I have abstained from the thread but read quite a bit of it and I think that the idea there are really two issues is correct.
I have been thinking for a while but abstained because there is a lot of stuff already on the thread and we are at a stage where the signal/noise is quite low. So anyway since now I started: We should have a statement of intent on the kind of community we want to be. This is not a code of conduct this is the aspirations we have as a community. François > On 21/11/2014, at 18:38, Vincent Delecroix <20100.delecr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > In the form it was presented at the very beginning I am strongly > against. This is completely infantilizing. That is a good idea to make > a vote, but please make it clear what the vote is about... > > Vincent > > 2014-11-20 14:14 UTC−07:00, Bruno Grenet <bruno.gre...@gmail.com>: >> Dear all, >> >> I've read the whole thread, and I have the impress that there are two >> distinct issues that are addressed. That's part of the reason people >> don't agree I think on the proposals. The first issue is to make sure >> that there are no public insults on sage-devel, trac, etc. by organizing >> a procedure to deal with such events. The second issue is to make this >> "place" (sage-devel, trac, etc.) a friendly place where people, >> especially newcomers, feel good so that they want to contribute. >> >> The two issues are quite different, and we should as a first step make >> sure we know which one we want to address right now. I feel like the >> second one is more important since public insults are not real problem >> here. Any proposal with formal rules that people have to obey to if they >> do not want to be punished won't solve the second issue. In some sense, >> as soon as somebody feels insulted, it is too late. >> >> To me, the only thing that can be done is to have somewhere some advice >> to be as polite as possible, to make constructive comments and be kind >> with people, especially newcomers. Right, this sounds like common sense! >> But if people feel the need that it is written somewhere, why not? >> Personally, I'd rather call this "Advices" than "Code of Conduct" that >> sounds too formal to my taste... >> >> Cheers, >> Bruno >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "sage-devel" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-devel" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
