if you're patient for slow delivery, Outside Outfitters has great prices on 
the Miche components - put my daughter's cassette together there.  

On Friday, August 23, 2013 6:16:05 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> FWIW, you can make your own cassettes with Miche Shimano compatible outer 
> cogs which go as high as 16 t. I used to run a cobbled 7 speed 
> 16-18-20-23-26-34 or somesuch with the stock 46/36/24 X2D chainset set up 
> for most of my riding in the 46. 
>
> QBP has the Miches and they aren't very expensive.
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Matthew J <matth...@gmail.com<javascript:>
> > wrote:
>
>> Living in Chicago with most of my riding thereabouts and in the upper 
>> Midwest makes all this easy.
>>
>> My primary bike is a single speed.
>>
>> My tour bike is a 1x5.  Up front is a 46.  In back a Suntour Winner with 
>> 14-34 cogs.  (thanks to Patrick Moore who pointed out a new cottage 
>> business in New Hampshire that repairs and preps freewheels)
>>
>> While my plan had been to stick with two bikes, I could not resist the 
>> temptation to get what will be my third Retrotec.  More of a rough stuff 
>> cross type bike.  This will also be a 1x.  Plan to start with a 44 up 
>> front.  The rear hub is a King single speed.  I can either use a variety of 
>> King cogs, or, if gears seem necessary, the Jeff Jones (modified Shimano) 6 
>> speed cassette - 16-36.  (currently not offered on his site.  Hope Mr. 
>> Jones starts making these again as I would like to have a couple more.)
>>
>> On Friday, August 23, 2013 11:57:58 AM UTC-5, William wrote:
>>>
>>> "Personally, I think the 
>>> "standard" Riv 110/74 "compact triple" is a better solution for most 
>>> riders; but I'm not a STI user and I'm very familiar with this kind of 
>>> triple and don't find them even slightly "confusing." "
>>>
>>> I totally agree with you there.  Very useful and very non-confusing. 
>>>  That's why I have that setup, with bar-con shifters on both my touring 
>>> bike and my tandem.  It's fantastic!
>>>
>>> Furthermore, I'm glad we completely agree about compact doubles.  You 
>>> run your bike like a compact double -PLUS- a granny bail out for 
>>> extraordinary circumstances  that you practically never use.  That's 
>>> precisely how I use my touring bike and my tandem.  A close range 46/36 
>>> compact double would be fine for you, just like it is with most people, but 
>>> like a lot of people, you also choose to be prepared for extraordinary 
>>> circumstances.  I have no problem with any of that.  Also, it doesn't 
>>> surprise me much that when you tried a 44/30 and a 40/26 that you found the 
>>> enormous jump troublesome, particularly on rollers.  As you correctly 
>>> pointed out, people have to find what they like on the terrain they will be 
>>> riding.  
>>>
>>> I end up using my 44/30 as a 1x9 (or 1x10 on one bike) PLUS a climbing 
>>> range.  If my riding was more on the Pacific coast, where there are a ton 
>>> of rollers, I would probably swap my 30 tooth ring for a 32 or a 34, 
>>> because the terrain would dictate far more frequent front shifts, as you 
>>> correctly pointed out.   
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 23, 2013 5:35:44 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 08/22/2013 10:55 PM, William wrote: 
>>>> > "Regardless of the cassette in question, the "big jump" is due to the 
>>>> > 53.8% difference between the chain rings." 
>>>> > 
>>>> > My jump is 47% between chainrings.  That's much bigger than the 27% 
>>>> > jump from your 36 to your 46, but it is smaller than the 50% jump 
>>>> from 
>>>> > your 24 to your 36.  I don't know if I should go mad or not! 
>>>>
>>>> There's a difference between going from a rarely used small granny to 
>>>> middle ring, and a routine, do it all day long on every ride, shift 
>>>> from 
>>>> small to large chain ring.  It takes a lot of drama to force me to 
>>>> shift 
>>>> to the granny, and I don't mind a little of the same getting off of it. 
>>>>   
>>>> It happens only in exceptional circumstances: I spend most of my time 
>>>> riding in rolling country, not the mountains, and in rolling country I 
>>>> don't have to use the granny.    A wide range double, on the other 
>>>> hand, 
>>>> is shifted often. 
>>>>
>>>> However, everyone has to find gearing that they're happy with. There 
>>>> are 
>>>> obviously some who can tolerate frequent wide-range crossovers, and -- 
>>>> especially with the new breed of ultra wide range cassettes like the 
>>>> 11-36 -- many whose needs are fully met by them. Personally, I think 
>>>> the 
>>>> "standard" Riv 110/74 "compact triple" is a better solution for most 
>>>> riders; but I'm not a STI user and I'm very familiar with this kind of 
>>>> triple and don't find them even slightly "confusing." 
>>>>
>>>>
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