[AsburyPark] Re:Library Park
Mario, I'm willing, because I have the time, to meet on a given day, place and time, to clean up, one block, one street at a time, like an improvement group, to make someone else's surroundings pleasing and sanitary. The dollar store on Main and Sewall, sells mops, brooms, buckets, etc., all for a dollar! My galley kitchen and bath, are the only 2 tiled areas, here. I even have a fake grass lawn, on the terrace! Don't laugh! Every summer I create a garden in the large containers I own, creating an oasis in the air! I had huge strawberries, tomatoes and chiles, along with wild flowers, ferns and summer plants growing like mad, over here! I am willing also to plant hardy mums and other seasonal plants, around time, with my 2 good hands and discretionary income, to create the town called perfect, because it's where we should all live! The little breakfast places around town, have the nicest people in the world, operating them, like Chat Nibble and America's Cup! It takes five minutes to scramble eggs and toast a bun, but it always tastes better, when someone else does it! At Sunset Landing, you get those crazy ducks! At Franks, you get the important people and the ordinaries, like me! I dream a world, but since it's just a dream, I try to live it, so Jack, whenever you're ready, I'll come with broom and rubber gloves to clean up! When it's time to plant, I'll provide some flowers! I don't mind a little sweat and I still have 2 good hands. I don't consider myself a do-gooder! I hate 'em! I like to just pitch in, where needed. I still own a couple of aprons, but never considered myself, domestic! When my kids were hungry, I cooked, when they were dirty, I cleaned them in places they didn't know they had! Well, they're gone now and things still need to be done, so just buzz me and tell me where I'm needed! I'm good-hearted, but not a goody, 2 shoes! Just sign me, a dreamer! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/24/2007 8:07:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Simple stuff! Me, with my far left leanings, move to the right many times, if I feel like my personal lifestyle is threatened! I experience many, Oh God moments! People who are down and out, are usually cynical and don't think of helping someone else, until their needs are met and they're usually desperate. I'm at a loss for words, as to how you get them to pick up trash, that someone else is responsible for. As usual, I'm not responsible for any statements, other than my own. As usual, your forthrightness gives one pause. An your loss of words sounds eloquent to me. Chronic problems endured by this city and many others across the nation. And no easy solutions apparently. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: business district merchants
Yes! Bring a coffee pot, and I'll bring/make the coffee! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, theshortsalepro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if a political/charitable event were staged to 1) meet some candidates, 2) donate to a local, worthy cause, and 3) drive some attention into the business district... would anyone be interested? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Grand Ave Bridge
For several days there has been graffiti on the walls of the Grand Ave Bridge. Red spray paint on the south bound road side. First time since the new bridge was built that I recall seeing that. AP going downhill ... Looks like no one cared enough to get the graffiti removed from the buildings around Church Street either. Oh.. that's urban art? .. RIGHT... Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Tavis and Charlie
Best in talking heads TV. Charlie Rose's guest last night was Tavis Smiley -- truly engaging dialogue between the top two in their field. Quick note here for those who might want to set up to record repeats today before off to the day's business. Ch 13, 1:30 this afternoon. Also repeats on WLIWDT a few times, chnannel # varies depending on your cable or Fios set up. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Grand Ave Bridge
In a message dated 10/25/2007 7:05:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Looks like no one cared enough to get the graffiti removed from the buildings around Church Street either. Our school system attacked graffiti within 24 hours. Frustrated the perpetrators. Eventually, it stopped. Zero tolerance for quality of life issues is not small thing. It's not a petty issue either. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: This is where WE send OUR homeless.
The article from Atlantic City's Courier Post was long enough to include several individual stories which should tug at anyone's heart. It's a typical human interest feature. Not investigative journalism. Similar stories periodically appear -- I've been reading them since the early days of the War on Poverty. Not much has changed over the years. These features don't address why we continue to focus on the application of band aids to serious problems facing many. The causes of those problems are glossed over in this article as in all those whose intent is to elicit pity rather than an overview of possible solutions or real help: unskilled laborers, poor education; dysfunctional families; mental illness; addiction to alcohol, drugs, gambling; catatrophic illnesses leading to job loss and bankruptcy; evapoating pension funds; healthcare system in need of an overhaul, and unintegrated social services, et al. The article does elicit an emotional response, but it alludes only to the services which offer revolving doors and no substantive programs to end such misery. I lived in this city when Asbury Park was applying band aids probably more than any other city in this or surrounding counties.(at the time Atlantic City was busy building was casinos). I don't know the answer, but there are foundations with empirical data to support more effective approaches; but their reports won't come in sound bites and so will bore most; and the costs, though miniscule to what Iraq is costing us, will be dismissed as socialized spending. I don't know the answer, but I don't think bake sales, flea markets, or balls will do much good or end the cycle. Original message dated 10/24/2007 8:20:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) , ehjesq [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: _http://www.courierphttp://wwwhttp://wwhttp://wwhttp://w_ (http://www.courierpostonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?) AID=/20071022/ AID=/200710 We should all be proud. == This url will work better: _http://tinyurl.http://tin_ (http://tinyurl.com/2j2z6q) Werner Cordiali saluti, Mario ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: This is where WE send OUR homeless.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: same here, no answer to solve the problems but: 1. Booze 2. Gambling 3. Drugs 4. Affordability even if you work or have other income 5. Knowledge or life skills 6. Thought that jail is better, safer, warmer social 7. Family life cycles 8. Kids having kids having kids Take a look again at Howard Commons at Fort Monmouth. One exmaple where at least temp housing could be utilized. Gov spent millions to renovate, millions to put up gates after 9/11 then close it down and is slated some day to be torn down. Not that I go to AC THAT often, but play black jack at one of the cheaper tables - $5.00. Plenty of times there are people there that are there for the warmth or shelter and free drink of booze or coffee. Like some old guy said to be the other night I'm gonna sit here and drink the rest of this coffee - it cost me $2700... There are people that take advantage of the system, plenty stuck in the system and more that just can't or don't know how to live day to day, earn money or spend it right. Then there's: 1. Booze 2. Gambling 3. Drugs 4. Affordability even if you work or have other income 5. Knowledge or life skills 6. Thought that jail is better, safer, warmer social 7. Family life cycles 8. Kids having kids having kids Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: APP.COM - Shelter may wind up homeless | Asbury Park Press Online
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Asked if they could be taken to Market Street's successful program in Morristown, Williams said, Morristown might have a big issue about bringing in people from the outside. But think nothing of bringing outsiders to AP. How nice of them. How nice of everyone who runs programs AWAY from their home. It must feel good to have a clear conscience and clear lawns and sidewalks. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Springwood
Residents need greater voice in redevelopment plan Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 10/25/07 BY TRINA SCORDO Story Chat Post Comment There has been a struggle to make Asbury Park's Springwood Avenue redevelopment plan a transparent, resident-driven process. Let us define these terms. Transparent and resident-driven mean a completely open process of city government in which every aspect of the plan is not only divulged to residents, but residents are the decision-makers. It means that decisions should not be made in back rooms and then presented to the public. These discussions and decisions should be made with residents as part of the process, not as an afterthought. Residents who live in the redevelopment area should have the right to control how their community is developed. While the current draft of the Springwood Avenue Redevelopment Plan is an improvement over the original plan presented two years ago, it is not yet a community-building document. To make it such a document, there would have to be measurable and identifiable community benefits in the way of low-income housing, jobs for local residents and a plan for a community center and recreation that is developed by local residents. Many of these items are being left to the redeveloper agreement, as opposed to working with Springwood Avenue area residents to develop a community-benefit agreement. A community-driven redevelopment plan is a partnership between residents and the city in which residents are trained on aspects of redevelopment through a series of workshops, much like the ones held in Asbury Park by Monmouth County Leadership Dialogue last year. Some resident inputs from these workshops include the development of a community-benefit agreement, increased opportunities for ownership for low-income residents, the development of a large-scale grocery store, restoration and inclusion of the West Side Community Center and opportunities for local contractors in construction. We are aware that residents, through a series of community workshops and city-sponsored meetings, have repeatedly made demands for a definition of low-income and affordable housing. We urge the Springwood Avenue Advisory Committee and City Council to define low-income housing based on the median income of Asbury Park's working poor, not the skewed median income of the entire city. Further, we support an increase in the percentage of affordable and low-income housing to 40 percent rather than the at least 20 percent in the current plan. The redevelopment plan should be adopted by the mayor and council only after a community-benefit agreement is developed and agreed upon by residents. We urge the city to look at Dudley Street in Roxbury, Mass., the anti-poverty initiative in Savannah, Ga., and redevelopment in Rochester, N.Y., and Baltimore. Each of these cities worked with the residents who would be directly affected by redevelopment as participants and decision-makers, not solely as recipients of information who can voice an opinion. Many of these cities also used community-benefit agreements to ensure local sustainability. That means the money generated circulates within the community. In this way, the focus is not solely on attracting new people for their money; the focus is on developing the strengths and abilities of those already living in the community. We urge the leadership of Springwood Avenue Advisory Committee, City Manager Terry Reidy and the City Council to represent the interests of the city's majority: the poor and the working poor, mostly black, families of Asbury Park. Redevelopment in Asbury Park has not represented the realities of such families. Instead, redevelopment has represented the interests of those who wish to create a resort town. The city government should do more to support an open dialogue with Asbury Park's poor and put a stronger effort into recruiting local leadership that is representative of Asbury Park's working poor. Redevelopment should address the problems of poverty and violence, not only locally but globally. What we are witnessing in Asbury Park is a microcosm of what is taking place in the nation and in the world: the affluent controlling and taking over resources as the poor are pushed out and forced to make due on subsistence wages, housing and resources. We believe we can work together to make redevelopment in Asbury Park more than a process of gentrification. We believe we can work with residents, stakeholders and city government to create a sustainable community that is just and equitable to all people in Asbury Park. Trina Scordo is chairwoman of the Progressive Action Subcommittee on Springwood Avenue. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: This is where WE send OUR homeless.
In a message dated 10/25/2007 9:47:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are people that take advantage of the system, plenty stuck in the system and more that just can't or don't know how to live day to day, earn money or spend it right. Then there's: If you really want to get discouraged, read the comments following the AC article. Looks like the same gene pool as those who often comment at APP. Then again, I guess most people who comment in cyberspace or on talk radio are people who have an ax to grind. Seems like this board is one among those places where mostly people of goodwill post. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: APP.COM - Shelter may wind up homeless | Asbury Park Pre...
In a message dated 10/25/2007 10:29:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) , [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ma Asked if they could be taken to Market Street's successful program in Morristown, Williams said, Morristown might have a big issue about bringing in people from the outside. But think nothing of bringing outsiders to AP. How nice of them. How nice of everyone who runs programs AWAY from their home. It must feel good to have a clear conscience and clear lawns and sidewalks. And the other comment by Williams which says more than intended: Williams said five have been drawn into the life-change program since June, but of the five, he asked one to leave and another left on his own. Two men completed their first 30 days and are in Morristown. One man is in his first 30 days with Williams. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: APP.COM - Shelter may wind up homeless | Asbury Park Pre...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the other comment by Williams which says more than intended: Williams said five have been drawn into the life-change program since June, but of the five, he asked one to leave and another left on his own. Two men completed their first 30 days and are in Morristown. One man is in his first 30 days with Williams. I caught that but thought that perhaps the odds are tough. Listen, I know that first hand. I've lived most of my life in places like AP. I've had businesses and had down and out guys work for me, live in my propertie. I did everything I could to get them off drugs, alcohol. All to no avail. It breaks your heart. I am trying to keep someone right now in AP from going homeless. I've paid their rent many times. Without work it is difficult. They have made all the wrong choices in life and they know it. There is so much you can do. So my tough love speak is not from a hard heart but from experience. Everyone has rights. You can be compassionate and at the same time expect respect in return for your rights. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: This is where WE send OUR homeless.
What's depressing about the comments on the APP comments about that article is that some of the people are vilifying AP as a place where the middle class and gay population are trying to put down people on the west side and that somehow we have a vendetta against the homeless. Honestly, is this anywhere near the truth? For 30 years, Asbury Park has been a shambles, and we opened our doors to welfare, mental patients and people who couldn't afford to live in the surrounding affuent towns, none of which do anything to help the people that we've been welcoming to. Now we're the bad guys because we want AP to be a better place. Why don't people mention the gangs that exist here? We didn't create or ask for those. What about the people who abuse the welfare system, who treat their children like cash cows and do nothing to improve their lives, or their kids lives? And what about the quality of life issues that we have to deal with. Here's a little story. 2 weeks ago on a Monday night, I was sitting in my living room reading. I live directly across the street from a high rise apt. building. It's 10:30 at night, and for a half hour, I hear a women yelling Fuck you you mother fucker You fucking piece of shit Go fuck yourself and so on. It wouldn't stop. On and on. And if I could hear it, so could the school kids that live in the apts. next door. I should've called the cops, but I decided to take a walk over to see what was happening. The women doing the screaming was going off on some guy, and I walked up and said Could you please keep it down, it's getting late She says, Fuck you, who the fuck are you I said, I live across the street and this isn't fair to me, or the kids next door. Again I get Fuck you, this crackhead won't leave me the fuck alone Then, some old guy with a cane comes up and tells me to Get the fuck outta here, this is none of your business I asked them to just mellow out, and then after all this time, the security guard of the building came out and told me he'd take care of it. He seemed aggravated at me. So I got the fuck outta thereThe reason I didn't call the PD in the first place is that I didn't want to bother them with something that seemed so minor and simple. I guess that was my mistake. Here's what I don't get. Why don't the troubled communities do more to police themselves? Why is the blame constantly placed on everybody else? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/25/2007 9:47:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are people that take advantage of the system, plenty stuck in the system and more that just can't or don't know how to live day to day, earn money or spend it right. Then there's: If you really want to get discouraged, read the comments following the AC article. Looks like the same gene pool as those who often comment at APP. Then again, I guess most people who comment in cyberspace or on talk radio are people who have an ax to grind. Seems like this board is one among those places where mostly people of goodwill post. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: APP.COM - Shelter may wind up homeless | Asbury Park Pre...
I did everything I could to get them off drugs, alcohol. All to no avail. It breaks your heart. Ditto. But then you have might have tenants who work and simply choose not to pay rent. If you're the landlord, the city or mortgage co doesn't care about your heart. Just their payment. I thought about not being a nice guy Jan 1 this year. So now I'm down only $17k in rent because my being nice to a couple tenants who just use tomorrow as the paydate. As a landlord, you can listen to only so many excuses. As a landlord, you have to listen to NO excuses. Otherwise your rent money goes to their habits - not working, drinking, buying plasma tv's with your rent money, new cars etc... So tomorrow has come for a couple tenants I know. Only the 2nd time in 20 years I had to use an attorney. The first was the beginning of this year. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Scary Numbers
October 25, 2007 Reports Suggest Broader Losses From Mortgages By VIKAS BAJAJ and EDMUND L. ANDREWS Every time economists and Wall Street executives think they have acknowledged the full extent of the losses from the meltdown in real estate mortgages, more bad news turns up. Merrill Lynch said yesterday that it would take a charge for mortgage-related securities on its books that is $3 billion more than the $5 billion it expected just two weeks ago. And a report from the National Association of Realtors showed that sales of existing homes in September fell twice as much as economists had expected, to their lowest level in nearly 10 years. Stocks fell sharply early yesterday on the news, with the Standard Poor's 500-stock index falling 1.8 percent before recovering in the afternoon. Investors also bid up Treasuries as they sought the safety of government-backed debt. At this juncture, economists say the troubles in the mortgage market could, all told, cost financial firms and investors up to $400 billion. That is far more than the roughly $240 billion cost, adjusted for inflation, of the savings and loan crisis of the early 1990s, according to estimates of the combined financial toll of that crisis on both the federal government and private sector. The loss in total real estate wealth is expected to range from $2 trillion to $4 trillion, depending on how far home prices fall, according to several economists. That would be significantly less than the losses suffered by investors in the stock market collapse earlier this decade, which erased more than $7 trillion, or about 40 percent, of market value. Experts caution that these estimates are preliminary and the total costs could get bigger still. They also note that the loss of real estate wealth could prove more damaging for the general public than falling stock values because more American families own homes than own stock. In recent years, the rise in real estate values has helped propel consumer spending, as homeowners refinanced mortgages and took out home equity loans. There weren't a lot of people living off their capital gains from stocks, said Jane Caron, chief economic strategist at Dwight Asset Management. There were a lot people using their home as a piggy bank. Of course, many people who bought their houses several years ago are still ahead financially, because the sharp run-up in home values is still far greater than the expected decline. Those who bought close to the peak stand to lose the most if they have to sell in the near future. In a new report to be issued today, the Joint Economic Committee of Congress predicts about two million foreclosures by the end of next year on homes purchased with subprime mortgages. That estimate is far higher than the Bush administration's prediction in September of 500,000 foreclosures, which in itself would be a tidal wave compared with recent years. Congressional aides provided details of the report yesterday to The New York Times. The Joint Economic Committee estimates that the lost of real estate wealth just from foreclosures on subprime loans will be about $71 billion. An additional $32 billion would be lost because foreclosed homes tend to drive down the prices of other houses in the neighborhood. Those figures would cause a decline of $917 million in lost property tax revenue to state and local governments, which will also have to spend more on policing neighborhoods with vacant homes. The states most likely to be hard hit fall into two categories: those where prices had been rising fastest, like California and Florida, and Midwest states with weak economies, like Michigan and Ohio, where people with low or moderate incomes made heavy use of subprime loans to become homeowners and consolidate debts. State by state, the economic costs from the subprime debacle are shockingly high, said Senator Charles E. Schumer, Democrat of New York and the chairman of the Joint Economic Committee. From New York to California, we are headed for billions in lost wealth, property values and tax revenues. Still, subprime mortgages make up a relatively small share of the total housing market about $1 trillion of the $10 trillion in outstanding mortgages. The much bigger losses will be in declining real estate prices. Household real estate currently totals about $21 trillion, according to the Federal Reserve. Global Insight, a research firm, predicts that the national average for housing prices will drop 5 percent over the next year and 10 percent before mid-2009, for a total of about $2 trillion. Economists at Goldman Sachs have predicted prices will drop by 15 percent, meaning an overall decline of more than $3 trillion; other forecasters have said the decline could be 20 percent or more. House prices decline slowly, because many potential sellers simply stay in their current homes when they think prices are too low. But that becomes more difficult as people have to move either because of job changes
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: This is where WE send OUR homeless.
In a message dated 10/25/2007 11:21:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's depressing about the comments on the APP comments about that article is that some of the people are vilifying AP as a place where the middle class and gay population are trying to put down people on the west side and that somehow we have a vendetta against the homeless. Honestly, is this anywhere near the truth? Cordiali saluti, Mario ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: This is where WE send OUR homeless.
Why is the blame constantly placed on everybody else? The answer to that question is the heart of the matter for the institutionally impoverished. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's depressing about the comments on the APP comments about that article is that some of the people are vilifying AP as a place where the middle class and gay population are trying to put down people on the west side and that somehow we have a vendetta against the homeless. Honestly, is this anywhere near the truth? For 30 years, Asbury Park has been a shambles, and we opened our doors to welfare, mental patients and people who couldn't afford to live in the surrounding affuent towns, none of which do anything to help the people that we've been welcoming to. Now we're the bad guys because we want AP to be a better place. Why don't people mention the gangs that exist here? We didn't create or ask for those. What about the people who abuse the welfare system, who treat their children like cash cows and do nothing to improve their lives, or their kids lives? And what about the quality of life issues that we have to deal with. Here's a little story. 2 weeks ago on a Monday night, I was sitting in my living room reading. I live directly across the street from a high rise apt. building. It's 10:30 at night, and for a half hour, I hear a women yelling Fuck you you mother fucker You fucking piece of shit Go fuck yourself and so on. It wouldn't stop. On and on. And if I could hear it, so could the school kids that live in the apts. next door. I should've called the cops, but I decided to take a walk over to see what was happening. The women doing the screaming was going off on some guy, and I walked up and said Could you please keep it down, it's getting late She says, Fuck you, who the fuck are you I said, I live across the street and this isn't fair to me, or the kids next door. Again I get Fuck you, this crackhead won't leave me the fuck alone Then, some old guy with a cane comes up and tells me to Get the fuck outta here, this is none of your business I asked them to just mellow out, and then after all this time, the security guard of the building came out and told me he'd take care of it. He seemed aggravated at me. So I got the fuck outta thereThe reason I didn't call the PD in the first place is that I didn't want to bother them with something that seemed so minor and simple. I guess that was my mistake. Here's what I don't get. Why don't the troubled communities do more to police themselves? Why is the blame constantly placed on everybody else? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: In a message dated 10/25/2007 9:47:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, oakdorf@ writes: There are people that take advantage of the system, plenty stuck in the system and more that just can't or don't know how to live day to day, earn money or spend it right. Then there's: If you really want to get discouraged, read the comments following the AC article. Looks like the same gene pool as those who often comment at APP. Then again, I guess most people who comment in cyberspace or on talk radio are people who have an ax to grind. Seems like this board is one among those places where mostly people of goodwill post. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: This is where WE send OUR homeless.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .So I got the fuck outta thereThe reason I didn't call the PD in the first place is that Lucky u didn't get shot. Yeah, I know. Next time, I'll leave it to the PD and stop trying to be Mr. Nice Guy. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: APP.COM - Shelter may wind up homeless | Asbury Park Pre...
In a message dated 10/25/2007 11:13:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So my tough love speak is not from a hard heart but from experience. Everyone has rights. You can be compassionate and at the same time expect respect in return for your rights. I hear that on many levels. A lot of my thoughts, opined here, were developed theoretically over a lifetime. The interesting chapters have been learning to apply them (or sometimes adapt them to reality) while living in Asbury Park, and on a block which is more diverse than it looks. And the danger in posting here is that you can be pigeonholed based on thumbnail comments trying not to post a tome at a time. The alternative is to sit idly by, afraid to speak your piece. Charlie Rose, Tavis Smiley, and Cornell West discussed this very topic last night. I previously recommended the show; it repeats at 1:30 today and other times depending on your provider. Soon here: _Click here: A conversation with Tavis Smiley Cornel West - Charlie Rose_ (http://www.charlierose.com/shows/2007/10/24/1/a-conversation-with-tavis-smiley -cornel-west) ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: This is where WE send OUR homeless.
In a message dated 10/25/2007 11:21:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's depressing about the comments on the APP comments about that article is that some of the people are vilifying AP as a place where the middle class and gay population are trying to put down people on the west side and that somehow we have a vendetta against the homeless. Honestly, is this anywhere near the truth? No. It's that old dumb ass either-or fallacy which people who can't or rather won't bother to think resort to. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Little League field redevelopment
We're almost there!! Dear Fellow Citizens: Many of you have followed the Little League field redevelopment efforts with interest. Some of you have taken an active roll in supporting this effort. Everyone wants to see this effort succeed. You do this because you believe in supporting our efforts to provide a safe fun environment for the kids of Asbury Park to learn and play baseball. We have good news concerning our renovation project! We are pleased to announce that the Asbury Park Little League will be receiving a grant from Interfaith Neighbors for the purchase and installation of the field lighting. The field lighting is part of the Interfaith Neighbors Asbury Park West Side Redevelopment Plan that encompasses not only the expansion of recreational programs and facilities, but also includes the construction of affordable housing on the West Side of Asbury Park. We are grateful for the partnership with Interfaith Neighbors and know that the field lighting will be great for the kids. That being said, we are still approximately $23,000 short of the $225,000 required to complete the project. As you may know, we have already finished the complete overhaul of the infield, installed new field fencing and safety netting, bought two new bleachers, and installed a brand new score board, flag pole and bullpen batting cage area. The last phase of the project is the purchase and installation of the field lighting and the construction of a field house that will have a large storage area, the 3rd base dug-out, as well as an announce's booth/meeting room. In addition to the field house, a dug-out will be built on the 1st base line. I know that you will take pride in this ball field when these structures are completed. We will have a first class baseball facility. I am making an urgent appeal to you to support this field renovation project. Please make a donation today to this important project. All of the necessary government approvals have been received so that we can start construction; all we need is your valued support so that we can finish the ball park. Please make a donation today either by visiting us online at http://eteamz.active.com/APLittleLeague or by sending it to: Asbury Park Little League PO Box 702 Asbury Park, NJ 07712 Remember, all donations are tax deductible as allowed by law. We thank you so very much for your support of this very important project for the kids of Asbury Park and remain, Sincerely yours, Danny McKee Danny McKee President Asbury Park Little League cell: 732 768 6860 Michael W. Brim 321 Sunset Ave. 5F Asbury Park NJ 07712 Cell: 732-996-8160 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: This is where WE send OUR homeless.
I guess Asbury Steve couldn't blame the Jews as a scapegoat , why not everyone else does,( there aren't too many here ) then he had to find a new scapegoat, the gays. -Original Message- From: dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:27 am Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: This is where WE send OUR homeless. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's depressing about the comments on the APP comments about that article is that some of the people are vilifying AP as a place where the middle class and gay population are trying to put down people on the west side and that somehow we have a vendetta against the homeless. Jack, That's Asbury Steve. I like Steve but he is a super whack job (I will of course be getting emal from him now). Also, a certifiable socialist. Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: Police look to cameras to help fight crime
Maybe they could donate monies towards getting the cameras I am sure we can do some fundraising as well and the developers would be willing to make a donaton. How about a concert in CH with some big names? It shouldn't have to be donated. Save that $ for the little league or P. warner. It should be paid by tax dollars or grants from the State, Feds or County and Homeland Security. Wire up Asbury Ave, Main and Memorial as well. How about paying for it from fees collected in muni court - tack on $25 for every ticket heard in AP court to a AP crime/camera fund. I think you're allowed to. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Little League field redevelopment
---This deserves a round of applause for getting the LL back. If you haven't done so, go to: http://www.littleleague.org/programs/urban.asp Also, years and years ago (about 28) in Ocean Twp, the outfield was lined with signs from sponsors - 4x8 panels. The operator that time of the OT McD's paid for the bleachers. The lights paid by another donor. I copied your request for $ on the asburyboardwalk.com blog. also see: http://www.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/community/index.jsp I think that $23k is there - it just has to come in. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Survellience Cameras
AGAIN I SAY-I'm sure the pizza place on the corner of Ridge and Springwood gets a big cut from the drug dealings that go on in and around the store. If your on the up and up how can you not notice what is going on around or in your store. Are you blind to your surroundings or do you just not want to see what's going on. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Survellience Cameras
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, denise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AGAIN I SAY-I'm sure the pizza place on the corner of Ridge and Springwood gets a big cut from the drug dealings that go on in and around the store. If your on the up and up how can you not notice what is going on around or in your store. Are you blind to your surroundings or do you just not want to see what's going on. I have heard the same about the Emory Deli and some back door. Difficult sometimes to catch them but you have to make it your business to do it. Set up and sit on them. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Its the Small Stuff ....Library Square, West Side, All Around Town...
of course i am a whack job on this list. i don't hate poor people living in asbury has been nothing but good times for me since i moved here 4 years ago of course that is altered a bit by now being more aware of the haters here. most on this list seem to live tortured existences, complaining CONSTANTLY i didn't move here expecting it to turn into rich white land, i took it for what it was when i came here i don't consider AP being dumped on with anything...asbury has made lots of shady bedfellows and has been pretty good at taking handouts themselves8 million anyone up for a thinking, conscious persons AP list? the housewives have got me down! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Survellience Cameras
If only you guys were into watching the terry weldons as opposed to petty crime! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Little League field redevelopment
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---This deserves a round of applause for getting the LL back. If you haven't done so, go to: http://www.littleleague.org/programs/urban.asp So instead of me pasting links, I took a momonet out and called David James, Director of the Little League Urban Initiative who picked up the phone and told me he is indeed aware of the shortfall in AP and is working on it. So to those in AP who have taken their time - not good job, but great. Time the city took advantage of their classification as urban and got some grant $$$ for those cameras instead of pondering about If they have the money if if if. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Survellience Cameras
i'd have to see some research on that. i am not against the surveillance cameras, but i think people on this list are a little obsessed. and fearful to the point of paranoia. i feel like i live in a different town when i read what is written here. i ride my bike all over the place, at night i feel like i live in a jersey paradise, great trees, cool buildings and of course the beach.. i would like to hear from one person on this list who has been a victim of a violent crime in AP...doesn't count if you were buying drugs or ass! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, denise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remember one thing nine times out of ten you have to go to the little people to get the big people Sometimes the petty things turn into something big. - Original Message From: evosap [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 4:16:24 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Survellience Cameras If only you guys were into watching the terry weldons as opposed to petty crime! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Survellience Cameras
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, evosap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i would like to hear from one person on this list who has been a victim of a violent crime in AP...doesn't count if you were buying drugs or ass! Ah, an artist needs some grist for the mill. Right, we should be worrrying about the Malaysian child sex trade instead of local problems. How petty of us. A poem please. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Survellience Cameras
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, evosap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, you have had all those crime experiences here? you make some bad choices. i never had one even remotely close to anything like that. i even go to the west side regularly ek! and no of course i am none of those things, id be blowing my cover. you all need to read The culture of Fear. you are the culture of fear Wow, a real hipster! What happened, got price out of Billyburg? You'll get priced out of here soon enough too. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Historic Hotels of America Joins Preferred Hotel Group Brand
Anyone in the biz know what this is all about? _Click here: Historic Hotels of America(R) Joins Preferred Hotel Group Brand_ (http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_viewnewsId=20071025005885newsLang=en) ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Survellience Cameras
I haven't been mugged or victim of a violent crime myself (been coming to Asbury since '76 or so) but I have had the pleasant experience of having several bottles thrown at my car by a group of kids on a street corner one night within the last two years. Might not sound like much but at the time it looked like I might have turned down a street owned by a gang with the way they were coming after me. And I don't care who you are if it looks like a gang of 7-8 people are approaching you and you're alone, it's a nervous situation. Other than that just the normal stuff of being asked for money by a lot of different panhandlers. That gets annoying after a while and considering most of us see the same people doing it day in and day out, it does make me wonder why they're allowed to keep doing it in AP. I don't think the posters are wrong to want Asbury Park to be a better or cleaner place. Considering that not too much (other than Cookman Ave returning) has changed in the last 30 years, I'd say the status quo isn't working. On Oct 25, 2007, at 4:42 PM, evosap wrote: i'd have to see some research on that. i am not against the surveillance cameras, but i think people on this list are a little obsessed. and fearful to the point of paranoia. i feel like i live in a different town when i read what is written here. i ride my bike all over the place, at night i feel like i live in a jersey paradise, great trees, cool buildings and of course the beach.. i would like to hear from one person on this list who has been a victim of a violent crime in AP...doesn't count if you were buying drugs or ass! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, denise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remember one thing nine times out of ten you have to go to the little people to get the big people Sometimes the petty things turn into something big. - Original Message From: evosap [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 4:16:24 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Survellience Cameras If only you guys were into watching the terry weldons as opposed to petty crime! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[AsburyPark] Re: Historic Hotels of America Joins Preferred Hotel Group Brand
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone in the biz know what this is all about? _Click here: Historic Hotels of America(R) Joins Preferred Hotel It's about MARKETING. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Historic Hotels of America Joins Preferred Hotel Group B...
In a message dated 10/25/2007 5:35:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's about MARKETING. I understand that. Isn't everything these days. But I was intrigued that a hotel chain merited the affiliation with The National Trust for Historic Preservation is an _American_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) member-supported organization which was founded in _1949_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1949) by _congressional charter_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_charter) to support preservation of historic buildings and neighborhoods through a range of programs and activities. Wiki What says Werner. Bring 'em in to take over the Metropolitan... ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: Historic Hotels of America Joins Preferred Hotel Group B...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/25/2007 5:35:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's about MARKETING. I understand that. Isn't everything these days. But I was intrigued that a hotel chain merited the affiliation with The National Trust for Historic Preservation is an _American_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) member-supported organization which was founded in _1949_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1949) by _congressional charter_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_charter) to support preservation of historic buildings and neighborhoods through a range of programs and activities. Wiki What says Werner. Bring 'em in to take over the Metropolitan... They are a hotel management corp, like Host Marriott, Hyatt, Hilton etc. The have different flavors of hotels in their different entities. So they figure some peolple like to stay in older preserved hotels so that becomes a flavor and they hook up with the org. Sorry to say, but the Metro is just too far gone. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Survellience Cameras
Gabrielle, do you Paint Hair or have you ever Painted Hair in a shop on Cookman Ave. in Asbury Park, NJ. ? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, evosap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that would have been scary, i agree. but nothing other than cookman changed? that's a gross exaggeration. the change to the whole place in the last four years is immense. i don't think wanting a cleaner place is bad, i just wonder about people who move to a place wanting it to be different than it is. kinda stupid i think. i moved here knowing what it is, accepting it and loving it. yeah i am more concerned about having cameras on loffredo, bruno, saunders, johnson, and MY favorite wackjob..zyla, you can throw in the russell character, than some crack buyer and purchaser behind some shady store that no one with insight and intelligence would visit. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien lightgrw@ wrote: I haven't been mugged or victim of a violent crime myself (been coming to Asbury since '76 or so) but I have had the pleasant experience of having several bottles thrown at my car by a group of kids on a street corner one night within the last two years. Might not sound like much but at the time it looked like I might have turned down a street owned by a gang with the way they were coming after me. And I don't care who you are if it looks like a gang of 7-8 people are approaching you and you're alone, it's a nervous situation. Other than that just the normal stuff of being asked for money by a lot of different panhandlers. That gets annoying after a while and considering most of us see the same people doing it day in and day out, it does make me wonder why they're allowed to keep doing it in AP. I don't think the posters are wrong to want Asbury Park to be a better or cleaner place. Considering that not too much (other than Cookman Ave returning) has changed in the last 30 years, I'd say the status quo isn't working. On Oct 25, 2007, at 4:42 PM, evosap wrote: i'd have to see some research on that. i am not against the surveillance cameras, but i think people on this list are a little obsessed. and fearful to the point of paranoia. i feel like i live in a different town when i read what is written here. i ride my bike all over the place, at night i feel like i live in a jersey paradise, great trees, cool buildings and of course the beach.. i would like to hear from one person on this list who has been a victim of a violent crime in AP...doesn't count if you were buying drugs or ass! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, denise denisemchd@ wrote: Remember one thing nine times out of ten you have to go to the little people to get the big people Sometimes the petty things turn into something big. - Original Message From: evosap gabrielleobre@ To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 4:16:24 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Survellience Cameras If only you guys were into watching the terry weldons as opposed to petty crime! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Survellience Cameras
In a message dated 10/25/2007 5:26:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I haven't been mugged or victim of a violent crime myself (been coming to Asbury since '76 or so) Not have I (since '66). But I know how important perception is for our business community. I still remember, back in the 70's, outsiders talking about being afraid of Asbury Park because they hide up in the trees and jump down to mug you when you're leaving the clubs late at night. Such bs still abounds, but it doesn't obviate the need to tackle the problems we really do have. but I have had the pleasant experience of having several bottles thrown at my car by a group of kids on a street corner one night within the last two years. Here just the unpleasant experience of being approached when stopped at red lights along Grand Ave. I just wave 'em off with no problem. But the bridge and tunnel folks who were approached and frightened by the squeegee guys in NYC eventually brought the business community there to insist that that nuisance be stopped. Without the hope for a thriving business community here, all the talk here is for naught. Other than that just the normal stuff of being asked for money by a lot of different panhandlers. That gets annoying after a while and considering most of us see the same people doing it day in and day out, it does make me wonder why they're allowed to keep doing it in AP. You get to know the regulars; over the years many became accepted by locals. Used to be some long time street people here, all actual natives, who were truly helpless and watched over by the community. But the uptick in new panhandlers became quite obvious since JSRM came on the scene. I don't think the posters are wrong to want Asbury Park to be a better or cleaner place. I know it's not wrong. Pride in community. Improvements, hopefully to benefit all. And the following comment is so off the wall, it doesn't deserve comment. In a message dated 10/25/2007 6:07:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: yeah i am more concerned about having cameras on loffredo, bruno, saunders, johnson, and MY favorite wackjob..zyla, you can throw in the russell character, than some crack buyer and purchaser behind some shady store that no one with insight and intelligence would visit. == On Oct 25, 2007, at 4:42 PM, evosap wrote: i'd have to see some research on that. i am not against the surveillance cameras, but i think people on this list are a little obsessed. and fearful to the point of paranoia. i feel like i live in a different town when i read what is written here. i ride my bike all over the place, at night i feel like i live in a jersey paradise, great trees, cool buildings and of course the beach.. i would like to hear from one person on this list who has been a victim of a violent crime in AP...doesn't count if you were buying drugs or ass! Cordiali saluti, Mario ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Its the Small Stuff ....Library Square, West Side, All A...
In a message dated 10/25/2007 4:13:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: living in asbury has been nothing but good times for me since i moved here 4 years ago I preceded you by decades. That you can enjoy good times is a result of transformations that started about several years ago. An infusion of energy after most here were about ready to give up on ever improving let alone restoring this city. of course that is altered a bit by now being more aware of the haters here. most on this list seem to live tortured existences, complaining CONSTANTLY Hate is a strong word. I used to hate the exploiters, the absentee landlords who did business in town then left. I hated the racism and bigotry expressed in remarks by outsiders. But I don't find haters on this list. There is a variety of viewpoints here on how best to revitalize this city, and we're sometimes at odds on the options. i didn't move here expecting it to turn into rich white land, i took it for what it was when i came here You're comments about a rich white land and about SUFA hating the homeless are way misinformed. i don't consider AP being dumped on with anything.. Then you're still a newbie who needs to learn about Asbury Park's history, and how this town was raped, by forces within and without, because many of its citizens were uninformed. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Thank you everyone who stood up for Asbury!
UPDATE: Judge sides with Asbury, meaning homeless shelter to close Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 10/25/07 BY NANCY SHIELDS COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU FREEHOLD State Superior Court Judge Lawrence Lawson today upheld Asbury Park's administrative directive last week for the Jersey Shore Rescue Mission to close after city zoners voted unanimously to deny the variances the 40-bed homeless shelter needed to stay open. City Manager Terence Reidy said the city will work with the mission's resident director, Garry Williams, to have it closed Friday. The mission, an expansion of the Market Street Mission in Morristown, had been waiting for the judge's opinion and had been refusing new referrals from social agencies. Six men were there Wednesday night. The Zoning Board of Adjustment made its decision a week ago Tuesday, at which time Brendan Judge, the mission's attorney, said they would appeal the zoners' ruling. An appeal cannot be made until after the zoning board memorializes and then publishes its decision at a meeting in November. When the city manager ordered the facility to close in seven days, the mission sought relief from Lawson, seeking to continue operating the shelter and other activities at its site on Memorial Drive. But the judge upheld the city manager's action. The victory for Asbury Park is that an appeal could go on for years and all that time the city would be affected by the impact of the mission during that time,'' Reidy said. We'll see what the mission does on appeal.'' City zoners had held hearings on the mission's application three times since 2005 after first denying it, then approving it following an appeal, and finally denying it again after a group of residents, Stand Up For Asbury, filed a new appeal last year to close the operation. Zoning board members last week cited many reasons for their denial, but the overwhelming reasons were that it could bring several hundred homeless men from outside of the city who would be given up to 10 nights of shelter but would be placed on city streets during the day without sufficient programs in place to help them. The zoners said Asbury Park is helping its own small homeless population but cannot be the regional center for the poor and homeless. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Survellience Cameras
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, evosap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: somehow related to blowjob dancause i think you all could use one In the words of my favorite president Slick Willy Who couldn't? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Thank you everyone who stood up for Asbury!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FREEHOLD State Superior Court Judge Lawrence Lawson today upheld Asbury Park's administrative directive last week for the Jersey Shore Rescue Mission to close after city zoners voted unanimously to deny the variances the 40-bed homeless shelter needed to stay open. Some justice. Now to defeat their appeal. Good work Paul and all. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Thank you everyone who stood up for Asbury!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rogersduncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The victory for Asbury Park is that an appeal could go on for years and all that time the city would be affected by the impact of the mission during that time,'' Reidy said. We'll see what the mission does on appeal.'' The point is that it WILL NOT be operating during that appeal. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Survellience Cameras
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, evosap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: now i am really gonna get monkey boxed...what ever that means boys. It's monkey cage sweetie, and you own it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Charming the Morning Dew off the Honeysuckle
My my, your sweet words can charm the morning dew off of the honeysuckle - B. Devereaux In a message dated 10/25/2007 8:26:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: oh yeah. being suspicious of those in power is off the wall Did you grow up in NJ? you still believe that those in power have your best interests at heart? i know everyone here is tired of garbage, crack heads and homeless people. I have had it with Goons. political goons, developer goons, real estate goons, investor goons, newspaper goons. i am sick of seeing public servants behave as though they are not there to SERVE. Which means i am also sick of there counterparts. the pussy citizens that lick ass when they can and keep their mouth such as much as possible. yeah mario..i am off the wall, and a wackjob...is that somehow related to blowjob dancause i think you all could use one...I know a really cheap hooker at the end of kingsly... ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
