"Personally, I think the 
"standard" Riv 110/74 "compact triple" is a better solution for most 
riders; but I'm not a STI user and I'm very familiar with this kind of 
triple and don't find them even slightly "confusing." "

I totally agree with you there.  Very useful and very non-confusing. 
 That's why I have that setup, with bar-con shifters on both my touring 
bike and my tandem.  It's fantastic!

Furthermore, I'm glad we completely agree about compact doubles.  You run 
your bike like a compact double -PLUS- a granny bail out for extraordinary 
circumstances  that you practically never use.  That's precisely how I use 
my touring bike and my tandem.  A close range 46/36 compact double would be 
fine for you, just like it is with most people, but like a lot of people, 
you also choose to be prepared for extraordinary circumstances.  I have no 
problem with any of that.  Also, it doesn't surprise me much that when you 
tried a 44/30 and a 40/26 that you found the enormous jump troublesome, 
particularly on rollers.  As you correctly pointed out, people have to find 
what they like on the terrain they will be riding.  

I end up using my 44/30 as a 1x9 (or 1x10 on one bike) PLUS a climbing 
range.  If my riding was more on the Pacific coast, where there are a ton 
of rollers, I would probably swap my 30 tooth ring for a 32 or a 34, 
because the terrain would dictate far more frequent front shifts, as you 
correctly pointed out.   

On Friday, August 23, 2013 5:35:44 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On 08/22/2013 10:55 PM, William wrote: 
> > "Regardless of the cassette in question, the "big jump" is due to the 
> > 53.8% difference between the chain rings." 
> > 
> > My jump is 47% between chainrings.  That's much bigger than the 27% 
> > jump from your 36 to your 46, but it is smaller than the 50% jump from 
> > your 24 to your 36.  I don't know if I should go mad or not! 
>
> There's a difference between going from a rarely used small granny to 
> middle ring, and a routine, do it all day long on every ride, shift from 
> small to large chain ring.  It takes a lot of drama to force me to shift 
> to the granny, and I don't mind a little of the same getting off of it.   
> It happens only in exceptional circumstances: I spend most of my time 
> riding in rolling country, not the mountains, and in rolling country I 
> don't have to use the granny.    A wide range double, on the other hand, 
> is shifted often. 
>
> However, everyone has to find gearing that they're happy with. There are 
> obviously some who can tolerate frequent wide-range crossovers, and -- 
> especially with the new breed of ultra wide range cassettes like the 
> 11-36 -- many whose needs are fully met by them. Personally, I think the 
> "standard" Riv 110/74 "compact triple" is a better solution for most 
> riders; but I'm not a STI user and I'm very familiar with this kind of 
> triple and don't find them even slightly "confusing." 
>
>
>

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