> gay >> >> >> >> > >> community nationwide, advocates who supported repeal of >> >> >> >> > >> “don’t >> >> >> >> > >> ask, >> >> >> >> > >> don’t tell” exchanged hugs outside the Senate chamber after >> >> >> >> > >> the >> >> >> >> > >> vote. >> >> >> >> >> > >> “Today’s vote means gay and lesbian service members posted >> >> >> >> > >> all >> >> >> >> > >> around >> >> >> >> > >> the world can >> >> ... >> >> read more »- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > * It's active and moderated. 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