There are more compromises available to riders than that between a triple
on the one hand and a w r d with frequent crossover shifts, on the other.

The whole point of switching to w r d's is, for some, precisely to avoid
the annoying crossover shifts between large and middle on standard triples.

My own choice was to give up the high end for an 85" high so that I can
have close ratios in the middle of the 9 speed cassette while preserving
the large cogs, so that the outer gives me more or less the range of the
middle and the inner remains a granny. I find a 44/30 with 14-23 7
excellent for the Ram's pavement, and a 38/24 with 13-32 9 excellent for
the Fargo's dirt.

Ram on the outer: 85-79-74-70-64-60-50; inner: 45-40-35. Most of my riding
in rolling terrain in the 60" to 74".

Fargo (probably closer to Steve's triple): 85-73-69-65-61-55-48-42-34;
inner 30-27-22. Most of my riding in dirt in the 42" to 65".




On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 6:35 AM, Steve Palincsar <palin...@his.com> wrote:

> On 08/22/2013 10:55 PM, William wrote:
>
>> "Regardless of the cassette in question, the "big jump" is due to the
>> 53.8% difference between the chain rings."
>>
>> My jump is 47% between chainrings.  That's much bigger than the 27% jump
>> from your 36 to your 46, but it is smaller than the 50% jump from your 24
>> to your 36.  I don't know if I should go mad or not!
>>
>
> There's a difference between going from a rarely used small granny to
> middle ring, and a routine, do it all day long on every ride, shift from
> small to large chain ring.  It takes a lot of drama to force me to shift to
> the granny, and I don't mind a little of the same getting off of it.  It
> happens only in exceptional circumstances: I spend most of my time riding
> in rolling country, not the mountains, and in rolling country I don't have
> to use the granny.    A wide range double, on the other hand, is shifted
> often.
>
> However, everyone has to find gearing that they're happy with. There are
> obviously some who can tolerate frequent wide-range crossovers, and --
> especially with the new breed of ultra wide range cassettes like the 11-36
> -- many whose needs are fully met by them. Personally, I think the
> "standard" Riv 110/74 "compact triple" is a better solution for most
> riders; but I'm not a STI user and I'm very familiar with this kind of
> triple and don't find them even slightly "confusing."
>
>
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