Wasn't 2009 when the Sam was introduced? Seems to me you're not the only 
one who's been less than thrilled by the ride...

That being said, if you are not happy with it, as others have said, time to 
move Sam and get something you're happy with...Rivendell or otherwise

On Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 10:59:59 PM UTC-6, John Bokman wrote:
>
> Interesting you mention that, because now the choice is 58cm or 62cm, I 
> believe. (In 2009 it was 56 or 60). If the frame is the same as it was in 
> 2009, I’d most likely feel I had a better fit with the current 58. That 
> would probably be my sweet spot in this frame. Although, the frame may have 
> changed since 2009, I don’t know. 
>
>
> > On Jan 5, 2017, at 7:30 PM, Christopher Murray <chrispm...@gmail.com 
> <javascript:>> wrote: 
> > 
> > Wasn't the Hillborne designed with the expanded geometry so few sizes 
> would be needed? Fewer sizes means less inventory, less inventory means 
> less $. If I remember right $ was talked about quite a bit with the design 
> of the Hillborne (as the Riv/QBP Bleriot project was winding down). I can't 
> imagine anyone would argue that less sizes is better or fits all riders as 
> well as more sizes would. Doesn't the underlying idea have to be that it 
> fits most riders well enough?  Or to put it another way, if both the 56 and 
> 60 fit couldn't you argue that neither really fit? 
> > 
> > Cheers! 
> > Chris 
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