subject:"\"Re\\\: \\\[AFMUG\\\] Scary Letter\""

We need a like button here!!!

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On May 26, 2015, at 7:03 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> You guys are a riot and I know God is laughing. .hell He made the duckbill 
> platypus...now thats funny.  We had on business client install a ptp from his 
> business to his friends house.  They went from 6 users to 15it showed up 
> on cpe dhcp list and speeds slowed down.  I throttled them to 1mbps after two 
> calls from us.   He called to complain. .then threatened to cancel. We fired 
> him and shut down LAN port.  He called me a few choice words...oh 
> well...next...I should have asked if I could use his wife for a few days
> 
> Jaime Solorza
> 
>> On May 26, 2015 6:30 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>> Sharing salvation is against the AUP and grounds for termination.
>> 
>> ;)
>> Josh Reynolds
>> CIO, SPITwSPOTS
>> www.spitwspots.com
>>> On 05/26/2015 04:27 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>> Their product is eternal salvation. I wonder if we could bundle internet 
>>> with that? 
>>> Speaking of that, what does federal code say about sharing salvation? I bet 
>>> somewhere there's a politician trying to calculate a tax on it.
>>> 
>>>> On May 26, 2015 4:04 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>>> Those missions also develop a skill at knocking on doors and selling an 
>>>> idea or a product.  Leading to later in life becoming politicians or 
>>>> starting alarm companies.  But I digress.
>>>>  
>>>> I still remember living in Buenos Aires for 2 years as a kid, and 2 young 
>>>> Mormons knocked on our door.  Turns out they didn’t know how to give their 
>>>> speech in English, only Spanish, but they stayed for dinner.
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> From: TJ Trout
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:46 PM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
>>>>  
>>>> They are capitalists first, you can't feed the church on good will...
>>>>  
>>>>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>>> But don’t they also vow to help the less fortunate?  If they had more 
>>>>> food on the table than they could eat, wouldn’t they share with their 
>>>>> down-on-their-luck relative and neighbors?  Well, they have more Internet 
>>>>> than they can use (how much Internet can you use if you don’t watch 
>>>>> porn?)  So why waste the excess Internet when others are in need?  Does 
>>>>> McDonalds Arctic Circle stop you from taking a doggie bag and giving your 
>>>>> uneaten fries to the homeless?
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>> From: Chuck McCown
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:19 PM
>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
>>>>>  
>>>>> If you run a coax to the neighbors to use DirecTV or Comcast, they will 
>>>>> call it “theft of service”.  Criminal theft of service.  Federal code 
>>>>> specifically speaks to this.  Just piggybacking on the same idea with the 
>>>>> verbiage.
>>>>>  
>>>>> TWC says:
>>>>> It is illegal not only to steal cable services but also to assist others 
>>>>> to steal cable services. In fact, federal law provides for criminal 
>>>>> penalties and civil remedies against people who willfully assist others 
>>>>> to steal cable services. Such assistance can take the form of 
>>>>> distributing "pirate" cable television descrambling equipment, assisting 
>>>>> others to make unauthorized connections to cable systems, promoting the 
>>>>> free use of one's wireless broadband network, or assisting others to hack 
>>>>> into their modems and uncap them. Federal statutes prohibit the 
>>>>> assistance of theft of services offered over a cable system.
>>>>>  
>>>>> And it appears to be called “theft of service” if it is unwanted:
>>>>> http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/man-charged-with-theft-of-services-for-using-free-wifi-at-coffee-shop-in-for-a-brewed-awakening/
>>>>>  
>>>>> As far as the LDS folks go, it is not intended to scare them, it is 
>>>>> intended to trigger a guilty conscience.  They vow to be honest.  This is 
>>>>> intended to remind themthat this is not an honest behavior. 
>>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter

Don’t give Chuck ideas, that will become #6 in his letter.

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter

LOL!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On May 26, 2015 9:03 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

  You guys are a riot and I know God is laughing. .hell He made the duckbill 
platypus...now thats funny.  We had on business client install a ptp from his 
business to his friends house.  They went from 6 users to 15it showed up on 
cpe dhcp list and speeds slowed down.  I throttled them to 1mbps after two 
calls from us.   He called to complain. .then threatened to cancel. We fired 
him and shut down LAN port.  He called me a few choice words...oh 
well...next...I should have asked if I could use his wife for a few days

  Jaime Solorza

  On May 26, 2015 6:30 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

Sharing salvation is against the AUP and grounds for termination.

;)

Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.comOn 05/26/2015 04:27 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

  Their product is eternal salvation. I wonder if we could bundle internet 
with that? 
  Speaking of that, what does federal code say about sharing salvation? I 
bet somewhere there's a politician trying to calculate a tax on it.

  On May 26, 2015 4:04 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

Those missions also develop a skill at knocking on doors and selling an 
idea or a product.  Leading to later in life becoming politicians or starting 
alarm companies.  But I digress.

I still remember living in Buenos Aires for 2 years as a kid, and 2 
young Mormons knocked on our door.  Turns out they didn’t know how to give 
their speech in English, only Spanish, but they stayed for dinner.

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter

They are capitalists first, you can't feed the church on good will...

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  But don’t they also vow to help the less fortunate?  If they had more 
food on the table than they could eat, wouldn’t they share with their 
down-on-their-luck relative and neighbors?  Well, they have more Internet than 
they can use (how much Internet can you use if you don’t watch porn?)  So why 
waste the excess Internet when others are in need?  Does McDonalds Arctic 
Circle stop you from taking a doggie bag and giving your uneaten fries to the 
homeless?

  From: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:19 PM
      To: af@afmug.com 
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter

  If you run a coax to the neighbors to use DirecTV or Comcast, they 
will call it “theft of service”.  Criminal theft of service.  Federal code 
specifically speaks to this.  Just piggybacking on the same idea with the 
verbiage.

  TWC says:
  It is illegal not only to steal cable services but also to assist 
others to steal cable services. In fact, federal law provides for criminal 
penalties and civil remedies against people who willfully assist others to 
steal cable services. Such assistance can take the form of distributing 
"pirate" cable television descrambling equipment, assisting others to make 
unauthorized connections to cable systems, promoting the free use of one's 
wireless broadband network, or assisting others to hack into their modems and 
uncap them. Federal statutes prohibit the assistance of theft of services 
offered over a cable system.

  And it appears to be called “theft of service” if it is unwanted:

http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/man-charged-with-theft-of-services-for-using-free-wifi-at-coffee-shop-in-for-a-brewed-awakening/

  As far as the LDS folks go, it is not intended to scare them, it is 
intended to trigger a guilty conscience.  They vow to be honest.  This is 
intended to remind themthat this is not an honest behavior.  

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:03 PM
      To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter

  Not for me.  I would avoid the whole theft of service approach.  I 
think you are on shaky legal ground, plus it sounds lame unless LDS folks 
really are easily scared.

  Say it is against the Terms of Service they agreed to, and will 
result in disconnection of service.  That doesn’t mean it is a crime.

  The better approach is probably that unsecured WiFi lets anyone 
within range capture everything you transmit without encryption, allows them 
access to your network and router on the trusted side of your firewall making 
it much easier for hackers, and as you mentioned could cause law enforcement to 
blame you for bad things someone else did on the Internet via your IP address.

  From: Chuc

Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter

2015-05-26 Thread Josh Luthman

LOL!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On May 26, 2015 9:03 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> You guys are a riot and I know God is laughing. .hell He made the duckbill
> platypus...now thats funny.  We had on business client install a ptp from
> his business to his friends house.  They went from 6 users to 15it
> showed up on cpe dhcp list and speeds slowed down.  I throttled them to
> 1mbps after two calls from us.   He called to complain. .then threatened to
> cancel. We fired him and shut down LAN port.  He called me a few choice
> words...oh well...next...I should have asked if I could use his wife for a
> few days
>
> Jaime Solorza
> On May 26, 2015 6:30 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
>>  Sharing salvation is against the AUP and grounds for termination.
>>
>> ;)
>>
>> Josh Reynolds
>> CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com
>>
>> On 05/26/2015 04:27 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>
>> Their product is eternal salvation. I wonder if we could bundle internet
>> with that?
>> Speaking of that, what does federal code say about sharing salvation? I
>> bet somewhere there's a politician trying to calculate a tax on it.
>> On May 26, 2015 4:04 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>
>>>   Those missions also develop a skill at knocking on doors and selling
>>> an idea or a product.  Leading to later in life becoming politicians or
>>> starting alarm companies.  But I digress.
>>>
>>> I still remember living in Buenos Aires for 2 years as a kid, and 2
>>> young Mormons knocked on our door.  Turns out they didn’t know how to give
>>> their speech in English, only Spanish, but they stayed for dinner.
>>>
>>>
>>>  *From:* TJ Trout 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:46 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
>>>
>>>  They are capitalists first, you can't feed the church on good will...
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
>>>>   But don’t they also vow to help the less fortunate?  If they had
>>>> more food on the table than they could eat, wouldn’t they share with their
>>>> down-on-their-luck relative and neighbors?  Well, they have more Internet
>>>> than they can use (how much Internet can you use if you don’t watch porn?)
>>>> So why waste the excess Internet when others are in need?  Does
>>>> McDonalds Arctic Circle stop you from taking a doggie bag and giving
>>>> your uneaten fries to the homeless?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  *From:* Chuck McCown 
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:19 PM
>>>>  *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
>>>>
>>>>   If you run a coax to the neighbors to use DirecTV or Comcast, they
>>>> will call it “theft of service”.  Criminal theft of service.  Federal code
>>>> specifically speaks to this.  Just piggybacking on the same idea with the
>>>> verbiage.
>>>>
>>>> TWC says:
>>>> It is illegal not only to steal cable services but also to assist
>>>> others to steal cable services. In fact, federal law provides for criminal
>>>> penalties and civil remedies against people who willfully assist others to
>>>> steal cable services. Such assistance can take the form of distributing
>>>> "pirate" cable television descrambling equipment, assisting others to make
>>>> unauthorized connections to cable systems, promoting the free use of one's
>>>> wireless broadband network, or assisting others to hack into their modems
>>>> and uncap them. Federal statutes prohibit the assistance of theft of
>>>> services offered over a cable system.
>>>>
>>>> And it appears to be called “theft of service” if it is unwanted:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/man-charged-with-theft-of-services-for-using-free-wifi-at-coffee-shop-in-for-a-brewed-awakening/
>>>>
>>>> As far as the LDS folks go, it is not intended to scare them, it is
>>>> intended to trigger a guilty conscience.  They vow to be honest.  This is
>>>> intended to remind themthat this is not an honest behavior.
>>>>
>>>>  *From:* Ken Hohhof 
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:03 PM
>>>>  *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
>>>>
>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter

2015-05-26 Thread Jaime Solorza

You guys are a riot and I know God is laughing. .hell He made the duckbill
platypus...now thats funny.  We had on business client install a ptp from
his business to his friends house.  They went from 6 users to 15it
showed up on cpe dhcp list and speeds slowed down.  I throttled them to
1mbps after two calls from us.   He called to complain. .then threatened to
cancel. We fired him and shut down LAN port.  He called me a few choice
words...oh well...next...I should have asked if I could use his wife for a
few days

Jaime Solorza
On May 26, 2015 6:30 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

>  Sharing salvation is against the AUP and grounds for termination.
>
> ;)
>
> Josh Reynolds
> CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com
>
> On 05/26/2015 04:27 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> Their product is eternal salvation. I wonder if we could bundle internet
> with that?
> Speaking of that, what does federal code say about sharing salvation? I
> bet somewhere there's a politician trying to calculate a tax on it.
> On May 26, 2015 4:04 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
>>   Those missions also develop a skill at knocking on doors and selling
>> an idea or a product.  Leading to later in life becoming politicians or
>> starting alarm companies.  But I digress.
>>
>> I still remember living in Buenos Aires for 2 years as a kid, and 2 young
>> Mormons knocked on our door.  Turns out they didn’t know how to give their
>> speech in English, only Spanish, but they stayed for dinner.
>>
>>
>>  *From:* TJ Trout 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:46 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
>>
>>  They are capitalists first, you can't feed the church on good will...
>>
>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>>   But don’t they also vow to help the less fortunate?  If they had more
>>> food on the table than they could eat, wouldn’t they share with their
>>> down-on-their-luck relative and neighbors?  Well, they have more Internet
>>> than they can use (how much Internet can you use if you don’t watch porn?)
>>> So why waste the excess Internet when others are in need?  Does
>>> McDonalds Arctic Circle stop you from taking a doggie bag and giving
>>> your uneaten fries to the homeless?
>>>
>>>
>>>  *From:* Chuck McCown 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:19 PM
>>>  *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
>>>
>>>   If you run a coax to the neighbors to use DirecTV or Comcast, they
>>> will call it “theft of service”.  Criminal theft of service.  Federal code
>>> specifically speaks to this.  Just piggybacking on the same idea with the
>>> verbiage.
>>>
>>> TWC says:
>>> It is illegal not only to steal cable services but also to assist others
>>> to steal cable services. In fact, federal law provides for criminal
>>> penalties and civil remedies against people who willfully assist others to
>>> steal cable services. Such assistance can take the form of distributing
>>> "pirate" cable television descrambling equipment, assisting others to make
>>> unauthorized connections to cable systems, promoting the free use of one's
>>> wireless broadband network, or assisting others to hack into their modems
>>> and uncap them. Federal statutes prohibit the assistance of theft of
>>> services offered over a cable system.
>>>
>>> And it appears to be called “theft of service” if it is unwanted:
>>>
>>> http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/man-charged-with-theft-of-services-for-using-free-wifi-at-coffee-shop-in-for-a-brewed-awakening/
>>>
>>> As far as the LDS folks go, it is not intended to scare them, it is
>>> intended to trigger a guilty conscience.  They vow to be honest.  This is
>>> intended to remind themthat this is not an honest behavior.
>>>
>>>  *From:* Ken Hohhof 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:03 PM
>>>  *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
>>>
>>>Not for me.  I would avoid the whole theft of service approach.  I
>>> think you are on shaky legal ground, plus it sounds lame unless LDS folks
>>> really are easily scared.
>>>
>>> Say it is against the Terms of Service they agreed to, and will result
>>> in disconnection of service.  That doesn’t mean it is a crime.
>>>
>>> The better approach is probably that unsecured WiFi lets anyone within
>>> range capture everything you transmit without enc

Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter

2015-05-26 Thread Josh Reynolds

Sharing salvation is against the AUP and grounds for termination.

;)

Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com

On 05/26/2015 04:27 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

Their product is eternal salvation. I wonder if we could bundle
internet with that?
Speaking of that, what does federal code say about sharing salvation?
I bet somewhere there's a politician trying to calculate a tax on it.

On May 26, 2015 4:04 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Those missions also develop a skill at knocking on doors and
selling an idea or a product. Leading to later in life becoming
politicians or starting alarm companies. But I digress.
I still remember living in Buenos Aires for 2 years as a kid, and
2 young Mormons knocked on our door. Turns out they didn’t know
how to give their speech in English, only Spanish, but they stayed
for dinner.
*From:* TJ Trout <mailto:t...@voltbb.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:46 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
They are capitalists first, you can't feed the church on good will...
On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

But don’t they also vow to help the less fortunate? If they
had more food on the table than they could eat, wouldn’t they
share with their down-on-their-luck relative and neighbors?
Well, they have more Internet than they can use (how much

Internet can you use if you don’t watch porn?) So why waste
the excess Internet when others are in need? Does McDonalds
Arctic Circle stop you from taking a doggie bag and giving
your uneaten fries to the homeless?
*From:* Chuck McCown <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:19 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
If you run a coax to the neighbors to use DirecTV or Comcast,
they will call it “theft of service”. Criminal theft of
service. Federal code specifically speaks to this. Just
piggybacking on the same idea with the verbiage.
TWC says:
It is illegal not only to steal cable services but also to
assist others to steal cable services. In fact, federal law
provides for criminal penalties and civil remedies against
people who willfully assist others to steal cable services.
Such assistance can take the form of distributing "pirate"
cable television descrambling equipment, assisting others to
make unauthorized connections to cable systems, promoting the
free use of one's wireless broadband network, or assisting
others to hack into their modems and uncap them. Federal
statutes prohibit the assistance of theft of services offered
over a cable system.
And it appears to be called “theft of service” if it is unwanted:

http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/man-charged-with-theft-of-services-for-using-free-wifi-at-coffee-shop-in-for-a-brewed-awakening/
As far as the LDS folks go, it is not intended to scare them,
it is intended to trigger a guilty conscience. They vow to be
honest. This is intended to remind themthat this is not an
honest behavior.
*From:* Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:03 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
Not for me. I would avoid the whole theft of service
approach. I think you are on shaky legal ground, plus it
sounds lame unless LDS folks really are easily scared.
Say it is against the Terms of Service they agreed to, and
will result in disconnection of service. That doesn’t mean it
is a crime.
The better approach is probably that unsecured WiFi lets
anyone within range capture everything you transmit without
encryption, allows them access to your network and router on
the trusted side of your firewall making it much easier for
hackers, and as you mentioned could cause law enforcement to
blame you for bad things someone else did on the Internet via
your IP address.
*From:* Chuck McCown <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:39 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
Brett, Ken does this wording work better?
5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead
of purchasing service for their own house is a crime called
“Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in this theft and
jeopardizing your own service as well.

Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter

2015-05-26 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

Their product is eternal salvation. I wonder if we could bundle internet
with that?
Speaking of that, what does federal code say about sharing salvation? I bet
somewhere there's a politician trying to calculate a tax on it.
On May 26, 2015 4:04 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

>   Those missions also develop a skill at knocking on doors and selling an
> idea or a product.  Leading to later in life becoming politicians or
> starting alarm companies.  But I digress.
>
> I still remember living in Buenos Aires for 2 years as a kid, and 2 young
> Mormons knocked on our door.  Turns out they didn’t know how to give their
> speech in English, only Spanish, but they stayed for dinner.
>
>
>  *From:* TJ Trout 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:46 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
>
>  They are capitalists first, you can't feed the church on good will...
>
> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>>   But don’t they also vow to help the less fortunate?  If they had more
>> food on the table than they could eat, wouldn’t they share with their
>> down-on-their-luck relative and neighbors?  Well, they have more Internet
>> than they can use (how much Internet can you use if you don’t watch porn?)
>> So why waste the excess Internet when others are in need?  Does McDonalds
>> Arctic Circle stop you from taking a doggie bag and giving your uneaten
>> fries to the homeless?
>>
>>
>>  *From:* Chuck McCown 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:19 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
>>
>>   If you run a coax to the neighbors to use DirecTV or Comcast, they
>> will call it “theft of service”.  Criminal theft of service.  Federal code
>> specifically speaks to this.  Just piggybacking on the same idea with the
>> verbiage.
>>
>> TWC says:
>> It is illegal not only to steal cable services but also to assist others
>> to steal cable services. In fact, federal law provides for criminal
>> penalties and civil remedies against people who willfully assist others to
>> steal cable services. Such assistance can take the form of distributing
>> "pirate" cable television descrambling equipment, assisting others to make
>> unauthorized connections to cable systems, promoting the free use of one's
>> wireless broadband network, or assisting others to hack into their modems
>> and uncap them. Federal statutes prohibit the assistance of theft of
>> services offered over a cable system.
>>
>> And it appears to be called “theft of service” if it is unwanted:
>>
>> http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/man-charged-with-theft-of-services-for-using-free-wifi-at-coffee-shop-in-for-a-brewed-awakening/
>>
>> As far as the LDS folks go, it is not intended to scare them, it is
>> intended to trigger a guilty conscience.  They vow to be honest.  This is
>> intended to remind themthat this is not an honest behavior.
>>
>>  *From:* Ken Hohhof 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:03 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
>>
>>   Not for me.  I would avoid the whole theft of service approach.  I
>> think you are on shaky legal ground, plus it sounds lame unless LDS folks
>> really are easily scared.
>>
>> Say it is against the Terms of Service they agreed to, and will result in
>> disconnection of service.  That doesn’t mean it is a crime.
>>
>> The better approach is probably that unsecured WiFi lets anyone within
>> range capture everything you transmit without encryption, allows them
>> access to your network and router on the trusted side of your firewall
>> making it much easier for hackers, and as you mentioned could cause law
>> enforcement to blame you for bad things someone else did on the Internet
>> via your IP address.
>>
>>
>>  *From:* Chuck McCown 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:39 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
>>
>>   Brett, Ken  does this wording work better?
>>
>> 5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of
>> purchasing service for their own house  is a crime called “Theft of
>> Service”.  You are collaborating in this theft and jeopardizing your own
>> service as well.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter

Those missions also develop a skill at knocking on doors and selling an idea or 
a product.  Leading to later in life becoming politicians or starting alarm 
companies.  But I digress.

I still remember living in Buenos Aires for 2 years as a kid, and 2 young 
Mormons knocked on our door.  Turns out they didn’t know how to give their 
speech in English, only Spanish, but they stayed for dinner.


From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter

They are capitalists first, you can't feed the church on good will...

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  But don’t they also vow to help the less fortunate?  If they had more food on 
the table than they could eat, wouldn’t they share with their 
down-on-their-luck relative and neighbors?  Well, they have more Internet than 
they can use (how much Internet can you use if you don’t watch porn?)  So why 
waste the excess Internet when others are in need?  Does McDonalds Arctic 
Circle stop you from taking a doggie bag and giving your uneaten fries to the 
homeless?


  From: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:19 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter

  If you run a coax to the neighbors to use DirecTV or Comcast, they will call 
it “theft of service”.  Criminal theft of service.  Federal code specifically 
speaks to this.  Just piggybacking on the same idea with the verbiage.

  TWC says:
  It is illegal not only to steal cable services but also to assist others to 
steal cable services. In fact, federal law provides for criminal penalties and 
civil remedies against people who willfully assist others to steal cable 
services. Such assistance can take the form of distributing "pirate" cable 
television descrambling equipment, assisting others to make unauthorized 
connections to cable systems, promoting the free use of one's wireless 
broadband network, or assisting others to hack into their modems and uncap 
them. Federal statutes prohibit the assistance of theft of services offered 
over a cable system.

  And it appears to be called “theft of service” if it is unwanted:
  
http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/man-charged-with-theft-of-services-for-using-free-wifi-at-coffee-shop-in-for-a-brewed-awakening/

  As far as the LDS folks go, it is not intended to scare them, it is intended 
to trigger a guilty conscience.  They vow to be honest.  This is intended to 
remind themthat this is not an honest behavior.  

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:03 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter

  Not for me.  I would avoid the whole theft of service approach.  I think you 
are on shaky legal ground, plus it sounds lame unless LDS folks really are 
easily scared.

  Say it is against the Terms of Service they agreed to, and will result in 
disconnection of service.  That doesn’t mean it is a crime.

  The better approach is probably that unsecured WiFi lets anyone within range 
capture everything you transmit without encryption, allows them access to your 
network and router on the trusted side of your firewall making it much easier 
for hackers, and as you mentioned could cause law enforcement to blame you for 
bad things someone else did on the Internet via your IP address.


  From: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:39 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter

  Brett, Ken  does this wording work better?

  5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing 
service for their own house  is a crime called “Theft of Service”.  You are 
collaborating in this theft and jeopardizing your own service as well.

Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter

2015-05-26 Thread TJ Trout

They are capitalists first, you can't feed the church on good will...

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

>   But don’t they also vow to help the less fortunate?  If they had more
> food on the table than they could eat, wouldn’t they share with their
> down-on-their-luck relative and neighbors?  Well, they have more Internet
> than they can use (how much Internet can you use if you don’t watch porn?)
> So why waste the excess Internet when others are in need?  Does McDonalds
> Arctic Circle stop you from taking a doggie bag and giving your uneaten
> fries to the homeless?
>
>
>  *From:* Chuck McCown 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
>
>   If you run a coax to the neighbors to use DirecTV or Comcast, they will
> call it “theft of service”.  Criminal theft of service.  Federal code
> specifically speaks to this.  Just piggybacking on the same idea with the
> verbiage.
>
> TWC says:
> It is illegal not only to steal cable services but also to assist others
> to steal cable services. In fact, federal law provides for criminal
> penalties and civil remedies against people who willfully assist others to
> steal cable services. Such assistance can take the form of distributing
> "pirate" cable television descrambling equipment, assisting others to make
> unauthorized connections to cable systems, promoting the free use of one's
> wireless broadband network, or assisting others to hack into their modems
> and uncap them. Federal statutes prohibit the assistance of theft of
> services offered over a cable system.
>
> And it appears to be called “theft of service” if it is unwanted:
>
> http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/man-charged-with-theft-of-services-for-using-free-wifi-at-coffee-shop-in-for-a-brewed-awakening/
>
> As far as the LDS folks go, it is not intended to scare them, it is
> intended to trigger a guilty conscience.  They vow to be honest.  This is
> intended to remind themthat this is not an honest behavior.
>
>  *From:* Ken Hohhof 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:03 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
>
>   Not for me.  I would avoid the whole theft of service approach.  I
> think you are on shaky legal ground, plus it sounds lame unless LDS folks
> really are easily scared.
>
> Say it is against the Terms of Service they agreed to, and will result in
> disconnection of service.  That doesn’t mean it is a crime.
>
> The better approach is probably that unsecured WiFi lets anyone within
> range capture everything you transmit without encryption, allows them
> access to your network and router on the trusted side of your firewall
> making it much easier for hackers, and as you mentioned could cause law
> enforcement to blame you for bad things someone else did on the Internet
> via your IP address.
>
>
>  *From:* Chuck McCown 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:39 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
>
>   Brett, Ken  does this wording work better?
>
> 5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of
> purchasing service for their own house  is a crime called “Theft of
> Service”.  You are collaborating in this theft and jeopardizing your own
> service as well.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter

If you run a coax to the neighbors to use DirecTV or Comcast, they will call it 
“theft of service”.  Criminal theft of service.  Federal code specifically 
speaks to this.  Just piggybacking on the same idea with the verbiage.

TWC says:
It is illegal not only to steal cable services but also to assist others to 
steal cable services. In fact, federal law provides for criminal penalties and 
civil remedies against people who willfully assist others to steal cable 
services. Such assistance can take the form of distributing "pirate" cable 
television descrambling equipment, assisting others to make unauthorized 
connections to cable systems, promoting the free use of one's wireless 
broadband network, or assisting others to hack into their modems and uncap 
them. Federal statutes prohibit the assistance of theft of services offered 
over a cable system.

And it appears to be called “theft of service” if it is unwanted:
http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/man-charged-with-theft-of-services-for-using-free-wifi-at-coffee-shop-in-for-a-brewed-awakening/

As far as the LDS folks go, it is not intended to scare them, it is intended to 
trigger a guilty conscience.  They vow to be honest.  This is intended to 
remind themthat this is not an honest behavior.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter

Not for me.  I would avoid the whole theft of service approach.  I think you 
are on shaky legal ground, plus it sounds lame unless LDS folks really are 
easily scared.

Say it is against the Terms of Service they agreed to, and will result in 
disconnection of service.  That doesn’t mean it is a crime.

The better approach is probably that unsecured WiFi lets anyone within range 
capture everything you transmit without encryption, allows them access to your 
network and router on the trusted side of your firewall making it much easier 
for hackers, and as you mentioned could cause law enforcement to blame you for 
bad things someone else did on the Internet via your IP address.


From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter

Brett, Ken  does this wording work better?

5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing 
service for their own house  is a crime called “Theft of Service”.  You are 
collaborating in this theft and jeopardizing your own service as well.

Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter

But don’t they also vow to help the less fortunate?  If they had more food on 
the table than they could eat, wouldn’t they share with their 
down-on-their-luck relative and neighbors?  Well, they have more Internet than 
they can use (how much Internet can you use if you don’t watch porn?)  So why 
waste the excess Internet when others are in need?  Does McDonalds Arctic 
Circle stop you from taking a doggie bag and giving your uneaten fries to the 
homeless?


From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter

If you run a coax to the neighbors to use DirecTV or Comcast, they will call it 
“theft of service”.  Criminal theft of service.  Federal code specifically 
speaks to this.  Just piggybacking on the same idea with the verbiage.

TWC says:
It is illegal not only to steal cable services but also to assist others to 
steal cable services. In fact, federal law provides for criminal penalties and 
civil remedies against people who willfully assist others to steal cable 
services. Such assistance can take the form of distributing "pirate" cable 
television descrambling equipment, assisting others to make unauthorized 
connections to cable systems, promoting the free use of one's wireless 
broadband network, or assisting others to hack into their modems and uncap 
them. Federal statutes prohibit the assistance of theft of services offered 
over a cable system.

And it appears to be called “theft of service” if it is unwanted:
http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/man-charged-with-theft-of-services-for-using-free-wifi-at-coffee-shop-in-for-a-brewed-awakening/

As far as the LDS folks go, it is not intended to scare them, it is intended to 
trigger a guilty conscience.  They vow to be honest.  This is intended to 
remind themthat this is not an honest behavior.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter

Not for me.  I would avoid the whole theft of service approach.  I think you 
are on shaky legal ground, plus it sounds lame unless LDS folks really are 
easily scared.

Say it is against the Terms of Service they agreed to, and will result in 
disconnection of service.  That doesn’t mean it is a crime.

The better approach is probably that unsecured WiFi lets anyone within range 
capture everything you transmit without encryption, allows them access to your 
network and router on the trusted side of your firewall making it much easier 
for hackers, and as you mentioned could cause law enforcement to blame you for 
bad things someone else did on the Internet via your IP address.


From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter

Brett, Ken  does this wording work better?

5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing 
service for their own house  is a crime called “Theft of Service”.  You are 
collaborating in this theft and jeopardizing your own service as well.

Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter

Not for me.  I would avoid the whole theft of service approach.  I think you 
are on shaky legal ground, plus it sounds lame unless LDS folks really are 
easily scared.

Say it is against the Terms of Service they agreed to, and will result in 
disconnection of service.  That doesn’t mean it is a crime.

The better approach is probably that unsecured WiFi lets anyone within range 
capture everything you transmit without encryption, allows them access to your 
network and router on the trusted side of your firewall making it much easier 
for hackers, and as you mentioned could cause law enforcement to blame you for 
bad things someone else did on the Internet via your IP address.


From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter

Brett, Ken  does this wording work better?

5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing 
service for their own house  is a crime called “Theft of Service”.  You are 
collaborating in this theft and jeopardizing your own service as well.

Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter

I changed it to you could be arrested.  

From: Brett A Mansfield 
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 1:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter

I like both. I was unsure this is what was meant, but this makes it very clear. 

Thank you, 
Brett A Mansfield

On May 26, 2015, at 1:40 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm  
wrote:

  5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing 
service for their own house  is a crime called “Theft of Service”.  You are 
collaborating in this theft and jeopardizing your own service as well.  If they 
are downloading child porn, you will be arrested. 

  On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Brett, Ken  does this wording work better?

5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing 
service for their own house  is a crime called “Theft of Service”.  You are 
collaborating in this theft and jeopardizing your own service as well.  

  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter

I like both. I was unsure this is what was meant, but this makes it very clear. 

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On May 26, 2015, at 1:40 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>  wrote:
> 
> 5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing 
> service for their own house  is a crime called “Theft of Service”.  You are 
> collaborating in this theft and jeopardizing your own service as well.  If 
> they are downloading child porn, you will be arrested. 
> 
>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>> Brett, Ken  does this wording work better?
>>  
>> 5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing 
>> service for their own house  is a crime called “Theft of Service”.  You are 
>> collaborating in this theft and jeopardizing your own service as well. 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter

2015-05-26 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing
service for their own house  is a crime called “Theft of Service”.  You are
collaborating in this theft and jeopardizing your own service as well.  If
they are downloading child porn, you will be arrested.

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

>   Brett, Ken  does this wording work better?
>
> 5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of
> purchasing service for their own house  is a crime called “Theft of
> Service”.  You are collaborating in this theft and jeopardizing your own
> service as well.
>
>
>

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter

Brett, Ken  does this wording work better?

5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing 
service for their own house  is a crime called “Theft of Service”.  You are 
collaborating in this theft and jeopardizing your own service as well.

Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter

I am talking about letting all your neighbors use your connection in lieu of 
having their own.  Perhaps I am not very clear about that.


If your AUP says you cannot share this connection with others, and you do, 
then you are sharing something you do not have the right to share.  In the 
public utility world, that is called theft of service.  Same as tapping your 
power meter ahead of your meter or after your meter if it is flat rate.




-Original Message- 
From: Brett A Mansfield

Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 12:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter

I do serve in a predominantly Mormon community. I myself am LDS. I agree 
that #5 should be ousted. It's not theft of service if they have family or 
friends staying with them for a short time. Or if they are even just 
visiting for an hour.


If they are renting out a basement apartment though, then they should have 
two separate accounts.


If they don't secure their wifi and I find out about I first send an email 
giving them 24 hours to secure it or their service gets shut off.


Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield


On May 26, 2015, at 12:25 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

But you don't serve in a predominantly Mormon community where the majority 
of people have pledged to be fair and honest in dealing with their fellow 
men.  Trying to poke at the religion button there


-Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 12:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter

IMHO the wording of #1 makes you sound too much like an evil ISP.  I would
say "appears to law enforcement" not "appears to us".

Actually, we just say in our TOS that WiFi routers must be secured and not
available for use by the general public.  We also say the customer is
responsible for making sure that all users abide by our AUP, which of 
course

is not possible if they run an open hotspot for anyone to use.

I would get rid of #5, anyone under 30 is likely to scoff at the legal 
basis

for "Theft of Service" and will just get pissed off at you.  Seriously,
under 30 or not, no one sees using someone's unsecured WiFi as illegal, in
fact many  phones will connect to any unsecured WiFi by default.


-Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 1:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Scary Letter

Every so often, I send out something similar to the text below.
Critiques welcome


A WIRELESS ROUTER IS AN OPEN DOOR TO YOUR HOME

Most people use a wireless router so they can use their handheld devices.
Wireless routers are great, but there are some very important reasons they
need to be locked down with strong passwords:

1)  An open WiFi router or sharing your router password allows others 
to

do illegal things that will be traced with you.  Direct Communications
cooperates with law enforcement authorities to track down internet sexual
predators.  If the predator is parked near your house using your WiFi 
signal

from their car, it appears to us to be coming from your home.  What will
happen is that the authorities will kick down the door at your house.


2)  Outsiders can use your Wifi to attack others or to hack into other’s
computers and accounts.  With a strong antenna they can be a half mile 
away

and still use your WiFi.  Again, the activity will register as happening
inside your home.


3)  A sophisticated hacker can take over your computers in your home 
and

make them repositories and servers for child porn, stolen credit card
numbers or any of a plethora of illegal information.  You would not even
know it was happening in many cases.


4)  An open router allows outsiders to actually see what web pages and
other content you are looking at.


5)  Allowing a friend of neighbor to use your WiFi connection and your
internet account is called “Theft of Service”.  You are collaborating in
allowing them to commit a crime and your are jeopardizing your own service
too.

Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter

2015-05-26 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

"child porn" If you can inject those two words into a menace letter, you
will never get an argument. If you do, you know to make sure that account
has a static IP that is well documented for the feds.

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> We see the problem with neighbors that are close enough to connect.   We
> caught a guy doing that and change the sensitivity level to the point where
> that didn't work.  He even put a bigger antenna on there to help his
> neighbor.
>
> Rory
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 11:33 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
>
> I do serve in a predominantly Mormon community. I myself am LDS. I agree
> that #5 should be ousted. It's not theft of service if they have family or
> friends staying with them for a short time. Or if they are even just
> visiting for an hour.
>
> If they are renting out a basement apartment though, then they should have
> two separate accounts.
>
> If they don't secure their wifi and I find out about I first send an email
> giving them 24 hours to secure it or their service gets shut off.
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
>
> > On May 26, 2015, at 12:25 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> >
> > But you don't serve in a predominantly Mormon community where the
> majority of people have pledged to be fair and honest in dealing with their
> fellow men.  Trying to poke at the religion button there....
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 12:21 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
> >
> > IMHO the wording of #1 makes you sound too much like an evil ISP.  I
> > would say "appears to law enforcement" not "appears to us".
> >
> > Actually, we just say in our TOS that WiFi routers must be secured and
> > not available for use by the general public.  We also say the customer
> > is responsible for making sure that all users abide by our AUP, which
> > of course is not possible if they run an open hotspot for anyone to use.
> >
> > I would get rid of #5, anyone under 30 is likely to scoff at the legal
> > basis for "Theft of Service" and will just get pissed off at you.
> > Seriously, under 30 or not, no one sees using someone's unsecured WiFi
> > as illegal, in fact many  phones will connect to any unsecured WiFi by
> default.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 1:01 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
> >
> > Every so often, I send out something similar to the text below.
> > Critiques welcome
> >
> >
> > A WIRELESS ROUTER IS AN OPEN DOOR TO YOUR HOME
> >
> > Most people use a wireless router so they can use their handheld devices.
> > Wireless routers are great, but there are some very important reasons
> > they need to be locked down with strong passwords:
> >
> > 1)  An open WiFi router or sharing your router password allows
> others to
> > do illegal things that will be traced with you.  Direct Communications
> > cooperates with law enforcement authorities to track down internet
> > sexual predators.  If the predator is parked near your house using
> > your WiFi signal from their car, it appears to us to be coming from
> > your home.  What will happen is that the authorities will kick down the
> door at your house.
> >
> >
> > 2)  Outsiders can use your Wifi to attack others or to hack into
> other’s
> > computers and accounts.  With a strong antenna they can be a half mile
> > away and still use your WiFi.  Again, the activity will register as
> > happening inside your home.
> >
> >
> > 3)  A sophisticated hacker can take over your computers in your home
> and
> > make them repositories and servers for child porn, stolen credit card
> > numbers or any of a plethora of illegal information.  You would not
> > even know it was happening in many cases.
> >
> >
> > 4)  An open router allows outsiders to actually see what web pages
> and
> > other content you are looking at.
> >
> >
> > 5)  Allowing a friend of neighbor to use your WiFi connection and
> your
> > internet account is called “Theft of Service”.  You are collaborating
> > in allowing them to commit a crime and your are jeopardizing your own
> > service too.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter

I've had a customer that shared their internet connection using a nanostation 
loco M5 with a customer down the street. It was on the same frequency as the 
radio I installed. They called complaining about speed issues and that's how I 
found out. I refused them service from then on.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On May 26, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:
> 
> We see the problem with neighbors that are close enough to connect.   We 
> caught a guy doing that and change the sensitivity level to the point where 
> that didn't work.  He even put a bigger antenna on there to help his 
> neighbor.  
> 
> Rory
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 11:33 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
> 
> I do serve in a predominantly Mormon community. I myself am LDS. I agree that 
> #5 should be ousted. It's not theft of service if they have family or friends 
> staying with them for a short time. Or if they are even just visiting for an 
> hour.
> 
> If they are renting out a basement apartment though, then they should have 
> two separate accounts. 
> 
> If they don't secure their wifi and I find out about I first send an email 
> giving them 24 hours to secure it or their service gets shut off.
> 
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
> 
>> On May 26, 2015, at 12:25 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>> 
>> But you don't serve in a predominantly Mormon community where the majority 
>> of people have pledged to be fair and honest in dealing with their fellow 
>> men.  Trying to poke at the religion button there
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 12:21 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
>> 
>> IMHO the wording of #1 makes you sound too much like an evil ISP.  I 
>> would say "appears to law enforcement" not "appears to us".
>> 
>> Actually, we just say in our TOS that WiFi routers must be secured and 
>> not available for use by the general public.  We also say the customer 
>> is responsible for making sure that all users abide by our AUP, which 
>> of course is not possible if they run an open hotspot for anyone to use.
>> 
>> I would get rid of #5, anyone under 30 is likely to scoff at the legal 
>> basis for "Theft of Service" and will just get pissed off at you.  
>> Seriously, under 30 or not, no one sees using someone's unsecured WiFi 
>> as illegal, in fact many  phones will connect to any unsecured WiFi by 
>> default.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 1:01 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
>> 
>> Every so often, I send out something similar to the text below.
>> Critiques welcome
>> 
>> 
>> A WIRELESS ROUTER IS AN OPEN DOOR TO YOUR HOME
>> 
>> Most people use a wireless router so they can use their handheld devices.
>> Wireless routers are great, but there are some very important reasons 
>> they need to be locked down with strong passwords:
>> 
>> 1)  An open WiFi router or sharing your router password allows others to
>> do illegal things that will be traced with you.  Direct Communications 
>> cooperates with law enforcement authorities to track down internet 
>> sexual predators.  If the predator is parked near your house using 
>> your WiFi signal from their car, it appears to us to be coming from 
>> your home.  What will happen is that the authorities will kick down the door 
>> at your house.
>> 
>> 
>> 2)  Outsiders can use your Wifi to attack others or to hack into other’s
>> computers and accounts.  With a strong antenna they can be a half mile 
>> away and still use your WiFi.  Again, the activity will register as 
>> happening inside your home.
>> 
>> 
>> 3)  A sophisticated hacker can take over your computers in your home and
>> make them repositories and servers for child porn, stolen credit card 
>> numbers or any of a plethora of illegal information.  You would not 
>> even know it was happening in many cases.
>> 
>> 
>> 4)  An open router allows outsiders to actually see what web pages and
>> other content you are looking at.
>> 
>> 
>> 5)  Allowing a friend of neighbor to use your WiFi connection and your
>> internet account is called “Theft of Service”.  You are collaborating 
>> in allowing them to commit a crime and your are jeopardizing your own 
>> service too.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter

2015-05-26 Thread Rory Conaway

We see the problem with neighbors that are close enough to connect.   We caught 
a guy doing that and change the sensitivity level to the point where that 
didn't work.  He even put a bigger antenna on there to help his neighbor.  

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 11:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter

I do serve in a predominantly Mormon community. I myself am LDS. I agree that 
#5 should be ousted. It's not theft of service if they have family or friends 
staying with them for a short time. Or if they are even just visiting for an 
hour.

If they are renting out a basement apartment though, then they should have two 
separate accounts. 

If they don't secure their wifi and I find out about I first send an email 
giving them 24 hours to secure it or their service gets shut off.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On May 26, 2015, at 12:25 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> But you don't serve in a predominantly Mormon community where the majority of 
> people have pledged to be fair and honest in dealing with their fellow men.  
> Trying to poke at the religion button there
> 
> -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 12:21 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
> 
> IMHO the wording of #1 makes you sound too much like an evil ISP.  I 
> would say "appears to law enforcement" not "appears to us".
> 
> Actually, we just say in our TOS that WiFi routers must be secured and 
> not available for use by the general public.  We also say the customer 
> is responsible for making sure that all users abide by our AUP, which 
> of course is not possible if they run an open hotspot for anyone to use.
> 
> I would get rid of #5, anyone under 30 is likely to scoff at the legal 
> basis for "Theft of Service" and will just get pissed off at you.  
> Seriously, under 30 or not, no one sees using someone's unsecured WiFi 
> as illegal, in fact many  phones will connect to any unsecured WiFi by 
> default.
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 1:01 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
> 
> Every so often, I send out something similar to the text below.
> Critiques welcome
> 
> 
> A WIRELESS ROUTER IS AN OPEN DOOR TO YOUR HOME
> 
> Most people use a wireless router so they can use their handheld devices.
> Wireless routers are great, but there are some very important reasons 
> they need to be locked down with strong passwords:
> 
> 1)  An open WiFi router or sharing your router password allows others to
> do illegal things that will be traced with you.  Direct Communications 
> cooperates with law enforcement authorities to track down internet 
> sexual predators.  If the predator is parked near your house using 
> your WiFi signal from their car, it appears to us to be coming from 
> your home.  What will happen is that the authorities will kick down the door 
> at your house.
> 
> 
> 2)  Outsiders can use your Wifi to attack others or to hack into other’s
> computers and accounts.  With a strong antenna they can be a half mile 
> away and still use your WiFi.  Again, the activity will register as 
> happening inside your home.
> 
> 
> 3)  A sophisticated hacker can take over your computers in your home and
> make them repositories and servers for child porn, stolen credit card 
> numbers or any of a plethora of illegal information.  You would not 
> even know it was happening in many cases.
> 
> 
> 4)  An open router allows outsiders to actually see what web pages and
> other content you are looking at.
> 
> 
> 5)  Allowing a friend of neighbor to use your WiFi connection and your
> internet account is called “Theft of Service”.  You are collaborating 
> in allowing them to commit a crime and your are jeopardizing your own 
> service too.
> 
> 
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter

I do serve in a predominantly Mormon community. I myself am LDS. I agree that 
#5 should be ousted. It's not theft of service if they have family or friends 
staying with them for a short time. Or if they are even just visiting for an 
hour.

If they are renting out a basement apartment though, then they should have two 
separate accounts. 

If they don't secure their wifi and I find out about I first send an email 
giving them 24 hours to secure it or their service gets shut off.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On May 26, 2015, at 12:25 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> But you don't serve in a predominantly Mormon community where the majority of 
> people have pledged to be fair and honest in dealing with their fellow men.  
> Trying to poke at the religion button there
> 
> -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 12:21 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
> 
> IMHO the wording of #1 makes you sound too much like an evil ISP.  I would
> say "appears to law enforcement" not "appears to us".
> 
> Actually, we just say in our TOS that WiFi routers must be secured and not
> available for use by the general public.  We also say the customer is
> responsible for making sure that all users abide by our AUP, which of course
> is not possible if they run an open hotspot for anyone to use.
> 
> I would get rid of #5, anyone under 30 is likely to scoff at the legal basis
> for "Theft of Service" and will just get pissed off at you.  Seriously,
> under 30 or not, no one sees using someone's unsecured WiFi as illegal, in
> fact many  phones will connect to any unsecured WiFi by default.
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 1:01 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
> 
> Every so often, I send out something similar to the text below.
> Critiques welcome
> 
> 
> A WIRELESS ROUTER IS AN OPEN DOOR TO YOUR HOME
> 
> Most people use a wireless router so they can use their handheld devices.
> Wireless routers are great, but there are some very important reasons they
> need to be locked down with strong passwords:
> 
> 1)  An open WiFi router or sharing your router password allows others to
> do illegal things that will be traced with you.  Direct Communications
> cooperates with law enforcement authorities to track down internet sexual
> predators.  If the predator is parked near your house using your WiFi signal
> from their car, it appears to us to be coming from your home.  What will
> happen is that the authorities will kick down the door at your house.
> 
> 
> 2)  Outsiders can use your Wifi to attack others or to hack into other’s
> computers and accounts.  With a strong antenna they can be a half mile away
> and still use your WiFi.  Again, the activity will register as happening
> inside your home.
> 
> 
> 3)  A sophisticated hacker can take over your computers in your home and
> make them repositories and servers for child porn, stolen credit card
> numbers or any of a plethora of illegal information.  You would not even
> know it was happening in many cases.
> 
> 
> 4)  An open router allows outsiders to actually see what web pages and
> other content you are looking at.
> 
> 
> 5)  Allowing a friend of neighbor to use your WiFi connection and your
> internet account is called “Theft of Service”.  You are collaborating in
> allowing them to commit a crime and your are jeopardizing your own service
> too.
> 
> 
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter

But you don't serve in a predominantly Mormon community where the majority 
of people have pledged to be fair and honest in dealing with their fellow 
men.  Trying to poke at the religion button there

-Original Message- 
From: Ken Hohhof

Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 12:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter

IMHO the wording of #1 makes you sound too much like an evil ISP.  I would
say "appears to law enforcement" not "appears to us".

Actually, we just say in our TOS that WiFi routers must be secured and not
available for use by the general public.  We also say the customer is
responsible for making sure that all users abide by our AUP, which of course
is not possible if they run an open hotspot for anyone to use.

I would get rid of #5, anyone under 30 is likely to scoff at the legal basis
for "Theft of Service" and will just get pissed off at you.  Seriously,
under 30 or not, no one sees using someone's unsecured WiFi as illegal, in
fact many  phones will connect to any unsecured WiFi by default.

-Original Message- 
From: Chuck McCown

Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 1:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Scary Letter

Every so often, I send out something similar to the text below.
Critiques welcome

A WIRELESS ROUTER IS AN OPEN DOOR TO YOUR HOME

Most people use a wireless router so they can use their handheld devices.
Wireless routers are great, but there are some very important reasons they
need to be locked down with strong passwords:

1)  An open WiFi router or sharing your router password allows others to
do illegal things that will be traced with you.  Direct Communications
cooperates with law enforcement authorities to track down internet sexual
predators.  If the predator is parked near your house using your WiFi signal
from their car, it appears to us to be coming from your home.  What will
happen is that the authorities will kick down the door at your house.

2)  Outsiders can use your Wifi to attack others or to hack into other’s
computers and accounts.  With a strong antenna they can be a half mile away
and still use your WiFi.  Again, the activity will register as happening
inside your home.

3)  A sophisticated hacker can take over your computers in your home and
make them repositories and servers for child porn, stolen credit card
numbers or any of a plethora of illegal information.  You would not even
know it was happening in many cases.

4)  An open router allows outsiders to actually see what web pages and
other content you are looking at.

5)  Allowing a friend of neighbor to use your WiFi connection and your
internet account is called “Theft of Service”.  You are collaborating in
allowing them to commit a crime and your are jeopardizing your own service
too.

Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter

IMHO the wording of #1 makes you sound too much like an evil ISP.  I would 
say "appears to law enforcement" not "appears to us".


Actually, we just say in our TOS that WiFi routers must be secured and not 
available for use by the general public.  We also say the customer is 
responsible for making sure that all users abide by our AUP, which of course 
is not possible if they run an open hotspot for anyone to use.


I would get rid of #5, anyone under 30 is likely to scoff at the legal basis 
for "Theft of Service" and will just get pissed off at you.  Seriously, 
under 30 or not, no one sees using someone's unsecured WiFi as illegal, in 
fact many  phones will connect to any unsecured WiFi by default.



-Original Message- 
From: Chuck McCown

Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 1:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Scary Letter

Every so often, I send out something similar to the text below.
Critiques welcome


A WIRELESS ROUTER IS AN OPEN DOOR TO YOUR HOME

Most people use a wireless router so they can use their handheld devices.
Wireless routers are great, but there are some very important reasons they
need to be locked down with strong passwords:

1)  An open WiFi router or sharing your router password allows others to
do illegal things that will be traced with you.  Direct Communications
cooperates with law enforcement authorities to track down internet sexual
predators.  If the predator is parked near your house using your WiFi signal
from their car, it appears to us to be coming from your home.  What will
happen is that the authorities will kick down the door at your house.


2)  Outsiders can use your Wifi to attack others or to hack into other’s
computers and accounts.  With a strong antenna they can be a half mile away
and still use your WiFi.  Again, the activity will register as happening
inside your home.


3)  A sophisticated hacker can take over your computers in your home and
make them repositories and servers for child porn, stolen credit card
numbers or any of a plethora of illegal information.  You would not even
know it was happening in many cases.


4)  An open router allows outsiders to actually see what web pages and
other content you are looking at.


5)  Allowing a friend of neighbor to use your WiFi connection and your
internet account is called “Theft of Service”.  You are collaborating in
allowing them to commit a crime and your are jeopardizing your own service
too.

Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter