I think you guys have it pretty well covered but let me just say +1 to
mathematica page making me nervous +1 I don't like flash either +1 the
sage page is nice. ...

Maybe if there was some sort of cms/videos it would be great.  I had
no idea that the whole thing was static.  Maybe tack a little django-
cms on it or something and have a prominent link to a few screencasts.

Maybe if the background of the body had some semi-opaque math symbols
or 3d renderings.  I really like the site the way it is for the most
part and think that more underground rebels will be attracted to it
over the stock-commercial-schlock that is the mathematica webpage.
Hey!  They are using a table-based layout too.  What a bunch of
baloney!

But if that glassy nav bar really tickles pickles... idk, it just
seems so .. idk ..  I like the sage site.
http://www.wolfram.com/common/images2008/headerBackground.gif

On May 23, 10:05 pm, J Elaych <microsc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I just want to make sure to add my vote:  I think the Mathematica page
> sucks, for reasons that have already been posted here.  I decided to
> adopt Sage after the new page was up, but I remember the older page
> and can tell you that the new one is a big step forward.  It really
> makes
> Sage look like a professional project.
>
> Of course one can improve the page, but let's recognize that we're
> starting from a cool page already and not do anything to move
> backwards.
>
> On May 23, 3:43 pm, "Dr. David Kirkby" <david.kir...@onetel.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Jason Grout wrote:
> > > I think we have a very competent web designer that has done an
> > > outstanding job (you should see the old web page!).  I think what we
> > > need now is marketing ideas!  The big difference I see in a short glance
> > > between the two pages is that the MMA one screams "I AM MATH SOFTWARE
> > > AND YOU WANT TO USE ME! (and here's why you want to use me)", while the
> > > Sage page says, "I am a piece of software you may be interested in;
> > > here's lots of helpful information about me."
>
> > I think that pretty much sums it up. The Mathematica home page tells you
> > why you want to use Mathematica.
>
> > But the Mathematica page is also much more aesthetically pleasing. The
> > use of nice colours helps - I'm not convinced using only blue and black
> > is a good idea.
>
> > The Mathematica logo is very attractive. I know one can dismiss these as
> > irrelavant/unimportant, but I feel they give the impression the product
> > is more professional.
>
> > I personally don't find the flash on the Mathematica site irritating
> > (unlike some other sites that use flash), but I know it's not to
> > everyone's taste.
>
> > >> I do feel the current Sage page gives the wrong impression.
>
> > >> It's clear one needs to be quite artistic in designing good looking web
> > >> pages. It really is a specialist skill and not something likely to be
> > >> had someone who studied maths.
>
> > > I think we (collectively) definitely have the technical competence on
> > > board to implement whatever designs people come up with.  I think we
> > > (collectively) also have at least a decent amount of design experience
> > > and taste.  I think what we could use is a very experienced advertising
> > > person (or lots of good marketing ideas).  But I also get the impression
> > > that that is basically what you are suggesting.
>
> > I am sure some marketing ideas could be taken from the Mathematica,
> > Maple and MATLAB web pages. One might as well take the best ideas of
> > these sites and use them.
>
>

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