DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8645-8654
On 3/15/2022 19:40, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote: PROPOSAL 8645 (Some RTRW Clean-Ups) AUTHOR: ATMunn CLASS: DEMOCRATIC FOR (8): Aspen, G., Jason, Madrid!, Murphy, Trigon@, ais523, nix@ AGAINST (1): Secretsnail9 PRESENT (0): BALLOTS: 9 AI (F/A): 20/3 (AI=3.0) POPULARITY: 0.778 OUTCOME: ADOPTED [ Aspen: Jason is the Rulekeepor: Endorsement of Jason ] From the passing of this proposal, I qualify for a red ribbon. However, only players can award ribbons. If anyone would be so kind as to award me one, it would be greatly appreciated. -- ATMunn
DIS: Re: BUS: [promise] trading secretly with a snail
On 3/14/2022 13:47, ais523 via agora-business wrote: On Mon, 2022-03-14 at 13:41 -0400, ATMunn via agora-business wrote: I grant secretsnail the following promise: { Cashing conditions: In the same message as cashing, the bearer has transferred me two justice cards. I transfer 1 winsome, 2 pendants, and 2 votives to the bearer. } secretsnail, I'm prepared to outbid this offer. I grant secretsnail the following promise: { Cashing conditions: In the same message as cashing, the bearer has transferred me two justice cards, and it is 14 or 15 March 2022. I transfer 20 Decipoints, 2 pendants, and 3 votives to the bearer. } (10 Decipoints are worth 1 Winsome.) Secretsnail said on Discord that e didn't see your offer in time. I only need 4 blot-be-gones though, so if you would like to do a 4-6 split, I would be more than willing to do so. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary :)
DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Arrivals and Departures (Monthly)
May 17 16 Nov 17 d Bayushithelas.staloras at gmail.com 29 Jun 17 16 Nov 17 d ProofTechnique jhenahan at me.com 23 Sep 17 16 Nov 17 d Murphy emurphy42 at zoho.com27 Oct 07 17 Nov 17 v V.J. Rada vijarada at gmail.com05 Sep 17 28 Nov 17 [1] previously Alfonso Machiavelli, the Warrigal [2] later known as R. Lee [3] also known as Gumball [4] also callforjudgement at yahoo.co.uk Left in 2018: v ATMunn iamingodsarmy at gmail.com 21 Sep 17 09 Feb 18 v Alexis alercah at gmail.com 27 Sep 17 28 Feb 18 a o owen at grimoire.ca 12 Jul 16 16 Oct 18 a Kenyon kprater3.14 at gmail.com 27 Feb 18 16 Oct 18 a Quazie quazienomic at gmail.com 15 Apr 17 16 Oct 18 a Ouri ouri.poupko at gmail.com 03 Apr 18 16 Oct 18 Left in 2019: a Telnaior jdga at iinet.net.au 15 Jan 19 w Telnaior jdga at iinet.net.au 29 Jan 19 29 Jan 19 a 天火狐 [1] draconicdarkness at gmail.com 06 Nov 16 03 Feb 19 a pokes pokes at botnoise.org11 Dec 17 03 Feb 19 a nichdel [2]nichdel at gmail.com 29 Jun 17 24 May 19 a Tarhalindurahzin23 at icstudents.org31 Oct 18 13 Jul 19 v nch [2]nichdel at gmail.com 14 Jul 19 25 Jul 19 v R. Lee [3] edwardostrange at gmail.com [4] 29 Dec 17 29 Jul 19 a L prmcd16 at yahoo.com 20 Sep 18 24 Aug 19 a Corona liliumalbum.agora at gmail.com 17 Nov 17 24 Aug 19 p Hālian halian at safiria.net20 Oct 18 18 Sep 19 a Telnaior jdga at iinet.net.au 29 Jan 19 22 Sep 19 a P.S.S. [5] pscriboniusscholasticus at gmail.com[6] 16 Apr 17 22 Sep 19 a Jacob Arduino jacobarduino at gmail.com12 Nov 18 19 Nov 19 [1] Alternative/transliteration: Tenhigitsune [2] known as nichdel, nch, then later (in 2020) nix [3] also known as V.J. Rada [4] Later changed to SarahEstrange0 at gmail.com. [5] also known as Publius Scribonius Scholasticus [6] officially, but technically equivalent: p.scribonius.scholasticusatgooglemail.com Left in 2020: v R. Lee edwardostrange at gmail.com [1] 29 Dec 19 25 Jan 20 r R. Lee edwardostrange at gmail.com [1] 28 Feb 20 01 Mar 20 a o owen at grimoire.ca 23 May 19 09 Apr 20 a Walker charles.w.walker at gmail.com02 Jun 19 17 Apr 20 w Warrigal tannerswett at gmail.com 24 Jan 20 23 Apr 20 a Bernie hidreigon at gmail.com 06 Apr 19 23 Apr 20 a Rance rance_28 at yahoo.com09 Apr 19 23 Apr 20 v Alexis alercah at gmail.com 06 Jan 20 03 May 20 a pikhq agora at ada.pikhq.com 20 Oct 19 30 May 20 v Bögtil stefan.fjellander at gmail.com 22 May 20 20 Jun 20 x R. Lee edwardostrange at gmail.com [1] 16 Mar 20 30 Jun 20 x R. Lee (55 times) edwardostrange at gmail.com [1] 30 Jun 20 30 Jun 20 (The previous two lines represent 56 total deregistrations of R. Lee.) a Tcbapo tcbapoagora at gmail.com 28 Jan 20 12 Jul 20 a Tyler tylermeady at gmail.com 06 Jun 20 20 Nov 20 a Zyborg zyborgmao at gmail.com 21 Jun 20 20 Nov 20 a Fred zarathustraincandenza... [2] 03-Jul-20 20 Nov 20 a Shelvacu [3] agora at shelvacu.com08-Aug-20 20 Nov 20 a D. Margaux [4] dmargaux000 at gmail.com 25 Aug 18 29 Nov 20 a Baron von Vaderham davidseeber at outlook.com 04 Feb 19 29 Nov 20 a Telnaior JDGA at iinet.net.au 21 Mar 20 29 Nov 20 a sukil sukiletxe+agora at gmail.com 12 Feb 20 29 Nov 20 a twgme at timon.red 24 May 18 27 Dec 20 v P.S.S. [5] p.scribonius.scholasticus... [6] 01 Mar 20 31 Dec 20 [1] Later changed to SarahEstrange0 at gmail.com. [2] zarathustraincandenza at gmail.com [3] Also known as Shel. [4] Also known as D Margaux. [5] also known as Publius Scribonius Scholasticus [6] p.scribonius.scholasticus at gmail.com Left in 2021: a grok grokagora at gmail.com 20 May 20 01 May 21 a Shy Owlshy.owlman at gmail.com 11 Nov 20 01 May 21 a Lucidiot Lucidot at brainshit.fr 08 Nov 20 30 Jun 21 a JTAC hmcl.supv at gmail.com 03 Jan 21 30 Jun 21 a Noah blackbeangirl919 at gmail.com14 Jan 21 30 Jun 21 a Ubercrow unicationsmith2009 at gmail.com 11 Jan 21 24 Aug 21 a Joe [1]arran.soule at gmail.com 19 Jan 21 24 Aug 21 a Aenet aidananthony14 at gmai
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] deregging people
On 2/18/2022 17:37, ATMunn wrote: On 2/18/2022 17:32, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: On 2/18/2022 14:31, ATMunn via agora-official wrote: I intend, with notice, to deactivate Telna. This does nothing; Telna is not a player. Actually, because I am terrible at being the Registrar, the latest report has self-ratified; thus making Telna a player again. And apparently there's also a CFJ meaning that this can't happen, so Telna is not a player. So sorry for the spam. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary :)
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] deregging people
On 2/18/2022 17:32, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: On 2/18/2022 14:31, ATMunn via agora-official wrote: I intend, with notice, to deactivate Telna. This does nothing; Telna is not a player. Actually, because I am terrible at being the Registrar, the latest report has self-ratified; thus making Telna a player again. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary :)
DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] deregging people
On 2/18/2022 14:31, ATMunn via agora-official wrote: I intend, with notice, to deactivate Telna. This does nothing; Telna is not a player. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary :)
DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] RTRW Recording
On 2/8/2022 15:16, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote: Well it looks like we're going with recording people reading the ruleset. Reading will be done using the Short Logical Ruleset published on 8 Feb 2022, which has 146 rules. The following persons have stated on Discord that they wish to participate: * ATMunn * nix * Jason * Gaelan * Trigon * cuddlybanana If you are not on the above list, please respond to this email if you wish to participate. As for how to assign rules, I will accept up to 5 first-come-first-serve claims per person in replies to this email. Any remaining rules will be assigned as I see fit (probably randomly). I will accept opt-ins and dibs for the next 24 hours before assigning the remaining rules. I call dibs on the following rules: * Rule 2450 (Pledges) * Rule 2618 (Promises) * Rule 1742 (Contracts) * Rule 2608 (The Notary) * Rule 2631 (Charities) -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary :)
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] The Agoran Directory (weekly report)
On 1/31/2022 12:27, Sgeo via agora-discussion wrote: My listed birthday should be 27 Jun 08 if I understand "birthday" correctly. My first registration is listed as "a Sgeo sgeoster at gmail.com27 Jun 08 31 Jul 11" My bad; I forgot that you were registered previously. This will be fixed for the next report. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary :)
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Mad Engineer weekly random rule selection
On 12/20/2021 15:50, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: On Mon, 2021-12-20 at 21:49 +0100, nethack4.org dicebot via agora- business wrote: The dice roll was: 12 This is R683, Voting on Agoran Decisions. For reference: {{{ An entity submits a ballot on an Agoran decision by publishing a notice satisfying the following conditions: 1. The ballot is submitted during the voting period for the decision. 2. The entity casting the ballot (the voter) was, at the initiation of the decision, a player. 3. The ballot clearly identifies the matter to be decided. 4. The ballot clearly identifies a valid vote, as determined by the voting method. 5. The ballot clearly sets forth the voter's intent to place the identified vote. 6. The voter has no other valid ballots on the same decision. A valid ballot is a ballot, correctly submitted, that has not been withdrawn. During the voting period of an Agoran decision, an entity CAN by announcement withdraw (syn. retract) a ballot that e submitted on that decision. To "change" one's vote is to retract eir previous ballot (if any), then submit a new one. Submitting and withdrawing ballots is secured. }}} Any suggestions? We have lots of short sentences to choose from, which means we may be able to create something great here. "The entity casting the ballot (the voter) was, at the initiation of the decision, a device." "The device clearly sets forth the voter's intent to place the identified vote." -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary :)
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Mad Engineer weekly random rule selection
On 11/15/2021 10:02, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: On Mon, 2021-11-15 at 16:00 +0100, nethack4.org dicebot via agora- business wrote: This is R991, Calls for Judgement. For reference: {{{ Any person (the initiator) can initiate a Call for Judgement (CFJ, syn. Judicial Case), specifying a statement to be inquired into by announcement. When a person initiates a Call for Judgement, e CAN optionally bar one person from the case by announcement. At any time, each CFJ is either open (default), suspended, or assigned exactly one judgement that was validly assigned. The Arbitor is an office, responsible for the administration of justice in a manner that is fair for emself, if not for the rest of Agora. Judge is an untracked CFJ switch with possible values of any person or former person, or "unassigned" (default). To "assign" a CFJ to a person is to flip that CFJ's judge to that person. To "remove" or "recuse" a person from a being the judge of a CFJ is to flip that CFJ's judge from that person to unassigned. When an open CFJ's judge is unassigned, the Arbitor CAN assign any eligible player to be its judge by announcement, and SHALL do so in a timely fashion after it becomes an open and unassigned CFJ. The players eligible to be assigned as judge are all active players except the initiator and the person barred (if any). The Arbitor SHALL assign judges over time such that all interested players have reasonably equal opportunities to judge. If a CFJ has no judge assigned, then any player eligible to judge that CFJ CAN assign it to emself without 3 objections. The Arbitor's weekly report includes a summary of recent judicial case activity, including open and recently-judged cases, recent judicial assignments, and a list of players interested in judging. }}} Lots of nice short sentences here, so it may well be possible to come up with something that works quite well. A few (mediocre) suggestions: "At any time, each device is either open (default), suspended, or assigned exactly one judgement that was validly assigned." "If a device has no judge assigned, then any player eligible to judge that device CAN assign it to emself without 3 objections." -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary :)
DIS: Re: OFF: [Stonemason] October Stone Auction Distribution
On 10/18/2021 16:55, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote: I perform the following actions if and only if they all succeed: { I destroy 305 of Trigon's coins. I cause the Alchemry Stone to be transferred to Trigon. } Probably inconsequential typo: "Alchemry" -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary :)
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract] THE BUTTON is dead, long live The Button!
On 10/1/2021 11:11, Rose Strong via agora-discussion wrote: I become a party to the button. NttPF -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary :)
DIS: Agora & Friends Diplomacy
Hello everyone! After the success of last year's Diplonomic tournament, several people on the Discord server expressed interest in playing Diplomacy again. We decided not to do it as an official tournament in Agora, but rather just a fun side thing. An advantage of doing it this way is that we can use a website to run the game, meaning we don't need a gamemaster. We will be using the website Backstabbr (https://www.backstabbr.com). Another thing we decided is to do teams. Last year, Aspen and Trigon formed a team and played together as England. They both expressed that they really enjoyed that and wanted to do that again. By doing teams of 2, we can get up to 14 players. To fill all these spots, I've also sent an invitation to those on the Infinite Nomic Discord server. If anyone is interested, go ahead and sign up here: https://forms.gle/LBtbF5Db5Ctvye3U8 -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary :)
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Trading with Trigon [attn. Treasuror, Referee]
On 9/1/2021 10:52, Trigon via agora-discussion wrote: On 01/09/2021 13:05, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: On 9/1/2021 00:00, Aspen via agora-discussion wrote: On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 8:57 PM Trigon via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: On 01/09/2021 03:55, Trigon wrote: On 01/09/2021 02:46, Trigon wrote: On 01/09/2021 02:43, Aspen via agora-business wrote: I grant the Library the following promise: { Cashing condition: if this promise is cached, by the end of the message in which this promise is cashed, the bearer will have transferred 5 blot-b-gones to me. I transfer two justice cards to the bearer. } -Aspen I cash this promise. I pay a set of four Justice Cards to create in my possession a set of ten Blot-B-Gones. I transfer five Blot-B-Gones to Aspen and thank em for doing business with me. Ineffective. I did not have the promise, the library did. I transfer the quoted promise from the library to myself, then I cash that promise, pay a set of 4jc to get 10bg, and transfer 5bg to Aspen. And while I'm here, I expunge one blot from myself by destroying a blot-b-gone. -- Trigon Flagging for the Referee. Also, I expunge two blots from myself, destroying a blot-b-gone for each. -Aspen NttPF. I don't know what you mean. It hit the a-b archive. https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2021-September/047363.html Interesting. The To and From addresses are both a-d, but a-b is CC'd. (at least, that's how it shows for me) I guess CC is good enough for the archive? -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary :)
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Trading with Trigon [attn. Treasuror, Referee]
On 9/1/2021 00:00, Aspen via agora-discussion wrote: On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 8:57 PM Trigon via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: On 01/09/2021 03:55, Trigon wrote: On 01/09/2021 02:46, Trigon wrote: On 01/09/2021 02:43, Aspen via agora-business wrote: I grant the Library the following promise: { Cashing condition: if this promise is cached, by the end of the message in which this promise is cashed, the bearer will have transferred 5 blot-b-gones to me. I transfer two justice cards to the bearer. } -Aspen I cash this promise. I pay a set of four Justice Cards to create in my possession a set of ten Blot-B-Gones. I transfer five Blot-B-Gones to Aspen and thank em for doing business with me. Ineffective. I did not have the promise, the library did. I transfer the quoted promise from the library to myself, then I cash that promise, pay a set of 4jc to get 10bg, and transfer 5bg to Aspen. And while I'm here, I expunge one blot from myself by destroying a blot-b-gone. -- Trigon Flagging for the Referee. Also, I expunge two blots from myself, destroying a blot-b-gone for each. -Aspen NttPF. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary :)
DIS: Re: [contract] @Notary Re: BUS: Fruit? Fruit. [attn. Notary]
On 7/23/2021 21:04, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: On 7/23/21 8:10 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: On 7/23/21 8:06 PM, Trigon via agora-business wrote: On 23/07/2021 23:57, Telna via agora-business wrote: I become an Orchardor, becoming party to The Orchard. Well, this is happening. I PLANT A TREE, specifying potatoes as the fruit type. I PICK FRUIT. And while I'm at it, I PLANT POTATOES. I PLANT A TREE, specifying "" as the fruit type. I PICK FRUIT. This notary message notary contains notary no notary game notary actions. Just notary flagging notary for notary the notary notarty. I point the finger at Jason for committing the class-2 crime of Redundantly Using Redundant Redundancy. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary :)
DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Notary] The Notes (contracts)
On 6/29/2021 21:07, Falsifian via agora-business wrote: "Agoran Press" (revision 1) ... History: 13 Aug 15:22 2020: contract created by Falsifian MoE: This isn't in UTC. According to my Sent folder, I created it 2021-08-14 at 03:22 UTC. I assume you mean 2020, not 2021? -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary :)
DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Voting for Prime Minister
On 6/28/2021 11:05, ATMunn wrote: On 6/27/2021 17:03, Edward Murphy via agora-official wrote: I initiate an Agoran decision to eslect the winner of the election for Prime Minister. * The Vote Collector is the ADoP (me). * The valid options are ais523, ATMunn, G., R. Lee, and anyone else who becomes a candidate before voting ends. * The voting method is instant runoff. I vote [ATMunn, ais523, Falsifian, R. Lee]. Whoops, apologies for sending to OFF. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary :)
Re: BUS: Re: DIS: crickets
On 6/19/2021 8:54 PM, ais523 via agora-business wrote: On Sat, 2021-06-19 at 20:53 -0400, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: I intend, without objection, to declare apathy. NttPF. I object anyway. IWAStBttPF (It Wasn't Actually Supposed to Be to the Public Forum) Just verifying the lists are still up. :P -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary :)
DIS: crickets
I intend, without objection, to declare apathy. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary :)
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract & Promise Cleanup
On 6/18/2021 5:28 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote: On Jun 18, 2021, at 8:46 AM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote: Good point. I intend, without objection, to revoke the promise "Treasure" from the Lost and Found Department I object; I believe the intent of that promise was to provide a prize for anyone with a way to steal from the L&FD. Gaelan My reason behind the attempt was that 1) it's been there for a long time and 2) inflation means that 200 coins is becoming less and less valuable. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary :)
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Notary] The Notes (pledges & promises) [@Treasuror]
On 6/14/2021 1:08 PM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: On Fri, 2021-05-28 at 20:42 -0400, ATMunn via agora-official wrote: 9 instances of the following promise exist: "Two by two" created by Murphy Bearer: the Library Text: Cashing conditions: * If the bearer is me, then no other conditions need to be met. * The bearer specifies exactly one type of Card. * The bearer has transferred two of that Card to me earlier in the same message, without cashing any of my other promises or reducing my instances of that Card in between. * Before that transfer, I had less than four of that Card. * I now have at least four of that Card. If the bearer is me, then I do nothing; otherwise, I pay a set of four of that Card, then transfer half the resulting products to the bearer. On Sun, 2021-06-13 at 23:19 +, Trigon via agora-official wrote: ASSET BALANCES (self-ratifies) Player(+a) cn wcjclcvcwpbgpdxv == == Murphy3043 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 On Tue, 2021-06-15 at 02:29 +1000, Telna via agora-business wrote: I transfer Murphy one Legislative card. If the following three actions would cause Murphy to transfer five Pendants to me, then I perform them, otherwise I do not perform them: * I transfer Murphy two Legislative Cards. * I take a "Two by two" promise from the Library. * I cash a "Two by two" promise, specifying Legislative Cards. (I believe they do cause Murphy to transfer me five Pendants, based on the messages quoted above.) NttPF -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary :)
DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport
On 4/4/2021 5:04 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: ATMunn wrote: On 3/28/2021 2:54 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-official wrote: WEEKLY REPORTS Office Report Last Published Late[1] ADoP Offices 2021-03-21[2] Arbitor Judicial matters 2021-03-25 Notary Contracts 2021-03-18 Promotor Proposal pool 2021-03-21 Referee Rule violations 2021-03-07 !! Registrar Players, Fora 2021-03-27 (vacant) Rulekeepor Short Logical Ruleset 2021-03-11 ! Stonemason Stones 2021-03-24 Tailor Glitter values 2021-03-28 Treasuror Coins, other currencies 2021-03-25 [1] ! = 1 period missed, !! = 2, !!! = 3+ [2] Not including this report CoE: I published a Notary report on the 24th: https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-official/2021-March/014749.html https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-official/2021-March/014750.html Admitted. (It was listed in the detail section, but the weekly/monthly flag was apparently missed out; I should fix the update script to block in that situation.) You also didn't give me a salary for that report - that's all I really care about, lol. I won't point a finger though as long as it gets done reasonably soon. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary :)
DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Notary] The Notes (pledges & promises)
On 4/3/2021 3:32 AM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 7:49 AM ATMunn via agora-official wrote: This is a continuation of the Notary's weekly report. Information about contracts can be found in a separate message. HISTORY OF PLEDGES & PROMISES = 21 Mar 2021: Jason made the pledge "General objection" -- time of last report -- 11 Mar 2021: The pledge "You can make it happen, R. Lee!" expired -- 2 reports ago -- 09 Mar 2021: Aris cashed the promise e created 09 Mar 2021: Aris created a promise 06 Mar 2021: The pledge "Referee Electoral Pledge" expired 01 Mar 2021: The pledge "CFJ annotations please" expired 28 Feb 2021: G. cashed the promise "Neverending PRESENT"[2] 28 Feb 2021: G. created the promise "Neverending PRESENT" -- 3 reports ago -- 20 Feb 2021: Falsifian destroyed the promise "Hopefully Last Assignment Fallback" w/o objection 20 Feb 2021: Falsifian destroyed the promise "Another Assginment Fallback" w/o objection 20 Feb 2021: Falsifian destroyed the promise "Assignment Fallback" w/o objection 17 Feb 2021: G. cashed an instance of the promise "Two by two" 14 Feb 2021: Falsifian created the promise "Hopefully Last Assignment Fallback" 14 Feb 2021: Jason cashed the promise created by Falsifian 14 Feb 2021: Falsifian created a promise 14 Feb 2021: Murphy granted nix the promise "Ratification compensation" 11 Feb 2021: Aris cashed the promise "Guess That Agoran" 08 Feb 2021: Trigon cashed the promise created by Jason 08 Feb 2021: Jason created a promise 08 Feb 2021: nix's pledge expired 06 Feb 2021: Jason cashed the promise nix granted em 06 Feb 2021: nix granted Jason a promise 06 Feb 2021: Jason cashed the promise created by Gaelan 04 Feb 2021: ATMunn[1] created the promise "Guess That Agoran" 03 Feb 2021: Falsifian cashed the promise nix granted em 03 Feb 2021: nix granted Falsifian an promise 03 Feb 2021: G. made the pledge "Rational dictatorship" 03 Feb 2021: Gaelan made the pledge "Keeping secrecy" 03 Feb 2021: Gaelan created a promise 02 Feb 2021: nix cashed the promise created by Aris 02 Feb 2021: Aris created a promise 02 Feb 2021: nix made a pledge [1] Sent from the email address "bunny.voo...@gmail.com"; this player was later revealed to be ATMunn. [2] The promise purports to create another promise upon cashing and then immediately cash that new promise; the effectiveness of this is PARADOXICAL under CFJ 3901. CoE: This is a misreading of CFJ 3901. CFJ 3901 stated that the statement "The cashing of one or more promises created by G. has been EFFECTIVE at changing the final vote tally and/or number of voters on the referendum to adopt Proposal 8543, for the purposes of R208, R879, and/or R2623." was PARADOXICAL. The PARADOX was in the effect of the promise, not the cashing; the promise was unambiguously cashed. Unless I'm mistaken, the promise no longer exists, so the portion of your report saying it does is in error. -Aris I wasn't really sure how to interpret that - thanks for the heads up. I don't have time to fix it right now but I will as soon as I can. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary :)
DIS: Re: BUS: [Emergency] Please remain calm (@ADoP)
On 2/3/2021 10:22 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: It has come to my attention that, unfortunately, the Prime Minister has lost the confidence of the glorious Regulations of G.ravity. I cause Second Regulation of G.ravity to remove the current Prime Minister from Office. Unfortunately, I also fear that the anti-democrats calling themselves a democratic society, may attempt a move against the Regulations via deputization, so the office cannot remain empty. I cause Second Regulation of G.ravity to appoint myself to the office of Prime Minister. I respond to the recent petition to the Prime Minister as follows: "please calm yourself citizens, these actions are unnecessary!" To calm fears: I pledge that I will not use the G.ravity regulations to manipulate any office holding other than Prime Minister and possibly Speaker. Doing so to other offices would be stupid. This move is strictly temporary. I notice there is a free and fair election for the office currently ongoing. I invite prospective nominees to share their positions on the great Regulations! -G. [Aside: I don't think Emergency Regulations are necessarily overpowered per se, but Prime mininster -> controls Emergency Regs -> Controls PM is too unfortunate of a tidy logical loop to leave sitting there...] :( -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Prime Minister in exile :(
Re: DIS: Re: [@Treasuror] Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Stonemason] December Stone Auction Resolution
On 12/9/2020 11:12 PM, Lucidiot via agora-discussion wrote: Le 10/12/2020 à 02:35, ATMunn via agora-business a écrit : On 12/9/2020 8:30 PM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote: On 12/9/2020 7:13 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote: This auction was a selective-bid auction. The awardees are as follows: [Protection Stone] -> Murphy for 135 coins. [Sabotage Stone] -> Murphy for 130 coins. [Wealth Stone] -> ATMunn for 169 coins. I pay a fee of 169 coins to transfer the Wealth Stone from Agora to myself (for real this time). I wield my Wealth Stone in order to cause myself to earn 5 boatloads of coins (23 coins). There was a mistake in the rounding method in the Floating Rate Schedule, it's actually 24 coins. (ceiling(4.6212*5) = 24, but Trigon used floor) I don't know if it should be CoE'd I think it's fine as long as the Treasuror records it correctly. The important thing is that I wielded the stone and specified myself. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Prime Minister of Agora :)
DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Stonemason] December Stone Auction
On 12/5/2020 6:06 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: I bid 140 coins, specifying Wealth Stone as the desired lot. The highest bid is currently 169 coins for the Wealth Stone. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Prime Minister of Agora :)
Re: DIS: @Treasuror Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8524-8525
On 11/30/2020 9:52 PM, nix via agora-discussion wrote: On 11/30/20 7:31 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote: PROPOSAL 8524 (Agora's Stones Are Immune) AUTHOR: nix CLASS: ORDINARY CHAMBER: ECONOMY SPONSORED: YES FOR (7): ATMunn&, Falsifian, Jason, Murphy, lucidiot, nix%, twg AGAINST (0): PRESENT (2): Aris, Gaelan BALLOTS: 9 AI (F/A): 27/0 (AI=2.0) POPULARITY: 0.778 OUTCOME: ADOPTED [ twg: Endorsement of Falsifian ] Pursuant of the popular proposal reward, I grant myself a legislative card. NttPF. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Prime Minister of Agora :)
DIS: Re: OFF: [Splat Market] Order Book
On 11/22/2020 6:50 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-official wrote: The following orders (as defined by the Splat Market contract) exist: Legislative Cards: 2x buy @ 60 coins (Gaelan) Pendants: 1x sell @ 40 coins (Gaelan) 5x buy @ 30 coins (Gaelan) Extra Votes: 4x sell @ 5 coins (nix) Blot-B-Gones: 1x sell @ 50 coins (Gaelan) (Dragon QuickExchange) Legislative Credits: 12x sell @ 1 coin (Gaelan) Gaelan Did my previous orders get executed? I don't feel like I remember that happening, but I also could just be having bad memory. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Prime Minister of Agora :)
DIS: Re: OFF: [Reportor] Last Week in Agora
On 11/16/2020 3:19 PM, Lucidiot via agora-official wrote: Archived at https://github.com/AgoraNomic/Reportor/tree/master/weekly_summaries Below is the report for the week of 2020-11-09..15: # Summary Welcome Shy Owl, for real this time! This week starts in silence, enough to make some wonder if the lists are working. A burst of activity happened with the first stone auction and bugfixes on stone rules. Some ratified mistakes get fixed and Falsifian finally gets some coworkers at the Agoran Press. Meanwhile, # Voting * Voting concludes on Proposal 8522 (cleanup of Rule 2531). * Voting begins on Proposal 8523, a fix for the Concentration Stone in Rule 2645 (see "Stones" below). # New players * Shy Owl registers. Thread: "Intention to Register" # Stones * The Stonemason initiates the first stone auction. Thread: "[Stonemason] Throwing Stones" * Aris, nix and Jason submit and pend a proposal to fix Rule 2645, as a player with an Economy Focus and a Concentration Stone could earn over 700 coins in a month. Aris, as Promotor, distributes it immediately. Thread: "[Proposal] Emergency Economy Unbreaking" * nix submits a proposal to tidy up Rule 2643 and prevent stealing stones from Agora using the Soul Stone. Thread: "[Proposal] Agora's Stones Are Immune" # Rule questions * Does a "SHALL" in an auction regulation constitute a pledge? CFJ 3888 gets assigned to nix. * Is the Webmastor an office? Jason judges CFJ 3889 TRUE after noticing a mistake was made when applying Proposal 8388. Threads: "CFJ", "[Arbitor] CFJ 3889 Assigned to Jason [attn. Notary]" # Meta * lucidiot and Murphy join the Agoran Press, and Murphy unsuccessfully attempts to take next week's assignment. Thread: "@Treasuror [Agoran Press Editor] Payroll and Salary Claim" * The Agoran Press follows the inflation updates and switches to boatloads of coins. Thread: "@Notary [Agoran Press] Giving myself a raise" # Miscellaneous * Jason transfers the talismans of Tyler, Zyborg, Fred and Shelvacu to Agora, then announces intent to deregister em. Threads: "Zombification [attn. Shelvacu]", "[Registrar] Expedited export" * nix ratifies without objection that e owns three pendants missing from the Treasuror's reports. Thread: "@Treasuror RWO Asset Recovery" * Murphy announces intent to award the Patent Title of Hard Labor to Publius Scribonius Scholasticus for eir work as Referee, Tailor and Herald. Thread: "Intent to award Patent Title [attn Herald]" I didn't even notice that this wasn't done by Falsifian until today. Well done! -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Prime Minister of Agora :)
Re: DIS: Should We Save Honor?
On 11/16/2020 1:55 PM, nix via agora-discussion wrote: On 11/16/20 12:51 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 10:45 AM nix via agora-discussion wrote: On 11/16/20 12:41 PM, nix via agora-discussion wrote: On 11/16/20 12:40 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: The honor/karma system seems to have fallen largely out of use. Should we try to fix it, and if so, what do we need to do? -Aris I'm in favor of either repealing it or reverting to something more similar to the summer version. I just don't find this version interesting. Sorry about the double-post. Thought I canceled this send in time. nix: I'm sorry about the double-post, so I'll change it to a triple-post! (To be clear, this is a joke, I don't actually mind. I sent this message at the urging of lucidot. I accept no responsibility whatsoever.) -Aris I am no longer sorry about the double-post. From now on I'm only sending double-posts. But you didn't send this as a double-post. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Prime Minister of Agora :)
Re: DIS: Should We Save Honor?
On 11/16/2020 1:40 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: The honor/karma system seems to have fallen largely out of use. Should we try to fix it, and if so, what do we need to do? -Aris I say get rid of it. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Prime Minister of Agora :)
DIS: Re: BUS: [CFJ] Re: OFF: [Stonemason] Throwing Stones
On 11/14/2020 12:01 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: I CFJ: "On or about 00:15:33 UTC on 12 Nov 2020, in a message entitled '[Stonemason] Throwing Stones]', Jason made a pledge." Typo in the title of the message referenced. Might want to retract and call the CFJ again. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Prime Minister of Agora :)
DIS: Discord digestn't 2020-10-30
THIS MESSAGE CONTAINS NO GAME ACTIONS. SERIOUSLY, IT CONTAINS NO GAME ACTIONS. DISREGARD ANYTHING ELSE IN THIS MESSAGE SAYING IT CONTAINS A GAME ACTION. Message 771843949077331988 FROM nix IN #botspam ON 2020-10-30 AT 17:12:31.41: idea: a second digest for notorious posts that are added by :starnt: MESSAGE 771846313486712853 FROM nix IN #botspam ON 2020-10-30 AT 17:21:59.265: @friendly neighboorhood notary you're now obligated to send that message in a hand-typed digest THIS MESSAGE CONTAINS NO GAME ACTIONS. SERIOUSLY, IT CONTAINS NO GAME ACTIONS. DISREGARD ANYTHING ELSE IN THIS MESSAGE SAYING IT CONTAINS A GAME ACTION.
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Rewards for Proposals 8507-8515
On 10/28/2020 3:33 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 12:31 PM ATMunn via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: On 10/28/2020 3:29 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote: For the adoption of Proposal 8507, I grant ATMunn 14-0=14 coins. For the adoption of Proposal 8508, I grant Falsifian 14-0=14 coins. For the adoption of Proposal 8509, I grant Baron von Vanderham 11-0=11 coins. For the adoption of Proposal 8510, I grant Baron von Vanderham 11-0=11 coins. For the adoption of Proposal 8511, I grant Baron von Vanderham 12-0=12 coins. For the adoption of Proposal 8513, I grant Aris 14-0=14 coins. For the adoption of Proposal 8514, I grant Aris 12-0=12 coins. For the adoption of Proposal 8515, I grant nix 11-0=11 coins. Should these be boatloads of coins? They are. It's just that a boatload is current 1 coin, because the Unit of Floatation is 1. It'll go up next month. -Aris ah, right ~~i feel scammed~~ -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Prime Minister of Agora :)
DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Rewards for Proposals 8507-8515
On 10/28/2020 3:29 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote: For the adoption of Proposal 8507, I grant ATMunn 14-0=14 coins. For the adoption of Proposal 8508, I grant Falsifian 14-0=14 coins. For the adoption of Proposal 8509, I grant Baron von Vanderham 11-0=11 coins. For the adoption of Proposal 8510, I grant Baron von Vanderham 11-0=11 coins. For the adoption of Proposal 8511, I grant Baron von Vanderham 12-0=12 coins. For the adoption of Proposal 8513, I grant Aris 14-0=14 coins. For the adoption of Proposal 8514, I grant Aris 12-0=12 coins. For the adoption of Proposal 8515, I grant nix 11-0=11 coins. Should these be boatloads of coins? -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Prime Minister of Agora :)
DIS: Re: OFF: Re: BAK: [Treasuror] [Weekly Report] Forbes 478
On 10/27/2020 10:04 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-official wrote: I CoE the quoted report. Murphy published salaries on October 25. I missed this event due to the message arriving in my spam inbox along with every other message e sent to tue. ohhh so that's why I missed the reverse auction thing -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Prime Minister of Agora :)
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Reportor] Last Week in Agora
On 10/26/2020 7:28 PM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 07:20:15PM -0400, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: On 10/26/2020 7:01 PM, Falsifian via agora-official wrote: * Murphy sets up a reverse auction using a promise. Thread: "Reverse auction (attn Notary)" Can you link to this in the archive? I don't seem to have received this email. https://listserver.tue.nl/pipermail/agora/2020-October/000551.html Huh. I'm pretty sure I recall seeing this (maybe it was discussed on Discord or something?), but a search for "reverse auction" in my mail client comes up with no results. I either didn't receive this email, or I deleted it somehow. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Prime Minister of Agora :)
DIS: Re: OFF: [Reportor] Last Week in Agora
On 10/26/2020 7:01 PM, Falsifian via agora-official wrote: * Murphy sets up a reverse auction using a promise. Thread: "Reverse auction (attn Notary)" Can you link to this in the archive? I don't seem to have received this email. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Prime Minister of Agora :)
DIS: Re: BUS: friendly neighborhood notary creates competition in the food industry
On 10/26/2020 6:11 PM, Falsifian via agora-business wrote: I become an Ordardor. I'm not sure this works because you misspelled Orchardor. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Prime Minister of Agora :)
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AGORA QUEST
On 10/15/2020 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: On 10/15/2020 1:58 PM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote: On 10/15/2020 3:02 PM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: I transfer a ROLL INITIATIVE promise from the Library to myself and cash it, specifying the text "Attempt to SEDUCE AGORA with very SENSUAL MOVEMENTS." because why the heck not lol every rpg gets around to this eventually. I pay 10 coins to Cuddlebeam, to vote for the above option with the slight amendment "I think what's SENSUAL to rule 101 is a sexily airtight argument". I second this notion. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Prime Minister of Agora :)
Re: DIS: The State of the Agoran Economy
On 10/15/2020 12:01 PM, nix via agora-discussion wrote: However, I just wanted to shout-out Trigon, Aris, and G. for actively working on fixes and Jason, Gaelan and ATMunn and probably someone I missed for participating in the conversations and helping us flesh out our thoughts. I'm flattered that you consider my random joke suggestions participation in the conversation. :P -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Prime Minister of Agora :)
Re: DIS: down with whatever!
On 10/14/2020 11:32 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: Proto: Rebellion Redux (as blots accumulate a bit...) Re-enact rule 1664 (Rebellion) with Power-2 and the following text: Orthodoxy is an active player switch, tracked by the Referee, with values Abiding (default) and Rebel. An active player other than the Prime Minister CAN flip eir orthdoxy by announcement, if e has not done so during the current month. If a player becomes Prime Minister, e becomes Abiding. At the beginning of each month, each Rebel is granted 2 Blots. A Rebel CAN Call for Revolt by announcement, provided that no other call for revolt has been made that week and that no successful revolt has occurred for a month or more. Following a call for revolt, the Referee CAN (once) resolve that revolt by announcement, selecting a random integer between 1 and the number of active players. E SHALL do so in a timely fashion after the call. If this number is less than or equal to the number of Rebels, then the Revolt succeeds; otherwise it fails. All numbers used in this calculation are determined at the time of the call for revolt. If a Revolt succeeds, then the following events occur in order, based on player orthodoxy at the time of the call for revolt: * the Blots of all Rebels are destroyed. * each Rebel is granted a Victory Card. * the office of Prime Minister becomes vacant. * each office held by an Abiding player becomes interim. * all Rebels become Abiding. If a Revolt does not succeed, then: * All Rebels are granted 2 Blots. * The player who Called for Revolt is granted 2 (additional) Blots. * the Prime Minister is granted a Victory Card. This sounds fun. I feel like there should be a bit more of a reward for the Abiding players upon a failed Revolt, but I'm not quite sure what it would be. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Prime Minister of Agora :)
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Notary] The Notes (contracts) | also @ADoP and @Tailor
On 10/13/2020 12:45 PM, nix via agora-discussion wrote: On 10/12/20 12:56 PM, ATMunn via agora-official wrote: "Co Dependents" nix, R. Lee I'm not a member of this contract (haven't been since August). Fixed in local copy. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Prime Minister of Agora :)
DIS: Public Message
I intend for this message to be a public message. I transfer 1 coin to the contract known as The Bank. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Prime Minister of Agora :)
DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] The Ribbon Bar
On 10/1/2020 4:41 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business wrote: nicROGECBMUV PLWKAT informal CoE: who's nic? -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary :)
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] i missed my agoran birthday :(
On 9/24/2020 11:44 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: On 9/24/2020 6:45 AM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote: My Agoran birthday was September 21, but I forgot to announce it. This is very sad. Please feel bad for me. I submit the following proposal: Title: Happy Belated Birthday Adoption index: 1.0 Author: ATMunn Co-authors: { For every vote that evaluates to FOR this proposal, ATMunn is granted 2 coins. } If you add to this something to make it general I'll pay for pending it. By "general" I mean something like (might need wordsmithing), "If a player's Agoran Birthday ends with nobody granting coins for it during that Birthday, then in the seven days following the end of the birthday, each of the other players CAN, once, by announcement, grant em 2 coins for a Belated Birthday." Should I also include a rewording of the whole "anniversary" thing? I was going to, but it ended up being very verbose, and not really fixing anything. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary :)
DIS: friendly neighborhood notary would like to be bribed
hi, i have an officer card to give this month, it can be either voting or victory (or whatever card has the fewest instances, pretty sure it's victory) i am open to deals, don't really have anything in mind but i am most interested in victory and legislative cards -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary :)
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] First Victory Auctions of September 2020
On 9/13/2020 11:33 AM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: On 9/13/2020 3:53 AM, Reuben Staley via agora-official wrote: Regulation AM2/0 Sealed-bid Auctions Sealed-bid auctions function like generalized auctions except: * Players can only submit bids on a sealed-bid auction if they do not have a bid in that auction. * Bids must be initially hidden so that it is impossible to tell its value but that it is verifiable that the amount bid was * decided before the bid was placed. Anything that claims to be a bid and fits these conditions is considered a bid. * Sealed-bid auctions do not end when bidding is closed. Instead, they end four days afterward. * Each player SHOULD reveal eir bid amount on a sealed-bid auction while the auction is closed but has not ended. If e does not do so then eir bid is nulled. * The termination message also includes whether or not each bid is null. * The Nth awardee of a sealed-bid auction is the non-withdrawn funded player whose bid is not nulled and is the Nth highest of all bids placed. I don't quite understand how this works. To bid, do we send the Auctioneer the bid, do we post a hash of the bid, or what? (I got a response from Trigon on Discord, but I'm posting it here for anyone else wondering) "Post it to the public forum obscured in any verifiable way" "A hash works great" -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary :)
DIS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] First Victory Auctions of September 2020
On 9/13/2020 3:53 AM, Reuben Staley via agora-official wrote: Regulation AM2/0 Sealed-bid Auctions Sealed-bid auctions function like generalized auctions except: * Players can only submit bids on a sealed-bid auction if they do not have a bid in that auction. * Bids must be initially hidden so that it is impossible to tell its value but that it is verifiable that the amount bid was * decided before the bid was placed. Anything that claims to be a bid and fits these conditions is considered a bid. * Sealed-bid auctions do not end when bidding is closed. Instead, they end four days afterward. * Each player SHOULD reveal eir bid amount on a sealed-bid auction while the auction is closed but has not ended. If e does not do so then eir bid is nulled. * The termination message also includes whether or not each bid is null. * The Nth awardee of a sealed-bid auction is the non-withdrawn funded player whose bid is not nulled and is the Nth highest of all bids placed. I don't quite understand how this works. To bid, do we send the Auctioneer the bid, do we post a hash of the bid, or what? -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary :)
DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3880 judged TRUE
On 9/13/2020 3:41 AM, Reuben Staley via agora-business wrote: On 9/6/20 6:47 PM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote: On 8/30/2020 2:41 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-official wrote: The below CFJ is 3880. I assign it to ATMunn. status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#3880 === CFJ 3880 === This is a CFJ. == Caller: Trigon Judge: ATMunn == History: Called by Trigon: 25 Aug 2020 20:29:58 Assigned to ATMunn: [now] == Alleged calling message: https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2020-August/044696.html Arbitor's Note: If a judge finds that eir assigned CFJ is not a CFJ, common practice is to leave it in the archives with its initial ID number (along with the not- judgement) and not reassign the ID#, so it can be used as a handy reference for any follow-up CFJs that might be called on the matter. == Judge's Arguments: The only relevant piece of the rules here is the first paragraph of Rule 991: Any person (the initiator) can initiate a Call for Judgement (CFJ, syn. Judicial Case), specifying a statement to be inquired into by announcement. It seems reasonable to interpret the statement of "This is a CFJ" as meaning "I initiate a CFJ with the statement 'This is a CFJ'". We allow the format "CFJ: blah", and this is not that far off from that. I judge CFJ 3880 TRUE. [I could certainly see the arguments for FALSE as well, but I don't have much time and it doesn't really matter much anyway. If anyone is strongly opposed, file a Motion, but I don't think anyone will care that much.] Agora why are you like this? no u -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary :)
DIS: Re: BUS: [@Notary] Contract: The Amendable Contract
On 9/2/2020 2:47 PM, ATMunn wrote: On 9/2/2020 2:32 PM, nix via agora-business wrote: On 9/2/20 1:30 PM, nix via agora-business wrote: I consent to and join the following contract { Any player CAN join this contract by announcement. When a player does so, e is added to the end of the Turn List. Starting with the first player on the Turn List (and looping back to the top after the last person on the list), parties CAN add or remove a single word (defined as a single chunk of symbols with a space or punctuation on either side) from the Amendable Text by announcement. The Amendable Text starts blank, and has effect as a part of this contract. nix SHOULD post the text of the amendable contract at least once a week. } -- nix Prime Minister, Webmastor I add the word " Marvy " to the Amendable Text. I become a party to The Amendable Contract and add the word " is " to the Amendable Text. Actually, this was INEFFECTIVE I believe. Since nix was previously the only party, e was still at the beginning of the Turn List when I joined. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Speaker of Agora :)
DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] The Ribbon Bar
On 8/31/2020 10:05 AM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote: Whoops, guess I never got my Platinum ribbon. I award myself a Platinum ribbon. Sorry, probably shouldn't have bottom-posted this. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Speaker of Agora :)
Re: DIS: Re: [@Treasuror?] Re: BUS: [Contract] Proofs of Claim
On 8/29/2020 4:40 PM, ATMunn wrote: On 8/29/2020 4:32 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: (I don't see any evidence that "file a proof of claim" is a term of art). Doesn't matter - the contract said it was a thing that could be done. (To be honest though - I completely see where you're coming from and you very much might be right. I just had to try it.) Feel free to CFJ - I'm not going to because I want my 10 coins :P -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Speaker of Agora :)
Re: DIS: Re: [@Treasuror?] Re: BUS: [Contract] Proofs of Claim
On 8/29/2020 4:32 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: (I don't see any evidence that "file a proof of claim" is a term of art). Doesn't matter - the contract said it was a thing that could be done. (To be honest though - I completely see where you're coming from and you very much might be right. I just had to try it.) -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Speaker of Agora :)
Re: DIS: lists were briefly down
On 8/25/2020 8:12 PM, omd via agora-discussion wrote: The lists were down for about four hours total. The VPS hosting the lists was forcibly shut off due to non-payment (I missed the email with the invoice). I happened to be actively checking my emails at the time, so I noticed and paid within half an hour, but then the VPS failed to start back up because of an fsck error, and I didn’t notice that until now. Should be good now; hope that error wasn't anything serious... ;) - The Distributor aw man, i had a brilliant, genius, unstoppable scam that i did during that time and only could have done during that time, guess nobody will ever know what it is now... (/s obviously) -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Speaker of Agora :)
DIS: Re: BUS: Re: The Supertask Experiment
On 8/25/2020 2:42 PM, Nathan S via agora-business wrote: On 8/25/2020 11:21 AM, Nathan S wrote: { Name: The Supertask Experiment Parties: Nathan Only Nathan may be a party to this contract. Nathan may not destroy this contract. All actions in this contract happen under a "I say, I do, therefore it happens" basis, meaning that all actions are taken instantly, without implicitly advancing time. As the rules do not prohibit it, in this contract, multiple actions may happen at the same time. Time does not advance during this contract's effects unless explicitly stated by this contract or the rules. This contract is capable of owning assets. For the purposes of this contract, an instant is defined to be a specific moment in time, with infinite instants in any given division or unit of time. An example of an instant would be precisely 1.87856 seconds after midnight on July 12, 1983. Any measurement of precise time can be understood to be an instant. An instant can not cover more than a single instance of precise time. For example, an instant can not be the entirety of the second after midnight on July 12, 1983, but precisely one second after midnight on July 12, 1983 can be understood to be an instant. Multiple actions can resolve in the same instant. If an action starts and resolves in the same instant, that action takes no time. Actions that resolve in the same instant can be dependent upon prior actions in that instant. For example, in the same announcement, one can transfer coins from a locker or similar contract to themselves, and then perform an action with those coins, both of those actions happening in the same instant despite the second action being dependent on the first one. Actions dependent on another action can be started and resolved at the same instant as the action it is dependent on without passing time. This contract can perform any number of, or every, action(s) on the behalf of any party to this contract. This contract can consent to any number of, or every, action(s) on the behalf of any party to this contract. This contract and any parties to this contract consent to every transfer of Dock assets. A Dock asset is an asset with default owner Nathan. The class of entities which can own a Dock asset is restricted to Nathan and this contract. If the ownership of a Dock asset were to be transferred to the Lost and Found Department, ownership is instead transferred to whoever most recently had the Dock Asset, not including the Lost and Found Department. A Dock asset can be transferred to this contract or any party to this contract. Consent of parties to this contract or the consent of this contract itself is not needed to transfer a Dock asset to this contract or to parties of this contract. This contract can create a Dock asset at any instant. This contract creates one Dock asset. If, at any instant, Nathan owns any given Dock asset, this contract will, on eir behalf, transfer that Dock asset to this contract. If, at any instant, this contract owns any given Dock asset, this contract will transfer that Dock asset to Nathan. } The Supertask Experiment fails. Contracts are not able to act on behalf of players. You could still amend it to make it work - instead of saying that the contract does a thing, say that the contract enables a party to do said thing (if that makes any sense). Also, if you are actually done with it - as the Notary, the person who keeps track of contracts, I would request that you destroy the contract. You'll have to amend it to allow you to destroy it though. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Speaker of Agora :)
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract: Let's snag D. Margaux
On 8/21/2020 6:00 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: On Aug 21, 2020, at 1:31 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: On 8/19/2020 3:38 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote: On Aug 19, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: On Aug 19, 2020, at 12:27 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote: { Name: Team Margaux Parties: Gaelan Any player may become a party to this contract. Any player other than Gaelan may cease to be a party to this contract. Any party may transfer coins to this contract. A person's balance is the total number of coins they have transferred to this contract. A person's share is eir balance, divided by the total number of coins transferred to this contract. Whenever this contract has more coins than the current highest bid on the August 2020 zombie auction, Gaelan SHALL within 24 hours, and any party may act on Gaelan's behalf to, place a bid of the number of coins held by this contract. For the avoidance of doubt, another player acting on Gaelan's behalf to perform this actions satisfies Gaelan's obligation to do son. When the August 2020 zombie auction ends, if Gaelan is an awardee of a lot, e SHALL within a timely fashion, and any party may act on eir behalf to perform the following process: - transfer all coins held by this contract to emself (which e MAY do only as part of this process) - pay a fee of that many coins to transfer the corresponding talisman to emself - act on behalf of the zombie corresponding to said talisman to transfer all of the zombie's coins to Gaelan - transfer to each party a number of coins equal to the number transferred from the zombie, multiplied by eir share, rounded down (instead of transferring assets to emself, Gaelan may do nothing) After the August 2020 zombie auction ends, if Gaelan is not the awardee of a lot, any party may transfer a number of coins equal to eir balance from this contract to emself. Gaelan may destroy this contract by announcement if it holds no assets and e has fulfilled all of eir obligations under this contract. } I consent to, and do, amend this contract by replacing "do son" with "do so," resulting in the following body: { Name: Team Margaux Parties: Gaelan Any player may become a party to this contract. Any player other than Gaelan may cease to be a party to this contract. Any party may transfer coins to this contract. A person's balance is the total number of coins they have transferred to this contract. A person's share is eir balance, divided by the total number of coins transferred to this contract. Whenever this contract has more coins than the current highest bid on the August 2020 zombie auction, Gaelan SHALL within 24 hours, and any party may act on Gaelan's behalf to, place a bid of the number of coins held by this contract. For the avoidance of doubt, another player acting on Gaelan's behalf to perform this actions satisfies Gaelan's obligation to do so. When the August 2020 zombie auction ends, if Gaelan is an awardee of a lot, e SHALL within a timely fashion, and any party may act on eir behalf to perform the following process: - transfer all coins held by this contract to emself (which e MAY do only as part of this process) - pay a fee of that many coins to transfer the corresponding talisman to emself - act on behalf of the zombie corresponding to said talisman to transfer all of the zombie's coins to Gaelan - transfer to each party a number of coins equal to the number transferred from the zombie, multiplied by eir share, rounded down (instead of transferring assets to emself, Gaelan may do nothing) After the August 2020 zombie auction ends, if Gaelan is not the awardee of a lot, any party may transfer a number of coins equal to eir balance from this contract to emself. Gaelan may destroy this contract by announcement if it holds no assets and e has fulfilled all of eir obligations under this contract. } Also, for reference, the highest bid is currently 411. D. Margaux currently has 1264 coins, so anything below that is a profitable bid. Gaelan TTttPF Additionally, I consent to, and do, amend this contract by replacing "balance" with "contribution" [which isn't defined differently by the rules], resulting in the text: { Name: Team Margaux Parties: Gaelan Any player may become a party to this contract. Any player other than Gaelan may cease to be a party to this contract. Any party may transfer coins to this contract. A person's contribution is the total number of coins they have transferred to this contract. A person's share is eir contribution, divided by the total number of coins transferred to this contract. Whenever this contract has more coins than the current highest bid on the August 2020 zombie auction, Gaelan SHALL within 24 hours, and any party may act on Gaelan's be
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract: Let's snag D. Margaux
's behalf to perform this actions satisfies Gaelan's obligation to do so. When the August 2020 zombie auction ends, if Gaelan is an awardee of a lot, e SHALL within a timely fashion, and any party may act on eir behalf to perform the following process: - transfer all coins held by this contract to emself (which e MAY do only as part of this process) - pay a fee of that many coins to transfer the corresponding talisman to emself - act on behalf of the zombie corresponding to said talisman to transfer all of the zombie's coins to Gaelan - transfer to each party a number of coins equal to the number transferred from the zombie, multiplied by eir share, rounded down (instead of transferring assets to emself, Gaelan may do nothing) After the August 2020 zombie auction ends, if Gaelan is not the awardee of a lot, any party may transfer a number of coins equal to eir contribution from this contract to emself. Gaelan may destroy this contract by announcement if it holds no assets and e has fulfilled all of eir obligations under this contract. } Gaelan It's worth noting that you have "Parties: Gaelan" inside the brackets, potentially denoting that you are the only party to this contract. This most likely isn't an issue since the first sentence states that any player may become a party to the contract (also, it's fixed in the next revision), but I wanted to bring it up. Unless a CFJ is called, I'll treat it as you would expect, i.e. that other players can still join. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Speaker of Agora :)
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Joining Agora
On 8/19/2020 2:03 PM, Nathan S via agora-discussion wrote: On 8/19/2020 10:48 AM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: On 8/19/2020 12:46 PM, Nathan LastName via agora-business wrote: Hello! In accordance with rule 869, I am expressing intent to become a player. I am looking forward to joining the game. - Nathan Welcome to Agora! Thank you for the welcome! I'm excited to be here! Almost forgot to mention: if you use Discord, we have an (unofficial, but pretty active) Discord server here: https://discord.gg/ajZMB7 -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Speaker of Agora :)
DIS: Re: BUS: Joining Agora
On 8/19/2020 12:46 PM, Nathan LastName via agora-business wrote: Hello! In accordance with rule 869, I am expressing intent to become a player. I am looking forward to joining the game. - Nathan Welcome to Agora! -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Speaker of Agora :)
DIS: Re: BUS: @Notary Donation Level Petition
On 8/14/2020 11:59 AM, Falsifian via agora-business wrote: On 2020-08-14 14:43, ATMunn via agora-business wrote: On 8/13/2020 11:29 PM, Falsifian via agora-business wrote: Title: Agoran Press { Purpose: support the documentation of Agoran events in a way that informs current players and non-players and also supports future research. Whereas the Agoran Press rewards its members only for the honourable work of Reporting, which is surely for the better of our good Nomic of Agora, I do now petition our Honourable Notary to flip its Donation Level to 25 or a number near to that. Though I technically SHOULD NOT do this, because the contract's provisions do not explicitly "ensure that its funds received from Agora will be used solely for the betterment of Agora," I will anyways. I do not believe the author has any malicious intentions, but instead simply overlooked that part of Rule 2631. I intend, with 3 Agoran consent, to flip the donation level of the contract "Agoran Press" to 25. I support. I'm confused by your statement, though. The contract's provisions ensure the money is used only to reward people who write Reportor summaries, and I think it is better for Agora if people write such summaries. Are you saying the contract's provisions need to mention the betterment of Agora explicitly? (I was thinking of the provision you quoted when I wrote my petition.) Hm, you have a point. I read "ensure" as meaning something close to "explicitly state" but I see now how it could easily go the other way. Thinking about it more, I'm not sure what the right answer actually is. I don't think it's grounds for a CFJ though since it's only a SHOULD and requires 3 Agoran consent anyway. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary here :)
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Functional Emergency Regulations [Certification Request]
NttPF On 8/14/2020 2:42 AM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: I support. Gaelan On Aug 9, 2020, at 2:58 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 11:02 AM Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: On 8/3/20 10:19 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: I submit the following proposal: Title: Functional Emergency Regulations Oh, I request certification of the above proposal. The proposal is certifiable because it attempts to resolve a bug that renders a game mechanic clearly intended to work nonfunctional. For N from 2 through 5, I intend with N support to certify this proposal (i.e. cause it to become pending). -Aris -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
DIS: Re: BUS: I can give a voting card away as coopor
On 8/8/2020 12:55 AM, N. S. via agora-business wrote: tell me why i should give it to you because -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
DIS: Re: BUS: Promises (attn Notary)
On 8/2/2020 10:23 AM, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: I grant myself the following promise: { Cashing conditions: The bearer has transferred Murphy one Legislative Card in the same message as which e cashes this promise, and has not cashed any other promise between doing so and cashing this promise. I transfer one Victory Card to the bearer. } I grant myself the following promise: { Cashing conditions: The bearer has transferred Murphy one Legislative Card in the same message as which e cashes this promise, and has not cashed any other promise between doing so and cashing this promise. I transfer one Justice Card to the bearer. } I grant myself the following promise: { Cashing conditions: The bearer has transferred Murphy one Legislative Card in the same message as which e cashes this promise, and has not cashed any other promise between doing so and cashing this promise. I transfer one Voting Card to the bearer. } You need to transfer these to the Library in order for anyone to cash them. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
DIS: Re: OFF: [Notary] The Notes (contracts)
On 8/2/2020 10:17 AM, ATMunn via agora-official wrote: Date of last report: 28 Jul 2020 Date of this report: Whoops, forgot to add this. Obviously, the date of this report is 2 Aug 2020. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
DIS: Re: BUS: [@Notary] Leaving Contracts
On 7/28/2020 4:28 PM, nix via agora-business wrote: I intend, with 1 day notice, to leave Co Dependents. I don't believe you ever fulfilled this intent. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] very minor bugfix
On 7/30/2020 2:21 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: On Jul 30, 2020, at 10:08 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: I submit the following proposal with: Title: a minor adjustment Chamber: Legislation Adoption index: 1.0 Author: G. text: --- If G., acting as emself, has published a single body of text clearly labeled as "THE MYSTERY DOCUMENT" after the voting period on the referendum for this proposal has began, this proposal applies all effects specified in that body of text. ——— Alright, as per tradition, someone’s gotta start the scam speculation thread. Possibilities I can see: - G. has a proposal force-through scam - G’s hoping to bribe people into voting for this, possibly by revealing the MYSTERY DOCUMENT to them in private As to what the MYSTERY DOCUMENT is, I wouldn’t read too much into the AI of 1.0—power escalation scams are, in my experience, pretty easy to come by. Any further thoughts? Gaelan Obviously, it's just a very minor bugfix. Why would it be anything else? -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3866 Judged FALSE
On 7/29/2020 4:06 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: I motion to reconsider. This fails; group-filing a Motion to Reconsider is a 2-support dependent action. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Glitteral
On 7/26/2020 8:02 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: On 7/26/20 1:21 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: On 7/26/2020 7:37 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-official wrote: Glitter prices at end of week: Red 16 coins Violet 9 coins Orange 12 coins Indigo 21 coins Green 15 coins Platinum 15 coins Emerald 16 coins Lime 18 coins Cyan 11 coins White 18 coins Blue 11 coins blacK 10 coins Magenta 9 coins grAy 8 coins Ultraviolet 11 coins Transparent 15 coins Shouldn't the value of Transparent glitter have gone down after I got my Transparent ribbon? or am I just misunderstanding something? It did, but it went back up because of Jason's Banner. Oh, right. Got it. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
DIS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Glitteral
On 7/26/2020 7:37 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-official wrote: Glitter prices at end of week: Red 16 coinsViolet9 coins Orange 12 coinsIndigo 21 coins Green15 coinsPlatinum 15 coins Emerald 16 coinsLime 18 coins Cyan 11 coinsWhite18 coins Blue 11 coinsblacK10 coins Magenta 9 coinsgrAy 8 coins Ultraviolet 11 coinsTransparent 15 coins Shouldn't the value of Transparent glitter have gone down after I got my Transparent ribbon? or am I just misunderstanding something? -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Agoran Directory
Is there a reason why Fred's email is shown with the @ symbol, while all other emails use the word "at"? On 7/24/2020 1:28 PM, Falsifian via agora-official wrote: The Agoran Directory Date of last report: 2020-07-15 (Wed) Date of this report: 2020-07-24 (Fri) (all times UTC) Archive of reports on the web: https://agoranomic.org/Registrar/Reports/ Recent Events (recent events section not ratifying) 20-Jun-20 19:59 Bögtil deregisters. 21-Jun-20 06:14 Zyborg registers. 30-Jun-20 14:26 nch exiles R. Lee. 30-Jun-20 14:26 Tcbapo's Master switch is set to Agora (R2532). 30-Jun-20 14:26 R. Lee registers. 30-Jun-20 14:26 The following happens 55 more times: * nch exiles R. Lee. * R. Lee registers. 03-Jul-20 18:32 Falsifian's email address changed to agora at falsifian.org. 03-Jul-20 23:00 Fred registers. 12-Jul-20 04:33 Falsifian deregisters Tcbapo with notice. 12-Jul-20 04:36 Falsifian transfers Telnaior's talisman to Agora. (time of last report) 18-Jul-20 19:08 Name change: nch -> nix; also, new email address. 23-Jul-20 20:50 Jason transfers the talisman for D. Margaux to Agora. 23-Jul-20 20:50 Jason transfers the talisman for sukil to Agora. 23-Jul-20 20:50 Jason transfers the talisman for Baron von Vaderham to Agora. There are 22 Players. The below is a list of all players and also of all talismans (there is one talisman for each player). Player Contact Registered -- --- -- omd comexk at gmail.com [0] 03 Feb 11 Aris thoughtsoflifeandlight17 at gmail.com 13 Sep 16 Gaelan gbs at canishe.com 15 May 17 G. kerim at uw.edu 25 Aug 17 Cuddlebeam cuddlebeam at gmail.com 25 Aug 17 Trigon reuben.staley at gmail.com 24 Sep 17 Murphy emurphy42 at zoho.com 17 Dec 17 ATMunn iamingodsarmy at gmail.com 11 Mar 18 Falsifian agora at falsifian.org 13 Feb 19 Jason jason.e.cobb at gmail.com 02 Jun 19 nix nixnull+agora at protonmail.com [1] 18 Oct 19 P.S.S. [2] p.scribonius.scholasticus at gmail.com 01 Mar 20 grok grokagora at gmail.com 20 May 20 Tyler tylermeady at gmail.com 06 Jun 20 Zyborg zyborgmao at gmail.com 21 Jun 20 R. Lee edwardostrange at gmail.com 30-Jun-20 Fred zarathustraincande...@gmail.com 03-Jul-20 z twg me at timon.red 24 May 18 z D. Margaux [3] dmargaux000 at gmail.com 25 Aug 18 z Baron von Vaderham davidseeber at outlook.com 04 Feb 19 z sukil sukiletxe+agora at gmail.com 12 Feb 20 z Telnaior JDGA at iinet.net.au 21 Mar 20 z=zombie Zombie masters and resale values (self-ratifying): Resale Last owned Due to flip Zombie Master value by Agora to Agora -- -- --- --- --- twg G. 1 2020-06-11 20:16 2020-09-09 20:16 Baron v V [4] Agora 2 now D. Margaux Agora 2 now Telnaior Agora 2 now sukil Agora 2 now The talisman of each player in the "Zombie" column above is owned by the player in the "Master" column in the same row. The talisman for each player not listed in the Zombie column is owned by that player. Fora (Rule 478, self-ratifying) Type Location Typical use --- Public agora-official at agoranomic.org official reports Public agora-business at agoranomic.org other business Discussion agora-discussion at agoranomic.org discussion Discussion irc://irc.freenode.net:6667/##nomic <https://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=%23%23nomic> discussion Foreign* https://discord.gg/FwmJW8 discussion Public agora at listserver.tue.nl backup *Some players hang out here. No official status. Subscribe or unsubscribe from main lists:http://www.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo Subscribe or unsubscribe from tue.nl backup list:http://listserver.tue.nl/mailman/listinfo/agora The IRC channel does not require subscription
Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] [Weekly Report]
On 7/23/2020 8:53 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-business wrote: In my defense, Voting Cards and Victory Cards are confusingly named. Can't disagree. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
DIS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] [Weekly Report]
On 7/23/2020 5:18 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-official wrote: +++++++++++ | Player | cn | wc | jc | lc | vc | wp | bg | pd | xv | +++++++++++ |ATMunn | 39| 0| 0| 0| 2| 0| 0| 1| 0| Pretty sure I have 2 victory cards, not voting cards. I think this happened because you have the result of the victory auction listed as giving a voting card (cuz abbreviations). Also, I think I still have a voting card - I don't remember doing anything with it and I can't find the transfer in the logs. Could be wrong, though. Apologies for not realizing this stuff sooner. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
Re: DIS: Coming clean
On 7/21/2020 8:14 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: I'd be happy to share the model at some point, but its a bit of a pain—I think it's 1.5 GB—so I'm not sure how best to do that. In the meantime, I'm happy to try out any inputs y'all are curious about. Also, From headers were included in the training data, so I should be able to ask it to generate message from specific Agorans. That might be fun. I would definitely be interested in seeing what it comes up with for specific Agorans. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Notary] The Notes: Tuesday Edition
On 7/21/2020 4:51 PM, nix via agora-discussion wrote: On 7/21/20 3:46 PM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote: ██ ██ ███ ███ ██ █ ███ ██ ████ ██ ██ ██ ██ ██████ ██ █████ █ ██ ██ ██ ██ ██████ ████ ██ ████ ██ ██████ ██ ████ ██ ███ ██ ███ █ █████ ██ -~= Notary's weekly report =~- I think this is missing a couple pledges I made [0][1]: [0] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg37686.html [1] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg37692.html Whoops, I knew I was missing some pledges somewhere. Thanks. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
DIS: Re: BUS: Registration
On 7/20/2020 5:46 PM, Greg P. Thomas II via agora-business wrote: -- Trigon either this is the best fake i've ever seen or... -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
DIS: Re: OFF: [Diplonomic 2020] Daily Status of Play: Fall 1903 Part 1
On 7/19/2020 8:07 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-official wrote: There are three proposals up for voting this turn (Please vote!): three != four -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
DIS: Re: OFF: Re: [dicelog] Dice Rolls For Content of Barrels
It's worth noting that I never got the actual dicelog email, only your reply to it. On 7/20/2020 7:08 AM, N. S. via agora-official wrote: So this gives the following four bargains, all of which I intend to put on the barrel with notice Bargain 1, Payout 7 Cards: Voting, Legislative, Victory, Legislative, Justice, Voting Bargain 2, payout 10 Cards: Victory, Victory, Voting, Victory, Victory, Legislative Bargain 3 payout 8 Cards: Victory, Justice, Justice, Voting, Legislative, Legislative Bargain 4 payout 3 Cards: Voting, Legislative, Victory, Justice, Justice, Legislative On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 9:03 PM Dice Server -1trthsb- < diceser...@dicelog.com> wrote: This is an automatic message. This message was generated by edwardostra...@gmail.com through the "hamete virtual dice server" at https://dicelog.com Message sent to: edwardostra...@gmail.com agora-offic...@agoranomic.org Dice Roll Information: -- Dice Results: - Result of the throw of dice "24d4 : 4d10" : 2 + 3 + 1 + 3 + 4 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 4 + 1 + 4 + 4 + 2 + 3 + 3 + 2 + 3 + 1 + 4 + 4 + 3 = 59 // 7 + 10 + 8 + 3 = 28 If you have any doubt, you can verify the validity of this message, using the Verification Number on https://dicelog.com/verif : 58kqcxh3kx or simply (*) click the URL: https://dicelog.com/verif?vnum=58kqcxh3kx (*): you may have a security warning about invalid SSL certificate, see why: http://dicelog.com/inc/sslwarning_en.html Regards, the dicelog.com team. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
DIS: Re: BUS: [Promotor] Removals
On 7/19/2020 4:24 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: - Warmer Welcomes [1] - Regulated Welcoming Coinage [1] Title may include quotes on either side should I not be putting quotes around my titles? -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
DIS: Re: BUS: Dipolnomic proposal
On 7/18/2020 8:58 PM, N. S. via agora-business wrote: I make the following diplonomic proposal named eat the rich Make the following rule 'after each build phase, the power with the most units has one of their units randomly destroyed' This didn't create a proposal; proposals are only anonymous now. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8473-8476
On 7/17/2020 12:34 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: On 7/12/2020 11:24 PM, N. S. via agora-business wrote: 8476e^ ATMunn, [1] 1.0 Contract charities AGAINST R. Lee, I would kindly ask you to withdraw this vote. If you do so, I can get an orange ribbon for this proposal and get a transparent ribbon. I will gladly pay you in coins or cards (though I don't have all that much at the moment). Or at the very least, if you are so adamantly against the proposal that you are not willing to change your vote, I would appreciate an explanation as to what is wrong with the proposal. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8473-8476
On 7/12/2020 11:24 PM, N. S. via agora-business wrote: 8476e^ ATMunn, [1] 1.0 Contract charities AGAINST R. Lee, I would kindly ask you to withdraw this vote. If you do so, I can get an orange ribbon for this proposal and get a transparent ribbon. I will gladly pay you in coins or cards (though I don't have all that much at the moment). -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
DIS: Re: BUS: Pledge Shenanigans
On 7/16/2020 1:42 PM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote: I pledge to not say the word "tacos" in any context for the next 24 hours. The time window of this pledge is 24 hours and breaking the pledge shall be a class 1 crime. I like tacos. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
DIS: Friendly Neighborhood Notary Petitions the Honorable Associate Director of Personnel for a Change of Interest
Dear H. ADoP, I, the Notary of Agora, humbly submit my request for the interests of the office of Notary to be updated. It is my humble opinion that the Notary not only deals with the Economy, but also has interests in player Participation. The Notary puts in a lot of effort into fulfilling eir duties and is currently rewarded very minimally, and is not even able to grant cards to eir fellow Agorans. Therefore, H. ADoP, I request that you use your official authority to flip the Interest switch of Notary to [Economy, Participation] without objection. Long live Agora! -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer something something INFINITY ENGINE [Attn. Notary, Treasuror]
On 7/14/2020 5:58 PM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: On Tue, 2020-07-14 at 23:54 +0200, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: Seeing how many active players were against this and this needs a high amount of people to work... For what it's worth, I think it's likely best to fix this rather than leave the "loophole" open, and the best fix is probably to not allocate Victory Cards after a reset (whilst continuing to allocate them to new players). There's a reason that resets typically only destroy the assets used to win, not create new ones. Maybe when a sets victory happens, all Victory Cards and Victory Points are destroyed but all others remain the same? -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Secret Contracts (@R. Lee)
On 7/7/2020 7:55 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-business wrote: On 2020-07-07 17:43, N. S. via agora-business wrote: i have one card now, i cease to be a member of contract 6 though Okay, in that case, I perform the Secret Action of Contract 3. Relevant section: Trigon CAN, when the number of parties to this contract is the same as its party limit, and SHALL, in a timely fashion after that, perform all the following steps in order in the same message without performing any other actions until the process is complete. 1. Reveal the unhashed text of the Secret Action. 2. Perform the Secret Action, taking all steps identified therein. 3. Leave this contract. The hashed Secret Action is: c96b8d180a178d4761cac40e9120e35d662cd32c31050cfbf0d4c4b16fb6fce7 FIRST, I reveal the Secret Action. The full text reads: 489248320489 If the other party to this contract posesses cards, Trigon chooses one of their cards and transfers it to emself, then transfers one of eir own cards to the other party of this contract. Again, a file is attached which hashes to the correct output if the above line gets mangled somehow. SECOND, I perform the actions specified. I choose R. Lee's legislative card from eir vast selection. I transfer it to myself. I then transfer my Victory Card to R. Lee. THIRD, I leave Secret Contract No. 3. Pleasure doing business. R. Lee, unless I missed a message somewhere, you never left this contract, therefore it still exists but is useless. Just FYI. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
DIS: [Draft Contract] Contract Awards
I have drafted a simple contract to make my Contract Awards system more official. Comments welcome, but if there are no major flaws, I will likely create this contract in the next few hours. { Contract Points are a fixed, indestructible currency with ownership restricted to persons, tracked by the Notary. Once per week, the Notary SHOULD publish a list of all Contract Point balances. To award a gold medal to a person is to cause em to earn 3 Contract Points; to award a silver medal to a person is to cause em to earn 2 Contract Points; and to award a bronze medal to a person is to cause em to earn 1 Contract Point. If e has not done so already in the current week, the Notary CAN award gold, silver, and bronze medals. E SHALL NOT do so except in accordance with the following set of guidelines: 1. There are three award categories: Participation, Popularity, and Opulence. 2. The Participation Award shall be given to the persons who are party to the greatest number of contracts. 3. The Popularity Award shall be given to the persons who are creators of contracts with the greatest numbers of parties. 4. The Opulence Award shall be given to the persons who are creators of contracts with the greatest number of coins. 5. In each category, a gold medal shall be awarded to the single person who came in first place; a silver medal shall be awarded to the single person who came in second place; and a bronze medal shall be awarded to the single person who came in third place. 6. If two or more players would qualify for a gold, silver, or bronze medal in a particular category, no medal of that type shall be awarded in that category. The Notary is ENCOURAGED to publish the list of Contract Point balances and award medals soon after e publishes eir weekly report. If any person has at least 30 Contract Points, the Notary SHOULD award em the Terms of Service Patent Title. Unless the Notary deems that a particular person has created an exceptionally outstanding contract worthy of bypassing this system, e SHOULD NOT award any player the Terms of Service Patent Title for reasons outside of this contract. When a person is awarded the Terms of Service Patent Title, all of eir Contract Points are destroyed. Any player CAN become a party, or cease to be a party, to this contract by announcement. } -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
Re: DIS: [Diplonomic] Conditional Builds
thanks captain obvious On 7/12/2020 10:15 PM, N. S. via agora-discussion wrote: i think this was mistakenly sent here. On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 11:55 AM ATMunn via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: I now fully understand conditionals. If Germany attempts to move eir fleet to Swe, then I would like to build a fleet in Stp/sc. Otherwise, build an army in War. (If only one build is available, this is the order I would prefer) For my other build, build a fleet in Sev unless it is occupied, otherwise build an army in Mos. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :) -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
DIS: please ignore the above
On 7/12/2020 9:54 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: I now fully understand conditionals. If Germany attempts to move eir fleet to Swe, then I would like to build a fleet in Stp/sc. Otherwise, build an army in War. (If only one build is available, this is the order I would prefer) For my other build, build a fleet in Sev unless it is occupied, otherwise build an army in Mos. please just y'know ignore this thanks :) -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
DIS: [Diplonomic] Conditional Builds
I now fully understand conditionals. If Germany attempts to move eir fleet to Swe, then I would like to build a fleet in Stp/sc. Otherwise, build an army in War. (If only one build is available, this is the order I would prefer) For my other build, build a fleet in Sev unless it is occupied, otherwise build an army in Mos. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
Re: DIS: [Diplonomic 2020] Advice and Information about Conditionals and Missing Information
On 7/12/2020 8:37 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: First of all, the first set of orders with conditionals is coming in reasonably well. I've had to request a few clarifications or expansions, but people have been helpful and responsive. I would like to make it publicly known that I have prodded and asked for orders in instances where I found them unclear or believed there to have been an oversight in forgetting to update something with a change or failing to include necessary information. I believe this is appropriate because the game should be won on skill of order making and negotiation not on simple mistakes. Second, I should provide some more information on conditionals. Conditionals can use any information that would be publicly available after the orders have been processed. Conditionals can make use of randomness or non-specific algorithms as long as they are definitive and clear. I must, however, be able to evaluate it by hand and, the more complicated and algorithmic it is, the less common sense and forgiveness I will give it. When you leave out information, I will prompt you to provide it, but if it is still missing when I am processing orders, I will first apply the spirit of the civil unrest rules, then common sense, and finally randomness. If I believe you mistyped an order or sent an invalid order, I will ask for clarification of it, but because those are permissible, you can tell me to leave it as is. Concerns have been expressed about the conditional system and the potential lack of information. I apologize for not sending a more obvious reminder about this, but if you want to change it, a proposal would be an appropriate approach. I'm not sure I entirely understood that conditionals were even a thing. Could you give some sort of example of a conditional? -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport
On 7/12/2020 12:21 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-official wrote: OFFICES Office Holder[1] Since Last Election Notary ATMunn 2020-06-07 2020-06-15 Not a CoE because I could be misremembering (or misunderstanding the format), but I'm pretty sure I wasn't Notary until the election. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary, also Czar of Russia :)
DIS: Re: BUS: @Treasuror Weekly Doubloon Report
On 7/12/2020 1:49 AM, N. S. via agora-business wrote: Cuddlebeam, nch, R. Lee, P.S.S., G., Bögtil, Jason, Falsifian, Aris, ATMunn Each of the above listed players has 125/10=12 doubloons. I destroy my 12 doubloons in exchange for the plundership coins. problem: Bögtil is not a player, therefore can't own coins, but e owns doubloons, so those doubloons are currently useless. solution: make it so a) non-players can't own doubloons or b) non- players get kicked out of the contract. idk which one is better -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary, also Czar of Russia :)
DIS: Re: OFF: [Reportor] Last Week in Agora
On 7/12/2020 1:31 AM, Falsifian via agora-official wrote: Agorans' contract fun continues to keep our Notary busy, but not too busy to announce some new (informal) Contract Awards. Let's hope this becomes a tradition. I intend on it becoming so, I just haven't had much time with Diplonomic starting. I plan on making an official contract for it. Should be happening soon. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood russian notary here :)
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Diplonomic Proposal] Order Clarification
On 7/10/2020 12:21 PM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: On 2020-07-10 4:19 p.m., Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: On 2020-07-10 3:58 p.m., ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: On 7/10/2020 11:54 AM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: A Convoy order orders a fleet in a water province to move an army from an adjacent coastal province to another adjacent coastal province. This seems to be saying a fleet can only help convoy an army between two coastal provinces that are adjacent to it, ruling out convoys that require multiple steps. I wasn't sure what exactly to do about that. I see and agree with your interpretation, but I also felt like just removing the word "adjacent" could imply that the unit being convoyed doesn't have to be adjacent at all. I guess that common sense takes over there, though. I think the key is that success for the convoy is a global property depending on the set of undislodged fleets involved. Here's an attempt to replace your last paragraph. Maybe it could be made shorter. { A Convoy order orders a fleet in a water province to move an army from one coastal province to another. All fleets that have convoy orders listing the same source and destination provinces are "participating" in that convoy, with the exception that if a fleet is dislodged, it is not participating. A convoy is successful if the army in question makes a move order consistent with that convoy, and the fleets participating in the convoy form an unbroken chain connecting the two coastal provinces. (Extra participating fleets / multiple chains are okay.) When a convoy is successful, the army's move order is interpreted as if the source and destination provinces were adjacent: for example, if the destination province is empty and no other unit is trying to move to it, then the army will move there. Hm, maybe it should be clarified that support orders are interpreted this way too... When a convoy is successful, that army's move order, and any support orders for that move, are interpreted as if the source and destination provinces were adjacent: for example, if the destination province holds one unsupported unit with a Hold order, and another army is supporting the move into the destination, then the move succeeds and dislodges that unsupported unit. Seems good to me. Should I withdraw my original proposal or should I (or you) submit another one fixing it? -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood russian notary here :)
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Diplonomic Proposal] Order Clarification
On 7/10/2020 11:54 AM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: A Convoy order orders a fleet in a water province to move an army from an adjacent coastal province to another adjacent coastal province. This seems to be saying a fleet can only help convoy an army between two coastal provinces that are adjacent to it, ruling out convoys that require multiple steps. I wasn't sure what exactly to do about that. I see and agree with your interpretation, but I also felt like just removing the word "adjacent" could imply that the unit being convoyed doesn't have to be adjacent at all. I guess that common sense takes over there, though. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood russian notary here :)
DIS: Re: BUS: [Promotor] Removals
On 7/10/2020 12:56 AM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: The Promotor hereby removes each of the following proposals from the Proposal Pool: - Contract charities I'm actually still quite interested in this idea. I don't want to steal authorship from the original author(s) though. Could this be resubmitted? I am willing to pay the pendant even. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood russian notary here :)
Re: DIS: [Protos] Some ideas I've been kicking around
Maybe the best option is to increase the scale to a 0-5 scale instead of 0-3. On 7/9/2020 10:25 PM, N. S. via agora-discussion wrote: ADoP is easy and should be 1, Arbitor should be 2, Herald should be 2. Distributor should be 0 (should be an option). On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 11:55 AM Falsifian via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: I like this idea a lot. As pointed out on Discord, there should be some initial complexity values. I thought I would suggest some: ADoP: 2 Arbitor: 1 Assessor: 3 Coopor: 1 Distributor: N/A? Herald: 1 I think Herald should be higher. E has a wide variety of duties: tracking karma; tracking a long history of patent titles (the only other report I'm aware of that's required to include a historical record is the Registrar's monthly, but I think that's simple by comparison); coordinating peer review and awarding of patent titles; not to mention making sure the Birthday Tournament happens. Not sure if 2 or 3 is appropriate though. Notary: 2 Prime Minister: 0 Promotor: 3 Referee: 2 Registrar: 1 Rulekeepor: 3 Speaker: 0 Tailor: 1 Treasuror: 2 Webmastor: 1 Again, just suggestions; I didn't put a ton of thought into these, and I'm sure some will disagree. But I think something like this would work for the initial values. -- Falsifian -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood russian notary here :)
DIS: Re: OFF: [Diplonomic 2020] Daily Status of Play
Good luck and have fun to all! On 7/9/2020 7:56 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-official wrote: It is now 00:00 UTC on July 10, 2020, so the first official negotiating phase now begins. There are currently a few proposals open, which I reproduce here: "Team Play" by Aris { Amend Diplonomic Rule 7 to read in full: 7. Contestants may seek the assistance of non-Contestants. If any do so, they SHALL notify the Judge and publicly announce the identities of any such non-Contestants and what assistance they will provide. This could include negotiating on eir behalf, providing feedback on orders, or drafting proposals on eir behalf. Any notifications given under the former section 7 of the Birthday Tournament regulations are considered to have fulfilled this section of the Diplonomic 2020 rules. A contestant CAN, by announcement, cause a person who consents to become or cease to be eir teammate, provided the person is not another contestant or the teammate of another contestant. Designating someone as a teammate is considered a notification that the teammate may assist the contestant in any manner. When these rules provide for certain contestants to win by a certain method, the Gamemaster CAN include their teammates and SHALL do so unless it is eir opinion that extraordinary circumstances render it against the best interest of the tournament. Teammates are encouraged to lie to and cheat other teams, and SHALL NOT engage in any behaviors outside of the tournament intended to influence its course; however, they SHALL NOT betray their teams. } omd's Proposal #1 {{ In the following passage of Diplonomic rule 15, change "24:00” to “18:00”: { At the beginning of each turn, there is a period, lasting from 0:00 UTC until 24:00 UTC on the same calendar day, in which negotiations should occur. } [This moves 6 hours from the negotiation period to the order-submitting period, making both 18 hours long, rather than 24 and 12 respectively. The goal is to make it easier to avoid accidentally missing the order-submitting period, even if large chunks of it are taken up by, e.g., sleeping hours or work hours.] }} "Order Clarification" by ATMunn { Amend Diplonomic Rule 17 to read in full: 17. There are four possible orders: Hold, Move, Support, and Convoy. Not giving a unit an order is interpreted as ordering it to hold. A Hold order orders a unit to stay where it is. A Move order orders a unit to move to a different province. Armies can only move onto adjacent inland or coastal provinces. Fleets can only move to adjacent water or coastal provinces. A Move order making use of a Convoy must specify what Convoy paths it will use or conditionals to determine such. Support orders help another unit's action, whether or not it is a unit of the same Great Power. An Army or Fleet can provide support to another Army or Fleet. Support can be offensive or defensive. A unit cannot support an order to or on a province which the supporting unit could not move to itself. A Convoy order orders a fleet in a water province to move an army from an adjacent coastal province to another adjacent coastal province. Multiple fleets may be used to convoy the same army, allowing an army to be convoyed over multiple water provinces. If any fleet involved in a convoy is dislodged, the convoy fails. } "Voting Fixes" by Aris { Amend Diplonomic Rule 8 to read in full: 8. At any time, any Contestant CAN submit a Proposal to change these rules by announcement. Any Contestant CAN withdraw any Proposal e has submitted by announcement. When a Proposal has been submitted but not withdrawn, any Contestant CAN privately send a vote to the Judge, or withdraw eir previous vote. When a Proposal has received a number of non-withdrawn votes in favor greater than half the number of Contestants, the Judge SHALL, in a timely fashion, and CAN enact the proposal by publishing the new text of the rules and the number of votes in favor and against. The Judge SHALL NOT reveal the votes of specific Contestants. } -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood russian notary here :)