Re: Dreameaver and Javascript
> > Text > > > to: > > > > Text > > Go to "Edit" - "Preferences" - "Code Format" Then click the link for "Tag Library Editor" Edit the format of individual tags to your hearts content. Takes a little work, but you can pretty much get it to output code almost anyway you want... -- Les Mizzell - Mihi placent, O Pincerna! Virent ova! Viret perna! Dapem posthac non arcebo. Gratum tibi me praebebo. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Dreameaver and Javascript
For that matter does anyone know how to keep Dreamweaver from mauling otherwise pretty code? I pasted a large table into DW to move some columns around and code went from: Text to: Text I appreciate the ease of being able to modify the columns so easily, but man did it make some ugly code in the process. On Sat, 2003-10-25 at 00:40, C. Hatton Humphrey wrote: > Does anyone have any ideas on how to disable Dreamweavers reformatting > of > quote marks insine
Dreameaver and Javascript
Does anyone have any ideas on how to disable Dreamweavers reformatting of quote marks insine
Re: Blue Dragon and Fusebox
> I could be wrong, but it appears BlueDragon does not treat the CF > application scope as a structure, at least not when it is in a CFLOCK. > > Is anyone else copying the application scope to a request variable in > BlueDragon? > Now that issue I have seen before. First, you don't need to use such a technique with BlueDragon or even CFMX since the application scope is now automatically synchronized. Second, I believe this is a bug in BlueDragon 3.02 that has been fixed in BlueDragon 3.1. Are you testing on BlueDragon 3.1 preview? Matt Liotta President & CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: JAVA 1.4 vs CFMX Java
I thought CFMX gold including IBM's JVM and some people switched to SUN's JVM to correct HTTPS limitations? Perhaps I have that backwards... I've used CFMX gold with the included JVM and with BEA's JRockit. I didn't have any issues with JRockit on a development computer but I heard some reports of issues under heavy load. Sam --- Blog: http://www.rewindlife.com Charts: http://www.blinex.com/products/charting --- > -Original Message- > From: Nathan Strutz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:22 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: JAVA 1.4 vs CFMX Java > > Generally speaking, the newer versions of sun's java are > better than the older versions. CFMX 6.0 comes with version > 1.3.1, and CFMX 6.1 comes with version 1.4.2, currently the > latest version. If you haven't upgraded to 6.1, I highly > recommend it. If you have, you already have the latest > version, and therefore can't get much better. If you're on > CFMX 6.0, you may have luck upgrading to 1.4.2, but be ready > to roll back if you notice things not working or responding > as fast, as CFMX 6.0 was engineered with 1.3.1 in mind. > > I have heard of someone having success with IBM's java (tends > to be faster than sun's), but YMMV. > > -nathan strutz [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Newbie Flash/CF Question
Okay, I know that with CF you can feed data into a Flash movie. I want to create "pretty" forms using flash... I know that it *can* be done, I'm just wondering *how* it's done. For example, I have a simple search form with a text input box, a select box and a submit button. I'd like to "pretty" them up. Does anyone have a link to a tutorial or explanation on how I might do something like that? Thanks! Hatton [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re:Blue Dragon and Fusebox
Okay, we have made some progress on this BlueDragon issue.
When we try to call just the index.cfm without a fuseaction, the error changes. The new error we are running into is listed below, and the code causing the error is listed below that.
I could be wrong, but it appears BlueDragon does not treat the CF application scope as a structure, at least not when it is in a CFLOCK.
Is anyone else copying the application scope to a request variable in BlueDragon?
Anyways:
Error -
Request /web/index.cfm
File Trace C:/Program Files/New Atlanta/BlueDragon_Server/wwwroot/web/index.cfm
|
+-- C:/Program Files/New Atlanta/BlueDragon_Server/wwwroot/web/fbx_fusebox30_CF50.cfm
|
+-- C:/Program Files/New Atlanta/BlueDragon_Server/wwwroot/web/fbx_Settings.cfm
Type Application
Message General Runtime Error
Tag Context CFPROCESSINGDIRECTIVE: Line=22; Column=7
|
+-- CFINCLUDE: Line=26; Column=1
|
+-- CFPROCESSINGDIRECTIVE: Line=1; Column=37
|
+-- CFTRY: Line=158; Column=1
|
+-- CFINCLUDE: Line=159; Column=2
|
+-- CFSILENT: Line=10; Column=1
|
+-- CFLOCK: Line=23; Column=1
|
+-- CFSCRIPT: Line=24; Column=2
Detail Could not duplicate this variable. Check the variable does not contain references to complex types such as Java objects
Extended Info
Source 21: }
22:
23:
24:
25: if(isdefined("application")){
^ Snippet from underlying CFML source
- Code -
if(isdefined("frm_logout_user")){
structdelete(session,'user');
request.deleted_userinfo = 1;
}
if(isdefined("session")){
structinsert(request, "session", duplicate(session));
}
if(not isdefined("attributes.fuseaction")){
structinsert(attributes, "fuseaction", "home.main");
}
if(isdefined("application")){
structinsert(request, "application", duplicate(application));
}
- End Error and Code -
M
>Vince -
>
>Thanks for the response.
>
>I think the problem is more complicated than that, createObject() is not
>used anywhere in the code.
>
>M
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RE: Accessing a user's Groupwise address book from CF?
Oops, I forgot to mention that a quick google search didn't really find anything. But my search terms may not be the greatest Shawn -Original Message- From: Shawn Grover [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 4:25 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Accessing a user's Groupwise address book from CF? I'm not familiar with the capabilities of Groupwise, so thought I'd ask the list. We have an application that (if possible) will access the address book for a given user in GroupWise. Is this possible? Anyone have any tips how to go about it? I suspect security will kick in, but we will be able to provide the username/passwords if needed. If this isn't possible (or isn't very easy, which means longer coding times and increase budget requirements), then we will find another solution. Thanks for any imput. Shawn _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Accessing a user's Groupwise address book from CF?
I'm not familiar with the capabilities of Groupwise, so thought I'd ask the list. We have an application that (if possible) will access the address book for a given user in GroupWise. Is this possible? Anyone have any tips how to go about it? I suspect security will kick in, but we will be able to provide the username/passwords if needed. If this isn't possible (or isn't very easy, which means longer coding times and increase budget requirements), then we will find another solution. Thanks for any imput. Shawn [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re[2]: Vars in CFMAIL and CFQUERY tags
CF,
On 10/24/2003 at 16:52, you wrote:
>>Not sure what database platform you're using, but see if you can
>>specify your row limit within your SQL (PostgreSQL uses the 'limit'
>>keyword) instead of using maxrows="n".
CC> I'm using MS Access.
I've always used CFQUERY's maxrows attribute with Access stuff...
never checked to see if there is a way to limit rows within the SQL.
Maybe it supports 'TOP n' like SQLServer?
Otherwise, maybe something like:
if(not testmode){maxrows=10;}else{maxrows=5;}
...
~ Ubqtous ~
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Re: Translation please: CFC::CF as ???:ASP
Dave Watts wrote: > > So, my question is, what do ASP people refer to "components" as? > > Within a well-designed "classic" ASP application, business logic is > separated from ASP scripting by putting it within COM (or COM+ or MTS) > objects. "Classic" ASP development best practices recommend the use of COM > for any significant application logic. > > > I'm trying to talk to the ASP guys about using CFC-like > > components so that the client's CF guys can interface with > > them, but the ideas just aren't getting across. > > If the ASP application is using COM objects, you may be able to > successfully > use them from CF, depending on how they're written. But I wouldn't > recommend > using CF to talk to COM objects generally, if you can avoid it. Since Asp 3.0 there is the possibility to use VBScript's functionality to create classes. This is only with the windows script runtime 5.6 and higher if I'm not mistaking. This supplies only classes, no inheritance or overloading, no access control, but at least some form of encapsulating functionality. This ofcourse cannot be shared with Coldfusion unless you implement all functionality on both sides or use WDDX or XML or any other language to pass parameters around. Jesse [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news), beat the horse dead
> No worries, I'm taking out a Patent on being an Asshole, then I'm going > after Eolas and all these other jokers for infringement. Ask anyone I > know, I'll get the patent. > You'd have a tough time doing full discovery on all "prior art" on the topic. Besides, you'd only get a Patent on the PROCESS of becoming an Asshole, not just on having achieved Asshole-ishness ... the latter, in today's parlance, is called a design pattern. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Replace Problem
I think you have to do the replace() twice, because of they way the commas
are lined up. if you have three commas in a row, your replace will add a
space before the first and second, and then look at the third and not see a
pair, even though the second and third make a pair. Doing it again will
catch the even pairs and you should be fine.
-Original Message-
From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:46 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Replace Problem
It is documented that CF list functions will ignore "Empty" values. I
don't
think your space is substantial enough t not count as empty.
Try something like NULL or some other value that is more substantial.
You'll have to account for this value in your insert statement if you
don't
want it in your database.
HTH
--
Ian Skinner
Web Programmer
BloodSource
www.BloodSource.org
Sacramento, CA
-Original Message-
From: Jillian Carroll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:32 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Replace Problem
I've -nearly- got this one... but I've got one little glitch.
I've got a file of comma delimited fields, and I need to put them in a
database. What I've got so far is nearly working... but it appears that
some fields are being skipped over (because they are blank). I've tried
to
make all blank (,,) into (, ,) so there is technically 'space', but the
data
is still not properly aligned in the columns. I'm going insane. :)
This is a line of what I'm trying to import:
1,C,7/28/2003 19:16.23,198.169.175.14Asthma
medications,Most,,Yes,It bothers me a
lot,Yes,Yes,No,No,No,,20-34,Female,Yes,
This is my code:
variable="data">
INSERT INTO "survey"
("entry_number", "correct_status", "entry_date",
"ip_address", "name", "email", "company", "street", "city", "state",
"zip",
"phone", "fax", "homepage", "comments", "why_visit", "did_you_find",
"what_added", "have_asthma", "if_have_asthma", "blue_inhaler",
"cough_wheeze", "cough_night", "exercising", "miss_work", "someone_close",
"age", "gender", "canadian", "nullfield")
VALUES
('#item1#','#item2#','#item3#','#item4#','#item5#','#item6#','#item7#','#ite
m8#','#item9#','#item10#','#item11#','#item12#','#item13#','#item14#','#item
15#','#item16#','#item17#','#item18#','#item19#','#item20#','#item21#','#ite
m22#','#item23#','#item24#','#item25#','#item26#','#item27#','#item28#','#it
em29#','#item30#')
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RE: Blue Dragon and Fusebox
Vince - Thanks for the response. I think the problem is more complicated than that, createObject() is not used anywhere in the code. M -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 4:41 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Blue Dragon and Fusebox It looks like you're using the free version of BlueDragon Server (right?), which doesn't support createObject(). You'll need to use BlueDragon Server JX ($549/server). We have several clients running applications on FB3 on both BlueDragon Server JX and BlueDragon/J2EE. Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re:Vars in CFMAIL and CFQUERY tags
>CF, > >On 10/24/2003 at 14:53, you wrote: >... > >How about doing your test mode switching in your SQL: > > >select dbcolumnname'[EMAIL PROTECTED]' as dbcolumnname >... >limit n; > Thanks! This looks like the answer. Now why didn't I think of that? >Not sure what database platform you're using, but see if you can >specify your row limit within your SQL (PostgreSQL uses the 'limit' >keyword) instead of using maxrows="n". I'm using MS Access. CFCODER2 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re:Vars in CFMAIL and CFQUERY tags
>CF, > >On 10/24/2003 at 14:53, you wrote: >... > >How about doing your test mode switching in your SQL: > > >select dbcolumnname'[EMAIL PROTECTED]' as dbcolumnname >... >limit n; > Thanks! This looks like the answer. Now why didn't I think of that? >Not sure what database platform you're using, but see if you can >specify your row limit within your SQL (PostgreSQL uses the 'limit' >keyword) instead of using maxrows="n". I'm using MS Access. CFCODER2 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Replace Problem
Hey Jillian!
I would insert a char in there instead of a space (maybe a double pipe || or
something) you can strip it out later in the query itself. CF doesn't even
count blank list items, so what it is doing with the blank lines is as
designed.even though at times it is annoying.
HTH!
--
Josh Trefethen
Exciteworks, Inc
http://exciteworks.com
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From: Jillian Carroll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:32 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Replace Problem
I've -nearly- got this one... but I've got one little glitch.
I've got a file of comma delimited fields, and I need to put them in a
database. What I've got so far is nearly working... but it appears that
some fields are being skipped over (because they are blank). I've tried to
make all blank (,,) into (, ,) so there is technically 'space', but the data
is still not properly aligned in the columns. I'm going insane. :)
This is a line of what I'm trying to import:
1,C,7/28/2003 19:16.23,198.169.175.14Asthma
medications,Most,,Yes,It bothers me a
lot,Yes,Yes,No,No,No,,20-34,Female,Yes,
This is my code:
variable="data">
INSERT INTO "survey"
("entry_number", "correct_status", "entry_date",
"ip_address", "name", "email", "company", "street", "city", "state", "zip",
"phone", "fax", "homepage", "comments", "why_visit", "did_you_find",
"what_added", "have_asthma", "if_have_asthma", "blue_inhaler",
"cough_wheeze", "cough_night", "exercising", "miss_work", "someone_close",
"age", "gender", "canadian", "nullfield")
VALUES
('#item1#','#item2#','#item3#','#item4#','#item5#','#item6#','#item7#','#ite
m8#','#item9#','#item10#','#item11#','#item12#','#item13#','#item14#','#item
15#','#item16#','#item17#','#item18#','#item19#','#item20#','#item21#','#ite
m22#','#item23#','#item24#','#item25#','#item26#','#item27#','#item28#','#it
em29#','#item30#')
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RE: Replace Problem
It is documented that CF list functions will ignore "Empty" values. I don't
think your space is substantial enough t not count as empty.
Try something like NULL or some other value that is more substantial.
You'll have to account for this value in your insert statement if you don't
want it in your database.
HTH
--
Ian Skinner
Web Programmer
BloodSource
www.BloodSource.org
Sacramento, CA
-Original Message-
From: Jillian Carroll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:32 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Replace Problem
I've -nearly- got this one... but I've got one little glitch.
I've got a file of comma delimited fields, and I need to put them in a
database. What I've got so far is nearly working... but it appears that
some fields are being skipped over (because they are blank). I've tried to
make all blank (,,) into (, ,) so there is technically 'space', but the data
is still not properly aligned in the columns. I'm going insane. :)
This is a line of what I'm trying to import:
1,C,7/28/2003 19:16.23,198.169.175.14Asthma
medications,Most,,Yes,It bothers me a
lot,Yes,Yes,No,No,No,,20-34,Female,Yes,
This is my code:
variable="data">
INSERT INTO "survey"
("entry_number", "correct_status", "entry_date",
"ip_address", "name", "email", "company", "street", "city", "state", "zip",
"phone", "fax", "homepage", "comments", "why_visit", "did_you_find",
"what_added", "have_asthma", "if_have_asthma", "blue_inhaler",
"cough_wheeze", "cough_night", "exercising", "miss_work", "someone_close",
"age", "gender", "canadian", "nullfield")
VALUES
('#item1#','#item2#','#item3#','#item4#','#item5#','#item6#','#item7#','#ite
m8#','#item9#','#item10#','#item11#','#item12#','#item13#','#item14#','#item
15#','#item16#','#item17#','#item18#','#item19#','#item20#','#item21#','#ite
m22#','#item23#','#item24#','#item25#','#item26#','#item27#','#item28#','#it
em29#','#item30#')
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RE: Verification Please
Thank you! -Original Message- From: Dave Carabetta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 3:35 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Verification Please No, it does not. The ability to use var statements within a cfscript tag within functions was introduced in MX 6.1, all versions. Regards, Dave. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Blue Dragon and Fusebox
It looks like you're using the free version of BlueDragon Server (right?), which doesn't support createObject(). You'll need to use BlueDragon Server JX ($549/server). We have several clients running applications on FB3 on both BlueDragon Server JX and BlueDragon/J2EE. Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 3:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Blue Dragon and Fusebox Does anyone know of any limitations using the FB3 core files on the standard edition of Blue Dragon server? A customer is moving from CF5 to BlueDragon and reporting the following problem with a Fusebox application: BlueDragon Runtime Error Request /index.cfm File Trace C:/Program Files/New Atlanta/BlueDragon_Server/wwwroot/Application.cfm | +-- C:/Program Files/New Atlanta/BlueDragon_Server/wwwroot/global_vars.cfm Type Application Message _Expression Error Tag Context CFINCLUDE: Line=24; Column=1 | +-- CFSCRIPT: Line=13; Column=1 Detail Function createobject does not exist Extended Info Source 10: ** 11: ---> 12: 13: 14: request.app = structNew(); ^ Snippet from underlying CFML source M _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Blue Dragon and Fusebox
> Now, I am assured this is the latest version of BlueDragon, but I have > to ask: was there ever a version that did not support structures? > The latest version of BlueDragon is 3.02, but there is a preview release of BlueDragon 3.1, which is what most people are testing on right now. I believe all versions of BlueDragon support structures. However, I doubt that StructNew() is actually your problem. I have noticed that BlueDragon sometimes gets confused as to what is causing the error. Matt Liotta President & CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Verification Please
>Does the below work on MX 6.0 > > > > > var testreturn=Arguments.myarg; > > > > >I think that it will not, can someone verify for me? > No, it does not. The ability to use var statements within a cfscript tag within functions was introduced in MX 6.1, all versions. Regards, Dave. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Replace Problem
I've -nearly- got this one... but I've got one little glitch.
I've got a file of comma delimited fields, and I need to put them in a
database. What I've got so far is nearly working... but it appears that
some fields are being skipped over (because they are blank). I've tried to
make all blank (,,) into (, ,) so there is technically 'space', but the data
is still not properly aligned in the columns. I'm going insane. :)
This is a line of what I'm trying to import:
1,C,7/28/2003 19:16.23,198.169.175.14Asthma
medications,Most,,Yes,It bothers me a
lot,Yes,Yes,No,No,No,,20-34,Female,Yes,
This is my code:
variable="data">
INSERT INTO "survey"
("entry_number", "correct_status", "entry_date",
"ip_address", "name", "email", "company", "street", "city", "state", "zip",
"phone", "fax", "homepage", "comments", "why_visit", "did_you_find",
"what_added", "have_asthma", "if_have_asthma", "blue_inhaler",
"cough_wheeze", "cough_night", "exercising", "miss_work", "someone_close",
"age", "gender", "canadian", "nullfield")
VALUES
('#item1#','#item2#','#item3#','#item4#','#item5#','#item6#','#item7#','#ite
m8#','#item9#','#item10#','#item11#','#item12#','#item13#','#item14#','#item
15#','#item16#','#item17#','#item18#','#item19#','#item20#','#item21#','#ite
m22#','#item23#','#item24#','#item25#','#item26#','#item27#','#item28#','#it
em29#','#item30#')
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CF and Outlook
Hey all, I am looking for code and/or sites with tutorials on using CF and Outlook. I know that there is some stuff on cfcomet, but that site seems to be down. In a nutshell, this is what I want to do: We have an upcoming events area and a training calendar. I would like to provide users with a link to add an event to their outlook calendar. Is this possible? Anyone have any site recommendations as to tutorials or something? Thanks. Marwan Saidi Webmaster Concord Management Information Services ** The information contained in this message is confidential and is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you have received this message in error or there are any problems please notify the originator immediately. The unauthorized use, disclosure, copying or alteration of this message is strictly forbidden. CED-Concord Management will not be liable for direct, special, indirect or consequential damages arising from the alteration of the contents of this message by a third party or as a result of any virus being passed on. This footnote confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for Content Security threats, including computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Blue Dragon and Fusebox
Matt; I wish I could provide more information, but this is really all I know right now. The person having the problem is a client of mine out in San Diego, and I have no access to the server. She's emailing me the error messages. We've been trying to troubleshoot this by calling individual pages, and it *looks* like BD is choking each time we try to call structNew(). Now, I am assured this is the latest version of BlueDragon, but I have to ask: was there ever a version that did not support structures? M -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 3:32 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Blue Dragon and Fusebox > Does anyone know of any limitations using the FB3 core files on the > standard edition of Blue Dragon server? A customer is moving from CF5 > to > BlueDragon and reporting the following problem with a Fusebox > application: > I am not aware of any specific limitation, but then again I don't use FB, so that isn't worth much. Can you provide some more information? The error seems to be in relation to the CreateObject function according to the details below, but I don't see CreateObject() is the short amount of source provided. Matt Liotta President & CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Losing my mind?
Looks like you are running into an old fashioned computer rounding problem. Don't know why it doesn't print though. Any ways I tried an experiment and "condition = "i LTE 0.8001" worked. This tells me that the is a very small fraction hanging on at the end of the i value somewhere. I then rounded the value in i and things worked as expected. Block 2 #j# -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA -Original Message- From: Joshua Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:43 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Losing my mind? Am I losing my mind? Why does the following occur? Block 1 #i# Block 2 #i# Block 1 gives me values .800 - 1.200 Block 2 gives me values .600 - .775 but not .800 I'm using LTE and it skips .800. If I set it to LTE .825 then it gives me .800 on screen but not .825 If I put a one before the decimal making the range 1.600 - 1.800 it works, but .600 - .800 does not. Any ideas? -- Joshua Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Verification Please
Does the below work on MX 6.0 var testreturn=Arguments.myarg; I think that it will not, can someone verify for me? Thanks [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re:DataDirect JDBC drivers (shipped with CFMX)..
Step 1: Install the JDBC drivers using Microsoft's installer. You can use the defaults, the install isn't very large.
Step 2: In CF Administrator go to Java and JVM. Under classpath put this C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL Server 2000 Driver for JDBC\lib(this is the default install for the drivers). You will need to restart CFMX Application server.
Step 3: Go to datasources. Creat a new one, use driver other. Here is what you will need in the fields.
JDBC URL - dbc:microsoft:sqlserver://{your ip or name of server}:1433;DatabaseName={your database name}
Driver Class - com.microsoft.jdbc.sqlserver.SQLServerDriver
Now put in your SQL username and password and I usually give it a good description. That's it, you're ready to go. You don't overwrite CFMX's drivers you just use these instead and you can still use CFMX at the same time with a different datasource which is how I did my testing.
Read the manual that comes with the drivers, that's where I got all my information from. It has some good stuff in there. You can specify a lot of information in the JDBC Url.
Bob Everland
>Joe, Robert, anyone...
>
>I've decided to give the MS JDBC drivers a go. What's the procedure for
>installing them to make CF use the Microsoft drivers over the DataDirect
>ones? I would imagine copying the jar files to the cfmx\lib folder would be
>a start...?
>
>Thanks
>
>-nathan strutz
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 7:54 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: RE: DataDirect JDBC drivers (shipped with CFMX)..
>
>
>My Test was done on CFMX 6.0 and MS-SQL Server Drivers was much faster than
>Data Direct.
>
>Joe Eugene
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Everland III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:30 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re:DataDirect JDBC drivers (shipped with CFMX)..
>
> Take a lookg at what I sent to the list yesterday. I already ran some
>tests with the drivers that come with 6.1 at least they seem to be very
>similar, though on really large sites I'm sure those numbers will increase.
>
>http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm/method=messages&threadid=280
>65&forumid=4
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RE: I need some enlightenment...
cool ;) -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 2:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: I need some enlightenment... I was responding to Matt's message. Both mine and his are doing things that she didn't want. My earlier email had the 'right' answer in it. barneyb [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: I need some enlightenment...
I was responding to Matt's message. Both mine and his are doing things that she didn't want. My earlier email had the 'right' answer in it. barneyb -Original Message- From: Bryan F. Hogan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:45 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: I need some enlightenment... Barney your example creates a structure with an element named 1 under teststruct. with an empty structure as does Mike's example. She wants structname1=struct structname2=struct which is Variables['testStruct'&i]=structNew() -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:35 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: I need some enlightenment... Or structInsert(variables.testStruct, i, structNew()). Same function, but documented CF syntax. -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:19 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: I need some enlightenment... > "variables.testStruct#i#"= structNew(); > or > variables.["testStruct#i#"]= structNew(); > or > variables.testStruct[i]= structNew(); or variables.testStruct.put(i, StructNew(); Matt Liotta President & CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news), beat the horse dead
I suppose you could "sit on" your patent for a while like eolas (lol). -Original Message- From: Joshua Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 2:53 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news), beat the horse dead No worries, I'm taking out a Patent on being an Asshole, then I'm going after Eolas and all these other jokers for infringement. Ask anyone I know, I'll get the patent. I wonder if one can get a patent on "Lawsuit as Business Model". Then we could really stick it to some people. On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 15:38, Kevin Marino wrote: > Matt, > > > Agree. as developers purely technical situations as this are a > nuisance for > sure, but the patents you need to be outraged about center on business > methods. Its these patents that make it almost impossible to say for > example, build an ecommerce site. I can pretty much bet anybody on > this > list who has built an ecommerce site has for most intents and purposes > probably infringed on a patent. > > > So instead of being outraged because you have to add a few lines of > code to > work around a patent to make your project accessible to the majority > of your > customer base, you should take up the grievance with the patent office > and > government when they allow business method patents and other far more > damaging patents. > > > That's my 2 cents, hope this thread ends soon (filling my mail box up, > gonna > have to start a new folder for this thread alone hehe ) > > > > -Kevin Marino > -- > Webmaster - HealthObjects > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 410 895 0377 > > -Original Message- > From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 3:17 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news) > > > But Eolas is still only suing MS and that is precisely my issue with > > him. I don't think he has any intentions of suing Apple and AOL. > Which > > in my book are still pretty big fish. They have openly said they are > > trying to 'balance the internet browser war'. (ie. We're only going > to > > sue MS) > > > I don't know how many times I have to repeat myself. It is standard > practice to sue the biggest fish first and then to handle the rest > after that case is finished. This a legal strategy used in all > industries. Further, this strategy has the additional business benefit > of reducing overall legal expenses as the other companies will > generally settle if the first lawsuit is won. Eolas's decision to > pursue only Microsoft at this point is common and expected behavior. > > All of the reasons people keeping pointing out that make Eolas a bad > company in their eyes can be applied to most of the top companies in > existence. IMHO, web developers only seem to care about this > particular > patent issue because it affects them directly. Where is the outcry for > all the other stupid patents and the companies behind them? > > Matt Liotta > President & CEO > Montara Software, Inc. > http://www.MontaraSoftware.com > (888) 408-0900 x901 > > _ > > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Losing my mind?
Put 0.800 Jerry Johnson >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/24/03 03:42PM >>> Am I losing my mind? Why does the following occur? Block 1 #i# Block 2 #i# Block 1 gives me values .800 - 1.200 Block 2 gives me values .600 - .775 but not .800 I'm using LTE and it skips .800. If I set it to LTE .825 then it gives me .800 on screen but not .825 If I put a one before the decimal making the range 1.600 - 1.800 it works, but .600 - .800 does not. Any ideas? -- Joshua Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news), beat the horse dead
No worries, I'm taking out a Patent on being an Asshole, then I'm going after Eolas and all these other jokers for infringement. Ask anyone I know, I'll get the patent. I wonder if one can get a patent on "Lawsuit as Business Model". Then we could really stick it to some people. On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 15:38, Kevin Marino wrote: > Matt, > > > Agree. as developers purely technical situations as this are a > nuisance for > sure, but the patents you need to be outraged about center on business > methods. Its these patents that make it almost impossible to say for > example, build an ecommerce site. I can pretty much bet anybody on > this > list who has built an ecommerce site has for most intents and purposes > probably infringed on a patent. > > > So instead of being outraged because you have to add a few lines of > code to > work around a patent to make your project accessible to the majority > of your > customer base, you should take up the grievance with the patent office > and > government when they allow business method patents and other far more > damaging patents. > > > That's my 2 cents, hope this thread ends soon (filling my mail box up, > gonna > have to start a new folder for this thread alone hehe ) > > > > -Kevin Marino > -- > Webmaster - HealthObjects > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 410 895 0377 > > -Original Message- > From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 3:17 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news) > > > But Eolas is still only suing MS and that is precisely my issue with > > him. I don't think he has any intentions of suing Apple and AOL. > Which > > in my book are still pretty big fish. They have openly said they are > > trying to 'balance the internet browser war'. (ie. We're only going > to > > sue MS) > > > I don't know how many times I have to repeat myself. It is standard > practice to sue the biggest fish first and then to handle the rest > after that case is finished. This a legal strategy used in all > industries. Further, this strategy has the additional business benefit > of reducing overall legal expenses as the other companies will > generally settle if the first lawsuit is won. Eolas's decision to > pursue only Microsoft at this point is common and expected behavior. > > All of the reasons people keeping pointing out that make Eolas a bad > company in their eyes can be applied to most of the top companies in > existence. IMHO, web developers only seem to care about this > particular > patent issue because it affects them directly. Where is the outcry for > all the other stupid patents and the companies behind them? > > Matt Liotta > President & CEO > Montara Software, Inc. > http://www.MontaraSoftware.com > (888) 408-0900 x901 > > _ > > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: DataDirect JDBC drivers (shipped with CFMX)..
Joe, Robert, anyone... I've decided to give the MS JDBC drivers a go. What's the procedure for installing them to make CF use the Microsoft drivers over the DataDirect ones? I would imagine copying the jar files to the cfmx\lib folder would be a start...? Thanks -nathan strutz -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 7:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: DataDirect JDBC drivers (shipped with CFMX).. My Test was done on CFMX 6.0 and MS-SQL Server Drivers was much faster than Data Direct. Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Robert Everland III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:30 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re:DataDirect JDBC drivers (shipped with CFMX).. Take a lookg at what I sent to the list yesterday. I already ran some tests with the drivers that come with 6.1 at least they seem to be very similar, though on really large sites I'm sure those numbers will increase. http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm/method=messages&threadid=280 65&forumid=4 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Blue Dragon and Fusebox
Mike, that sounds like more of a problem of which version of BD you are using. The error looked to be due to that version of BD not being able to execute the createObject() function . I believe with BD3.1 all of that is now supported. Here's another test you should do : make a similar call in a regular CF template, not using FB, on the same machine. I bet it breaks as well, which is probably a good sign that he just needs to upgrade his BD version. I use BD with FB4 for about 90% of stuff and it's been working like a charm. Check which version of BD your customer is using and let us know - Original Message - From: "Haggerty, Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 3:22 PM Subject: Blue Dragon and Fusebox > Does anyone know of any limitations using the FB3 core files on the > standard edition of Blue Dragon server? A customer is moving from CF5 to > BlueDragon and reporting the following problem with a Fusebox > application: > > BlueDragon Runtime Error > Request /index.cfm > File Trace C:/Program Files/New > Atlanta/BlueDragon_Server/wwwroot/Application.cfm > | > +-- C:/Program Files/New > Atlanta/BlueDragon_Server/wwwroot/global_vars.cfm > > Type Application > Message _Expression Error > Tag Context CFINCLUDE: Line=24; Column=1 > | > +-- CFSCRIPT: Line=13; Column=1 > Detail Function createobject does not exist > Extended Info > Source 10: ** > 11: ---> > 12: > 13: > 14: request.app = structNew(); > ^ Snippet from underlying CFML source > > M > > > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)
It's been my experience that the patent system operates much like the old adage about: "The definition of a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged" and "The definition of a liberal is a conservative who's been arrested" Regular people, particularly programmers it seems, love the idea of everything being free and open, up until the time when it is *their* intellectual property which is being absconded. As the holder of several patents, I can attest to how my mindset changed once the first was issued :) Unfortunately, the average person on the street does not have enough knowledge to understand how a derivative patent can be issued and it often looks flippant or random when all the info is not present. Even having been through the experience of getting one, I *know* I don't understand how the nuances of patent law works -- so I'm pretty confident that anyone who doesn't have a patent law degree probably has nothing but opinion to contribute to the Eolas/MS discussion. I think it says a lot about how techies are often just out of the business loop in thinking that IP is a secondary topic. In an era based on information and what one knows, IP is the *only* currency that holds true value, and things are simply not as simple as "well Newton invented gravity so we all owe him a dime each time we drop a hammer". It is the application of an idea to a new process altogether that makes derivative patents worthwhile and worth protecting, even if it takes a patent-attorney to understand the difference. also someone had said: "Additionally, I believe that patent enforcement should not be allowed to be selective." That's just awful. Patents are about property. If I own a pool why should I not be allowed to let whoever I wish swim in it? If you have a guest room at your home, do I have the right to just walk in and use it on any given night? If you take away fundamental property rights you dissolve any meaning to achievement. I'll close on a funny note. I remember an old All In The Family episode where Archie Bunker says "think about this: equality is unfair!" "What?!?", says Mike (the Meathead). Archie responds "well what's the purpose of trying to get ahead all your life if all you're gonna do is end up equal?" Now that is humorous of course, but it underscores a similar issue here. Equality is about equal opportunity, not about equal achievement. Patents -- properly issued, that is, but that's a different question -- protect people who have achieved some intellectual creation which is otherwise not protected from theft except by the patent. That is why patents are based on process, not on concept. - Original Message - From: "Calvin Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 2:37 PM Subject: Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news) > One can find both the system and the people who take advantage of the system to be less than honorable. And that opinion has no need to be influenced by the ethical level of target of the dishonorable behavior. > > It is my fervent hope that Eolas not only loses, but has to pay Microsoft's legal fees and additional damages to cover research for alternative solutions to an issue that shouldn't exist. > > Additionally, I believe that patent enforcement should not be allowed to be selective. > > - Calvin > - Original Message - > From: Matt Liotta > To: CF-Talk > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:52 PM > Subject: Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news) > > > > Since there's nothing we can do about it, we just have to use the > > workaround and hope that Eolas goes belly up. > > > Alternatively, you could get mad at the patent system instead and work > to change that instead of wasting time on the latest company exploiting > it. > > Matt Liotta > President & CEO > Montara Software, Inc. > http://www.MontaraSoftware.com > (888) 408-0900 x901 > > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Losing my mind?
Am I losing my mind? Why does the following occur? Block 1 #i# Block 2 #i# Block 1 gives me values .800 - 1.200 Block 2 gives me values .600 - .775 but not .800 I'm using LTE and it skips .800. If I set it to LTE .825 then it gives me .800 on screen but not .825 If I put a one before the decimal making the range 1.600 - 1.800 it works, but .600 - .800 does not. Any ideas? -- Joshua Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news), beat the horse dead
Matt, Agree. as developers purely technical situations as this are a nuisance for sure, but the patents you need to be outraged about center on business methods. Its these patents that make it almost impossible to say for example, build an ecommerce site. I can pretty much bet anybody on this list who has built an ecommerce site has for most intents and purposes probably infringed on a patent. So instead of being outraged because you have to add a few lines of code to work around a patent to make your project accessible to the majority of your customer base, you should take up the grievance with the patent office and government when they allow business method patents and other far more damaging patents. That's my 2 cents, hope this thread ends soon (filling my mail box up, gonna have to start a new folder for this thread alone hehe ) -Kevin Marino -- Webmaster - HealthObjects [EMAIL PROTECTED] 410 895 0377 -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 3:17 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news) > But Eolas is still only suing MS and that is precisely my issue with > him. I don't think he has any intentions of suing Apple and AOL. Which > in my book are still pretty big fish. They have openly said they are > trying to 'balance the internet browser war'. (ie. We're only going to > sue MS) > I don't know how many times I have to repeat myself. It is standard practice to sue the biggest fish first and then to handle the rest after that case is finished. This a legal strategy used in all industries. Further, this strategy has the additional business benefit of reducing overall legal expenses as the other companies will generally settle if the first lawsuit is won. Eolas's decision to pursue only Microsoft at this point is common and expected behavior. All of the reasons people keeping pointing out that make Eolas a bad company in their eyes can be applied to most of the top companies in existence. IMHO, web developers only seem to care about this particular patent issue because it affects them directly. Where is the outcry for all the other stupid patents and the companies behind them? Matt Liotta President & CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Blue Dragon and Fusebox
> Does anyone know of any limitations using the FB3 core files on the > standard edition of Blue Dragon server? A customer is moving from CF5 > to > BlueDragon and reporting the following problem with a Fusebox > application: > I am not aware of any specific limitation, but then again I don't use FB, so that isn't worth much. Can you provide some more information? The error seems to be in relation to the CreateObject function according to the details below, but I don't see CreateObject() is the short amount of source provided. Matt Liotta President & CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Blue Dragon and Fusebox
Does anyone know of any limitations using the FB3 core files on the standard edition of Blue Dragon server? A customer is moving from CF5 to BlueDragon and reporting the following problem with a Fusebox application: BlueDragon Runtime Error Request /index.cfm File Trace C:/Program Files/New Atlanta/BlueDragon_Server/wwwroot/Application.cfm | +-- C:/Program Files/New Atlanta/BlueDragon_Server/wwwroot/global_vars.cfm Type Application Message _Expression Error Tag Context CFINCLUDE: Line=24; Column=1 | +-- CFSCRIPT: Line=13; Column=1 Detail Function createobject does not exist Extended Info Source 10: ** 11: ---> 12: 13: 14: request.app = structNew(); ^ Snippet from underlying CFML source M [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)
> But Eolas is still only suing MS and that is precisely my issue with > him. I don't think he has any intentions of suing Apple and AOL. Which > in my book are still pretty big fish. They have openly said they are > trying to 'balance the internet browser war'. (ie. We're only going to > sue MS) > I don't know how many times I have to repeat myself. It is standard practice to sue the biggest fish first and then to handle the rest after that case is finished. This a legal strategy used in all industries. Further, this strategy has the additional business benefit of reducing overall legal expenses as the other companies will generally settle if the first lawsuit is won. Eolas's decision to pursue only Microsoft at this point is common and expected behavior. All of the reasons people keeping pointing out that make Eolas a bad company in their eyes can be applied to most of the top companies in existence. IMHO, web developers only seem to care about this particular patent issue because it affects them directly. Where is the outcry for all the other stupid patents and the companies behind them? Matt Liotta President & CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Vars in CFMAIL and CFQUERY tags
CF, On 10/24/2003 at 14:53, you wrote: CC> I have been using a CFMAIL tag with a query results set. I CC> specify the TO field to be the var representing the column in the CC> db containing the email address. That works fine. CC> Now I want to create a testMode state for testing and want to CC> change the TO field based on if I'm in TestMode or not. CC> What I've tried... * putting inside the CFMAIL tag * CC> putting a var inside the CFMAIL tag for the TO value and trying to CC> cfset it prior to the CFMAIL tag but the problem is, in one case I CC> want to send to a fixed address (mine) but still using the query CC> list so therefore send myself multiple copies of the same email, CC> one for each row in the query results set. In the other case I CC> want to actually use the query var for the email address which is CC> itself a var. I've tried using #Evaluate(DE())# functions but no CC> success. CC> I also want to limit the query to a smaller set of rows from the CC> email list using MAXROWS parameter of CFMAIL tag. Again, tried CC> using a var inside the CFQUERY tag like so: CC> name="qGetAlertList" #maxrowsparam# datasource=#DSN_DB# CC> dbtype="ODBC"> but it throws an error. How about doing your test mode switching in your SQL: select dbcolumnname'[EMAIL PROTECTED]' as dbcolumnname ... limit n; Not sure what database platform you're using, but see if you can specify your row limit within your SQL (PostgreSQL uses the 'limit' keyword) instead of using maxrows="n". ~ Ubqtous ~ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: I need some enlightenment...
Does anyone hold a patent for thought? If not, then it is about time someone patented it. Then each time someone uses his or her brain a fee would have to be paid. I wander which country/institution/social class would have to pay the most per capita :) TK -Original Message- From: Bryan F. Hogan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 3:45 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: I need some enlightenment... Barney your example creates a structure with an element named 1 under teststruct. with an empty structure as does Mike's example. She wants structname1=struct structname2=struct which is Variables['testStruct'&i]=structNew() -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:35 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: I need some enlightenment... Or structInsert(variables.testStruct, i, structNew()). Same function, but documented CF syntax. -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:19 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: I need some enlightenment... > "variables.testStruct#i#"= structNew(); > or > variables.["testStruct#i#"]= structNew(); > or > variables.testStruct[i]= structNew(); or variables.testStruct.put(i, StructNew(); Matt Liotta President & CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)
Matt, I definitely agree that the patent system has issue. Personally I don't think it's fair to own a patent on concepts. It just doesn't make sense. I didn't agree that Adobe should be allowed to own the 'toolbar' and I definitely don't think multimedia on a website is worthy of patent. So yeah, I agree he never should have been allowed to patent such a thing, but at the time the patent office was probably not the technologically savvy enough to realize how retarded this patent is. I think US patent laws need to be reformed for software. But Eolas is still only suing MS and that is precisely my issue with him. I don't think he has any intentions of suing Apple and AOL. Which in my book are still pretty big fish. They have openly said they are trying to 'balance the internet browser war'. (ie. We're only going to sue MS) Eolas _did_ offer to sell MS rights, but I have to side with MS's philosophy on this one. I wouldn't pay close to a billion dollars just so IE users can be saved a single click. It's just not cost effective. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:52 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news) > Since there's nothing we can do about it, we just have to use the > workaround and hope that Eolas goes belly up. > Alternatively, you could get mad at the patent system instead and work to change that instead of wasting time on the latest company exploiting it. Matt Liotta President & CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)
There are some things which are so fundemental that a society (and this is definately a society) that the enforcement of a patent is harmful and wrong. On another note, I believe that it was UCLA (probably some students) that actually thought of it. Doesn't UCLA receive State and Federal funds? You don't see Tim Berners-Lee sending out lawyers to companies that have networks saying "Hey that was our idea, now give me some money." This alone is a great eye-opener and worth a read. http://the-future-of-ideas.com/ P.S. I am certainly glad that Eddie Van Halen did not patent the "Hammer-On" I would have empty pockets. // Jaye Morris | Multimedia Applications Developer // [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.navtrak.net ++ + Navtrak, Inc. | StreetSuite | New Rules For The Road + ++ -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:49 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news) > If this was about "protecting intellectual property" all of the browser > vendors would be in the same boat, however they're not. Microsoft was > targeted because they have the deepest pockets and the lion's share of > the browser market. > Again, Eolas is following the standard patent litigation strategy used across this industry and many others. People should remember that Microsoft is poster child of unethical business practices when they cheer them on. Matt Liotta President & CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Vars in CFMAIL and CFQUERY tags
I have been using a CFMAIL tag with a query results set. I specify the TO field to be the var representing the column in the db containing the email address. That works fine. Now I want to create a testMode state for testing and want to change the TO field based on if I'm in TestMode or not. What I've tried... * putting inside the CFMAIL tag * putting a var inside the CFMAIL tag for the TO value and trying to cfset it prior to the CFMAIL tag but the problem is, in one case I want to send to a fixed address (mine) but still using the query list so therefore send myself multiple copies of the same email, one for each row in the query results set. In the other case I want to actually use the query var for the email address which is itself a var. I've tried using #Evaluate(DE())# functions but no success. I also want to limit the query to a smaller set of rows from the email list using MAXROWS parameter of CFMAIL tag. Again, tried using a var inside the CFQUERY tag like so: but it throws an error. Any ideas on how to handle this? CFCODER2 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: JDBC connection refused?!?
Sounds stupid but try unplugging and replugging your network cable on the back of the server. I had a machine once that did that several times... the ultimate fix in the end was to replace the network card and cable the problem mysteriously stopped. Probably not your issue... but worth a try... -Novak -Original Message- From: Tim Do [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:22 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: JDBC connection refused?!? Hello All, We started getting this error today...The jdbc suddenly stopped working... so I tried connecting with the odbc socket .. and it worked fine. But just wanted to go back to the jdbc. This is the error message that I'm getting: [Macromedia][SQLServer JDBC Driver]Error establishing socket. Connection refused: connect Then I got a couple of these ones also: Error Executing Database Query. ERROR: Could not locate Voyager. This usually means that the jrun-resources file does not contain configuration data for this database or pool Any ideas? Thanks! _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)
One can find both the system and the people who take advantage of the system to be less than honorable. And that opinion has no need to be influenced by the ethical level of target of the dishonorable behavior. It is my fervent hope that Eolas not only loses, but has to pay Microsoft's legal fees and additional damages to cover research for alternative solutions to an issue that shouldn't exist. Additionally, I believe that patent enforcement should not be allowed to be selective. - Calvin - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta To: CF-Talk Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:52 PM Subject: Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news) > Since there's nothing we can do about it, we just have to use the > workaround and hope that Eolas goes belly up. > Alternatively, you could get mad at the patent system instead and work to change that instead of wasting time on the latest company exploiting it. Matt Liotta President & CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: DNS Auto Failover (was: CFMX and ClusterCATS?)
It's a "poor man's" solution to fail over better than nothing... but not my first choice for a high availability site. You'll never achieve 99.99% uptime with it. :-) -Novak -Original Message- From: Joshua Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:13 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: DNS Auto Failover (was: CFMX and ClusterCATS?) A, I see, ok that's a pretty good idea actually. Other than being slightly slower than load balancing it's not a bad idea. I can't imagine a server being down for 20 minutes though, my boss would have shot me long before the DNS picked up for the other box. On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 13:56, cf-talk wrote: > Joshua, > > > The client currently uses a company called TZO (http://www.tzo.com) > > > In reality though if you have control over your own DNS you can do > this > pretty easily... all it really is is a fast refreshing DNS zone. For > example, if you set your zone records to expire every 20 min... you > could easily write a .CFM script which could rewrite the DNS records > and > only include the records for the servers that are currently > responding. > > > -Novak > > -Original Message- > From: Joshua Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:39 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: CFMX and ClusterCATS? > > I know it's not the best method as you said, but how are you doing the > DNS failover? I'd be interested as we're trying to devise a long term > plan for balancing two servers but right now they're in different > physical locations and I need a quick, short-term solution. > > Thanks > > On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 13:21, cf-talk wrote: > > Barney, > > > > > > So did you purchase an piece of NLB hardware to run in front of your > > boxes or are you using a Linux box to do that? Perhaps you could > > share > > with all of us a few more details of your setup? > > > > > > All I'm really after is the ability to set up four boxes... all > > running > > the exact same thing... and be able to kill any of those boxes at > any > > time without the end user being affected. Cheap is nice... easy is > > even > > nicer... > > > > > > The setup right now is DNS based failover but I'm not too impressed > by > > it. Basically it's just rewriting DNS records to remove the "dead" > > machine... but it can take several minutes for those DNS changes to > > roll. I want to provide something better than that. > > > > > > Thanks, > > -Novak > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:13 AM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: CFMX and ClusterCATS? > > > > I just set up a clustered arrangement, but I'm on Linux, so I won't > be > > of > > much assistance. We didn't cluster the CF servers directly, but > > rather > > just > > used a load balancer (actually a pair) in front to delegate each > > request > > to > > one of the CF servers. I'm not sure what clustering the CF servers > > directly > > brings to the table, rather than just using an external load > balancer. > > Perhaps easier administration (though I doubt that), and the savings > > from > > not having to buy another piece of hardware? All the CF servers > then > > connect to a separate DB server, which also has a hot backup. > > > > We can kill any machine in the rack and no one will know. And > adding > > more > > CF servers is just a matter of putting it in and running a single > > script > > on > > the primary load balancer. Very nice setup, I think. > > > > cheers, > > barneyb > > -Original Message- > > From: cf-talk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:53 AM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: CFMX and ClusterCATS? > > > > Hi All, > > > > Sorry for the repost... but I can't believe that nobody out there > > has > > any info... > > > > Does anyone here have any experience with CFMX6.1 and clustering? > > I'm > > looking to load balance two T1 connections across 2-4 CFMX boxes. > > But > > before I go and recommend to my clients that this is the way to > go, > > I'd > > like to play around with it a little myself. > > > > The platform would be Windows 2000 or Windows 2003 and CFMX 6.1 > > Enterprise. From what I've read about ClusterCATS it's supposed to > > install with CFMX right? Is this also true for the trial download > of > > CFMX (which is the Enterprise version)? I'd hate to have to > purchase > > a > > full blown enterprise version just to test this all out. > > > > As a side note... Windows 2003 has built in clustering which may > or > > may > > not do what I need. Basically what I'm looking for is network load > > balancing (NLB) across 2-4 machines. If one machine fails (for any > > reason) I want it to go unnoticed by the customer. > > > > Can someone out there point me in the right direction? I have > > several > > boxes I can use to set this up and test with... Just need a p
RE: I need some enlightenment...
Barney your example creates a structure with an element named 1 under teststruct. with an empty structure as does Mike's example. She wants structname1=struct structname2=struct which is Variables['testStruct'&i]=structNew() -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:35 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: I need some enlightenment... Or structInsert(variables.testStruct, i, structNew()). Same function, but documented CF syntax. -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:19 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: I need some enlightenment... > "variables.testStruct#i#"= structNew(); > or > variables.["testStruct#i#"]= structNew(); > or > variables.testStruct[i]= structNew(); or variables.testStruct.put(i, StructNew(); Matt Liotta President & CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Eolas patent suit
I think when it comes to viewing HTML email, Outlook is in essence, a browser. Haggerty, Mike wrote: > I guess I need to ask the question, how much are these Eolas patent > changes going to affect email. > > > What is going to happen in IE is a pop-up box will prompt users as to > whether or not they want to see 'Active Content' in the browser, unless > you use scripting. I haven't seen anything about this affecting HTML > enabled email. > > > 1) Is this really going to affect HTML email, or is this a browser > specific issue? As I understand it, this patent is specific to using Web > browsers to automatically load dynamic content through a plug-in, and > has nothing to do with HTML email. It it possible Outlook et al will not > be affected. > > > 2) Is the pop-up box that intrusive? I realize it would be a pain to > have to hit a button each time one receives a Flash email, but I can > also imagine, and have seen, far worse. > > > Either way, I think this problem can be dealt with and you will not be > put out of business. Or you could possibly sue Eolas, I can't say why > but people have made cases against companies for far less and been > successful. > > > In the worst case, you can switch your business model to deploying > dynamic content using pure and pleasing ASCII art (which a large number > of people actually prefer). I am preparing to release a custom tag > expressly for the purpose of converting raster images into high-res > ASCII, if you want in on the beta please let me know. > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Jeff Beer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:20 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Eolas patent suit > > > Dave is correct - scripting is out for e-mail messages - way too > many > variables to test for and manage, assuming you can even test. > We've > developed a way to allow the code to 'gracefully degrade' from > fully > scripted embedding of the OBJECT tag, to showing a standard jpg > image, > that works on almost all platforms. But, if I can't get remote > data, > none of this matters any more. > > Matt is also right - there's no way we can embed the flash > content in > the e-mail. I can't send a 400k e-mail to 50k people. The > users don't > mind some load time as there is a lot of static info that goes > with it. > However, people would (literally?) kill me if it took 30+ > seconds to > download the message itself. > > Even using base64 for the URI values, it's still external data, > and > won't load. I don't currently see any way to do this, so I'm > hoping > that either MS gives in and buys a license, or, Eolas gets beat > down in > court, before the new browser versions come out. Either way is > fine > with me :) > > > > > > _ > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: OT is OT (was Re: Eolas patent suit)
Thank you. There is a CF-OT list just for this discussion. CF-Talk is for CF technical talk only. I'd have jumped on this earlier if I wasn't dealing with just having my wisdom teeth out and a dead box (another site). Please move the Eolas, MM sock and related threads either to the MM-Talk list or the CF-OT list. Thanks And no, putting OT in the subject is not enough. If it was, then I would not have created another list for OT (usually non-technical) talk. Technical OT stuff may fit here, but these threads are not technical. > Shouldn't this Eolas stuff be OT? > > I know Flash and CF are nicely integrated, but this is CF-Talk. It's hard > enough to filter through the amount of mail on this list - OT posts should > be marked as such to help us find the CF stuff, at least. I don't use > Flash, or anything affected by the Eolas patent suit (even though I > obviously recognise it's important to web development in general, if not to > CF in particular). > > Just a thought, > > Gyrus > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://norlonto.net/gyrus/dev/ > PGP key available > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: I need some enlightenment...
Thanks everyone for all your suggestions, I got the results I needed now.
Nate
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> I still consider myself to be somewhat inexperienced when it comes to
> creating/using complex data types, so please forgive my ignorance.
>
> In the following bit of code:
>
>
> for (i=1; i LTE 4; i = i+1) {
> variables.testStruct[i] = structNew();
> }
>
>
>
>
> I expected it to create four separate structures within the variables
> scope/structure, i.e. variables.testStruct1, variables.testStruct2,
> variables.testStruct3, variables.testStruct4
>
> instead it creates a structure of structures, i.e.
> variables.testStruct.1,
> variables.testStruct.2, variables.testStruct.3, variables.testStruct.4
>
> Can someone please explain to me what I am missing?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nate
>
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RE: Eolas patent suit
I guess I need to ask the question, how much are these Eolas patent changes going to affect email. What is going to happen in IE is a pop-up box will prompt users as to whether or not they want to see 'Active Content' in the browser, unless you use scripting. I haven't seen anything about this affecting HTML enabled email. 1) Is this really going to affect HTML email, or is this a browser specific issue? As I understand it, this patent is specific to using Web browsers to automatically load dynamic content through a plug-in, and has nothing to do with HTML email. It it possible Outlook et al will not be affected. 2) Is the pop-up box that intrusive? I realize it would be a pain to have to hit a button each time one receives a Flash email, but I can also imagine, and have seen, far worse. Either way, I think this problem can be dealt with and you will not be put out of business. Or you could possibly sue Eolas, I can't say why but people have made cases against companies for far less and been successful. In the worst case, you can switch your business model to deploying dynamic content using pure and pleasing ASCII art (which a large number of people actually prefer). I am preparing to release a custom tag expressly for the purpose of converting raster images into high-res ASCII, if you want in on the beta please let me know. -Original Message- From: Jeff Beer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:20 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Eolas patent suit Dave is correct - scripting is out for e-mail messages - way too many variables to test for and manage, assuming you can even test. We've developed a way to allow the code to 'gracefully degrade' from fully scripted embedding of the OBJECT tag, to showing a standard jpg image, that works on almost all platforms. But, if I can't get remote data, none of this matters any more. Matt is also right - there's no way we can embed the flash content in the e-mail. I can't send a 400k e-mail to 50k people. The users don't mind some load time as there is a lot of static info that goes with it. However, people would (literally?) kill me if it took 30+ seconds to download the message itself. Even using base64 for the URI values, it's still external data, and won't load. I don't currently see any way to do this, so I'm hoping that either MS gives in and buys a license, or, Eolas gets beat down in court, before the new browser versions come out. Either way is fine with me :) _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: I need some enlightenment...
Or structInsert(variables.testStruct, i, structNew()). Same function, but documented CF syntax. -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:19 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: I need some enlightenment... > "variables.testStruct#i#"= structNew(); > or > variables.["testStruct#i#"]= structNew(); > or > variables.testStruct[i]= structNew(); or variables.testStruct.put(i, StructNew(); Matt Liotta President & CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: I need some enlightenment...
variables.testStruct.put(i, StructNew(); save from the typo your example returns Element TESTSTRUCT is undefined in a Java object of type class [Ljava.lang.String; referenced as The error occurred on line 1. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: OT is OT (was Re: Eolas patent suit)
> I know Flash and CF are nicely integrated, but this is CF-Talk. It's > hard > enough to filter through the amount of mail on this list - OT posts > should > be marked as such to help us find the CF stuff, at least. I don't use > Flash, or anything affected by the Eolas patent suit (even though I > obviously recognise it's important to web development in general, if > not to > CF in particular). > Hence why I put OT in the topic. Matt Liotta President & CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
JDBC connection refused?!?
Hello All, We started getting this error today...The jdbc suddenly stopped working... so I tried connecting with the odbc socket .. and it worked fine. But just wanted to go back to the jdbc. This is the error message that I'm getting: [Macromedia][SQLServer JDBC Driver]Error establishing socket. Connection refused: connect Then I got a couple of these ones also: Error Executing Database Query. ERROR: Could not locate Voyager. This usually means that the jrun-resources file does not contain configuration data for this database or pool Any ideas? Thanks! [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: I need some enlightenment...
> "variables.testStruct#i#"= structNew(); > or > variables.["testStruct#i#"]= structNew(); > or > variables.testStruct[i]= structNew(); or variables.testStruct.put(i, StructNew(); Matt Liotta President & CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
OT is OT (was Re: Eolas patent suit)
Shouldn't this Eolas stuff be OT? I know Flash and CF are nicely integrated, but this is CF-Talk. It's hard enough to filter through the amount of mail on this list - OT posts should be marked as such to help us find the CF stuff, at least. I don't use Flash, or anything affected by the Eolas patent suit (even though I obviously recognise it's important to web development in general, if not to CF in particular). Just a thought, Gyrus [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://norlonto.net/gyrus/dev/ PGP key available [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: I need some enlightenment...
Sandy,
I tried your code and replaced the brackets around the i with pound signs
and I got an error.
Thanks for the suggestion,
Nate
Quoting Sandy Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>
> for (i=1; i LTE 4; i = i+1) {
> variables.testStruct#i#= structNew();
> }
>
>
> _
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:54 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: I need some enlightenment...
>
>
> I still consider myself to be somewhat inexperienced when it comes to
> creating/using complex data types, so please forgive my ignorance.
>
> In the following bit of code:
>
>
> for (i=1; i LTE 4; i = i+1) {
> variables.testStruct[i] = structNew();
> }
>
>
>
>
> I expected it to create four separate structures within the variables
> scope/structure, i.e. variables.testStruct1, variables.testStruct2,
> variables.testStruct3, variables.testStruct4
>
> instead it creates a structure of structures, i.e.
> variables.testStruct.1,
> variables.testStruct.2, variables.testStruct.3, variables.testStruct.4
>
> Can someone please explain to me what I am missing?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nate
> _
>
>
>
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Re: DNS Auto Failover (was: CFMX and ClusterCATS?)
A, I see, ok that's a pretty good idea actually. Other than being slightly slower than load balancing it's not a bad idea. I can't imagine a server being down for 20 minutes though, my boss would have shot me long before the DNS picked up for the other box. On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 13:56, cf-talk wrote: > Joshua, > > > The client currently uses a company called TZO (http://www.tzo.com) > > > In reality though if you have control over your own DNS you can do > this > pretty easily... all it really is is a fast refreshing DNS zone. For > example, if you set your zone records to expire every 20 min... you > could easily write a .CFM script which could rewrite the DNS records > and > only include the records for the servers that are currently > responding. > > > -Novak > > -Original Message- > From: Joshua Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:39 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: CFMX and ClusterCATS? > > I know it's not the best method as you said, but how are you doing the > DNS failover? I'd be interested as we're trying to devise a long term > plan for balancing two servers but right now they're in different > physical locations and I need a quick, short-term solution. > > Thanks > > On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 13:21, cf-talk wrote: > > Barney, > > > > > > So did you purchase an piece of NLB hardware to run in front of your > > boxes or are you using a Linux box to do that? Perhaps you could > > share > > with all of us a few more details of your setup? > > > > > > All I'm really after is the ability to set up four boxes... all > > running > > the exact same thing... and be able to kill any of those boxes at > any > > time without the end user being affected. Cheap is nice... easy is > > even > > nicer... > > > > > > The setup right now is DNS based failover but I'm not too impressed > by > > it. Basically it's just rewriting DNS records to remove the "dead" > > machine... but it can take several minutes for those DNS changes to > > roll. I want to provide something better than that. > > > > > > Thanks, > > -Novak > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:13 AM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: CFMX and ClusterCATS? > > > > I just set up a clustered arrangement, but I'm on Linux, so I won't > be > > of > > much assistance. We didn't cluster the CF servers directly, but > > rather > > just > > used a load balancer (actually a pair) in front to delegate each > > request > > to > > one of the CF servers. I'm not sure what clustering the CF servers > > directly > > brings to the table, rather than just using an external load > balancer. > > Perhaps easier administration (though I doubt that), and the savings > > from > > not having to buy another piece of hardware? All the CF servers > then > > connect to a separate DB server, which also has a hot backup. > > > > We can kill any machine in the rack and no one will know. And > adding > > more > > CF servers is just a matter of putting it in and running a single > > script > > on > > the primary load balancer. Very nice setup, I think. > > > > cheers, > > barneyb > > -Original Message- > > From: cf-talk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:53 AM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: CFMX and ClusterCATS? > > > > Hi All, > > > > Sorry for the repost... but I can't believe that nobody out there > > has > > any info... > > > > Does anyone here have any experience with CFMX6.1 and clustering? > > I'm > > looking to load balance two T1 connections across 2-4 CFMX boxes. > > But > > before I go and recommend to my clients that this is the way to > go, > > I'd > > like to play around with it a little myself. > > > > The platform would be Windows 2000 or Windows 2003 and CFMX 6.1 > > Enterprise. From what I've read about ClusterCATS it's supposed to > > install with CFMX right? Is this also true for the trial download > of > > CFMX (which is the Enterprise version)? I'd hate to have to > purchase > > a > > full blown enterprise version just to test this all out. > > > > As a side note... Windows 2003 has built in clustering which may > or > > may > > not do what I need. Basically what I'm looking for is network load > > balancing (NLB) across 2-4 machines. If one machine fails (for any > > reason) I want it to go unnoticed by the customer. > > > > Can someone out there point me in the right direction? I have > > several > > boxes I can use to set this up and test with... Just need a push > in > > the > > right direction. > > > > -Novak > > > > _ > > > > > > > _ > > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: I need some enlightenment...
try something like
for (i=1; i LTE 4; i = i+1) {
variables["testStruct" & i] = structNew();
}
HTH
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 18:54
To: CF-Talk
Subject: I need some enlightenment...
I still consider myself to be somewhat inexperienced when it comes to
creating/using complex data types, so please forgive my ignorance.
In the following bit of code:
for (i=1; i LTE 4; i = i+1) {
variables.testStruct[i] = structNew();
}
I expected it to create four separate structures within the variables
scope/structure, i.e. variables.testStruct1, variables.testStruct2,
variables.testStruct3, variables.testStruct4
instead it creates a structure of structures, i.e. variables.testStruct.1,
variables.testStruct.2, variables.testStruct.3, variables.testStruct.4
Can someone please explain to me what I am missing?
Thanks,
Nate
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RE: I need some enlightenment...
"variables.testStruct#i#"= structNew();
or
variables.["testStruct#i#"]= structNew();
or
variables.testStruct[i]= structNew();
will do it, depending on what exactly you're trying to do. I think you want
one of the first two (which do the same thing). I prefer the second, as
it's more readable, IMO.
cheers,
barneyb
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From: Sandy Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:58 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: I need some enlightenment...
for (i=1; i LTE 4; i = i+1) {
variables.testStruct#i#= structNew();
}
_
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:54 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: I need some enlightenment...
I still consider myself to be somewhat inexperienced when it comes to
creating/using complex data types, so please forgive my ignorance.
In the following bit of code:
for (i=1; i LTE 4; i = i+1) {
variables.testStruct[i] = structNew();
}
I expected it to create four separate structures within the variables
scope/structure, i.e. variables.testStruct1, variables.testStruct2,
variables.testStruct3, variables.testStruct4
instead it creates a structure of structures, i.e. variables.testStruct.1,
variables.testStruct.2, variables.testStruct.3, variables.testStruct.4
Can someone please explain to me what I am missing?
Thanks,
Nate
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RE: I need some enlightenment...
for (i=1; i lte 4; i=i+1) {
Variables['testStruct'&i]=structNew();
}
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:54 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: I need some enlightenment...
I still consider myself to be somewhat inexperienced when it comes to
creating/using complex data types, so please forgive my ignorance.
In the following bit of code:
for (i=1; i LTE 4; i = i+1) {
variables.testStruct[i] = structNew();
}
I expected it to create four separate structures within the variables
scope/structure, i.e. variables.testStruct1, variables.testStruct2,
variables.testStruct3, variables.testStruct4
instead it creates a structure of structures, i.e. variables.testStruct.1,
variables.testStruct.2, variables.testStruct.3, variables.testStruct.4
Can someone please explain to me what I am missing?
Thanks,
Nate
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RE: I need some enlightenment...
You mean you wanted to do something like:
4 different structures
or
array of 4 structs
or
struct of 4 structs?
TK
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Subject: I need some enlightenment...
I still consider myself to be somewhat inexperienced when it comes to
creating/using complex data types, so please forgive my ignorance.
In the following bit of code:
for (i=1; i LTE 4; i = i+1) {
variables.testStruct[i] = structNew();
}
I expected it to create four separate structures within the variables
scope/structure, i.e. variables.testStruct1, variables.testStruct2,
variables.testStruct3, variables.testStruct4
instead it creates a structure of structures, i.e. variables.testStruct.1,
variables.testStruct.2, variables.testStruct.3, variables.testStruct.4
Can someone please explain to me what I am missing?
Thanks,
Nate
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RE: CFMX and ClusterCATS?
Fail-over and load balancing are two different beasts in my mind. Currently we've got a load balancer (set to sticky sessions) in front of an Apache cluster (2) which each have the JRun connector installed. Each request is routed to a JRun instance in round-robin fashion (default). While this works, I'd probably like to move towards adding a load balancer in front of the Jrun cluster. We're using Alteon switches which can monitor the actual 'health' of a server and route each request accordingly. That would prob yield a more efficient distribution across the cluster. Guess there are many ways to skin a cat. ;-) Stace _ From: Matthew Fusfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 24, 2003 1:34 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFMX and ClusterCATS? We played around with clustercats...it is on the CFMX CD (I think) and there is a download on Macromedia's site where you can get it. We tested in on Windows 2003 Web Edition without anything "in front". Worked pretty well, if we killed one server, the other would take over with very little loss of traffic. (I think it may have confused our switch somewhat which might account for the delay) Matt -Original Message- From: cf-talk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:53 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFMX and ClusterCATS? Hi All, Sorry for the repost... but I can't believe that nobody out there has any info... Does anyone here have any experience with CFMX6.1 and clustering? I'm looking to load balance two T1 connections across 2-4 CFMX boxes. But before I go and recommend to my clients that this is the way to go, I'd like to play around with it a little myself. The platform would be Windows 2000 or Windows 2003 and CFMX 6.1 Enterprise. From what I've read about ClusterCATS it's supposed to install with CFMX right? Is this also true for the trial download of CFMX (which is the Enterprise version)? I'd hate to have to purchase a full blown enterprise version just to test this all out. As a side note... Windows 2003 has built in clustering which may or may not do what I need. Basically what I'm looking for is network load balancing (NLB) across 2-4 machines. If one machine fails (for any reason) I want it to go unnoticed by the customer. Can someone out there point me in the right direction? I have several boxes I can use to set this up and test with... Just need a push in the right direction. -Novak _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: I need some enlightenment...
for (i=1; i LTE 4; i = i+1) {
variables.testStruct#i#= structNew();
}
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Subject: I need some enlightenment...
I still consider myself to be somewhat inexperienced when it comes to
creating/using complex data types, so please forgive my ignorance.
In the following bit of code:
for (i=1; i LTE 4; i = i+1) {
variables.testStruct[i] = structNew();
}
I expected it to create four separate structures within the variables
scope/structure, i.e. variables.testStruct1, variables.testStruct2,
variables.testStruct3, variables.testStruct4
instead it creates a structure of structures, i.e. variables.testStruct.1,
variables.testStruct.2, variables.testStruct.3, variables.testStruct.4
Can someone please explain to me what I am missing?
Thanks,
Nate
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DNS Auto Failover (was: CFMX and ClusterCATS?)
Joshua, The client currently uses a company called TZO (http://www.tzo.com) In reality though if you have control over your own DNS you can do this pretty easily... all it really is is a fast refreshing DNS zone. For example, if you set your zone records to expire every 20 min... you could easily write a .CFM script which could rewrite the DNS records and only include the records for the servers that are currently responding. -Novak -Original Message- From: Joshua Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:39 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFMX and ClusterCATS? I know it's not the best method as you said, but how are you doing the DNS failover? I'd be interested as we're trying to devise a long term plan for balancing two servers but right now they're in different physical locations and I need a quick, short-term solution. Thanks On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 13:21, cf-talk wrote: > Barney, > > > So did you purchase an piece of NLB hardware to run in front of your > boxes or are you using a Linux box to do that? Perhaps you could > share > with all of us a few more details of your setup? > > > All I'm really after is the ability to set up four boxes... all > running > the exact same thing... and be able to kill any of those boxes at any > time without the end user being affected. Cheap is nice... easy is > even > nicer... > > > The setup right now is DNS based failover but I'm not too impressed by > it. Basically it's just rewriting DNS records to remove the "dead" > machine... but it can take several minutes for those DNS changes to > roll. I want to provide something better than that. > > > Thanks, > -Novak > > -Original Message- > From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:13 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: CFMX and ClusterCATS? > > I just set up a clustered arrangement, but I'm on Linux, so I won't be > of > much assistance. We didn't cluster the CF servers directly, but > rather > just > used a load balancer (actually a pair) in front to delegate each > request > to > one of the CF servers. I'm not sure what clustering the CF servers > directly > brings to the table, rather than just using an external load balancer. > Perhaps easier administration (though I doubt that), and the savings > from > not having to buy another piece of hardware? All the CF servers then > connect to a separate DB server, which also has a hot backup. > > We can kill any machine in the rack and no one will know. And adding > more > CF servers is just a matter of putting it in and running a single > script > on > the primary load balancer. Very nice setup, I think. > > cheers, > barneyb > -Original Message- > From: cf-talk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:53 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: CFMX and ClusterCATS? > > Hi All, > > Sorry for the repost... but I can't believe that nobody out there > has > any info... > > Does anyone here have any experience with CFMX6.1 and clustering? > I'm > looking to load balance two T1 connections across 2-4 CFMX boxes. > But > before I go and recommend to my clients that this is the way to go, > I'd > like to play around with it a little myself. > > The platform would be Windows 2000 or Windows 2003 and CFMX 6.1 > Enterprise. From what I've read about ClusterCATS it's supposed to > install with CFMX right? Is this also true for the trial download of > CFMX (which is the Enterprise version)? I'd hate to have to purchase > a > full blown enterprise version just to test this all out. > > As a side note... Windows 2003 has built in clustering which may or > may > not do what I need. Basically what I'm looking for is network load > balancing (NLB) across 2-4 machines. If one machine fails (for any > reason) I want it to go unnoticed by the customer. > > Can someone out there point me in the right direction? I have > several > boxes I can use to set this up and test with... Just need a push in > the > right direction. > > -Novak > > _ > > > _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: CFMX and ClusterCATS?
Here's a much more fleshed out description of the setup. Everything's running Linux. Right now we have 6 machines, two load balancers, two web/CF servers, and two DB servers. The DB servers also handle uploaded files, as they need to be served from any of the web servers. Each web server has an NFS mount to the shared directory on the active DB server. There are two load balancers in front. They are running ldirectord for the balancing, and heartbeat for failover. Behind them, on a private network, are the Apache/CF servers, and behind them (on another, separate private network) is the database server and it's replication slave. The DB servers are also running heartbeat and use a virtual IP address that the CF servers connect to, so that IP can fail over to the slave server with no one noticing. The failover that heartbeat does is IP only, but it does a gratouitous arp afterwards, which will make most machines (some windows machines don't respond correctly) refresh their arp cache, making MAC failover unneeded. Based on our trials, we'll be able to add at least 15-20 more Apache/CF servers to the cluster before we have need for beefier DB or load balancing servers. Our application is VERY application-logic intensive (just the nature of the beast), and we're running MySQL which is blazing, so I suspect those numbers are skewed compared to the 'average' application. There are three things that can go wrong, the primary loadbalancer fails, a web server fails, or the master DB fails. In the first case, the secondary load balancer assumes the role, and the dead loadbalancer, once fixed, will resume life as the secondary load balancer for use as needed. That switch happens almost instantaneously. If a web server fails, it is removed from the pool on the primary load balancer within 10 seconds or so, so no more requests are routed to it until it is back up. If the master DB fails, the slave takes over immediately, and reloads the NFS mounts on the web servers. However, because the replication is only one way, the master does NOT come up as a secondary if it gets fixed. It just stays dead until it can be reconfigured as a slave for the new master. That's a manual process at this point, but such is life. All the CF servers are totally independant of the others. None of them know the other's exist at the CF level. Our application does caching for obvious reasons, so there is some application-level syncronization that needs to take place. That's accomplished by CFHTTP calls across the private network to flush caches. The CF servers request a list of active servers from the primary load balancer periodically so they know who to alert when they need to do that. We opted to not use session variables, instead using our own in-house version of client variables stored in the DB, so there is no need for persistant connections. And we're using CF Standard, which saves us $3500 a server. We don't need any of the enterprise features, because we're providing them ourselves with the setup. cheers, barneyb -Original Message- From: cf-talk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:22 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFMX and ClusterCATS? Barney, So did you purchase an piece of NLB hardware to run in front of your boxes or are you using a Linux box to do that? Perhaps you could share with all of us a few more details of your setup? All I'm really after is the ability to set up four boxes... all running the exact same thing... and be able to kill any of those boxes at any time without the end user being affected. Cheap is nice... easy is even nicer... The setup right now is DNS based failover but I'm not too impressed by it. Basically it's just rewriting DNS records to remove the "dead" machine... but it can take several minutes for those DNS changes to roll. I want to provide something better than that. Thanks, -Novak -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:13 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFMX and ClusterCATS? I just set up a clustered arrangement, but I'm on Linux, so I won't be of much assistance. We didn't cluster the CF servers directly, but rather just used a load balancer (actually a pair) in front to delegate each request to one of the CF servers. I'm not sure what clustering the CF servers directly brings to the table, rather than just using an external load balancer. Perhaps easier administration (though I doubt that), and the savings from not having to buy another piece of hardware? All the CF servers then connect to a separate DB server, which also has a hot backup. We can kill any machine in the rack and no one will know. And adding more CF servers is just a matter of putting it in and running a single script on the primary load balancer. Very nice setup, I think. cheers, barneyb -Original Mess
I need some enlightenment...
I still consider myself to be somewhat inexperienced when it comes to
creating/using complex data types, so please forgive my ignorance.
In the following bit of code:
for (i=1; i LTE 4; i = i+1) {
variables.testStruct[i] = structNew();
}
I expected it to create four separate structures within the variables
scope/structure, i.e. variables.testStruct1, variables.testStruct2,
variables.testStruct3, variables.testStruct4
instead it creates a structure of structures, i.e. variables.testStruct.1,
variables.testStruct.2, variables.testStruct.3, variables.testStruct.4
Can someone please explain to me what I am missing?
Thanks,
Nate
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Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)
> Since there's nothing we can do about it, we just have to use the > workaround and hope that Eolas goes belly up. > Alternatively, you could get mad at the patent system instead and work to change that instead of wasting time on the latest company exploiting it. Matt Liotta President & CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)
At 12:22 PM 10/24/03 -0400, Matt Liotta wrote: >It is standard practice to sue the big fish first before suing any >other infringers. Again, Eolas is currently playing fair. Whether or >not we like, they did get the patent and are allowed to enforce it. I don't think that being an ass has anything to do with whether what you are doing is legal or not. The RCMP can fine you for going 1 km over the speed limit. That's legal without question. But it's generally considered mean. I would consider that officer an ass, because there's a difference between simply being a jerk, the legality of the action. In this case, we have something has been done in a specific way for years. Then a company buys the patent to this method and announces that they want money for it. Sure that's legal, but it's also sleazy, IMO. Since there's nothing we can do about it, we just have to use the workaround and hope that Eolas goes belly up. T Tired of your bookmarks/favourites being limited to one computer? Move them to the Net! www.stuffbythane.com/webfavourites makes it easy to keep all your favourites in one place and access them from any computer that's attached to the Internet. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: JAVA 1.4 vs CFMX Java
>Generally speaking, the newer versions of sun's java are better than the >older versions. CFMX 6.0 comes with version 1.3.1, and CFMX 6.1 comes with >version 1.4.2, currently the latest version. If you haven't upgraded to >6.1, >I highly recommend it. If you have, you already have the latest version, >and >therefore can't get much better. If you're on CFMX 6.0, you may have luck >upgrading to 1.4.2, but be ready to roll back if you notice things not >working or responding as fast, as CFMX 6.0 was engineered with 1.3.1 in >mind. > >I have heard of someone having success with IBM's java (tends to be faster >than sun's), but YMMV. > Technically speaking, the latest version of Sun's java is 1.4.2_02, which contains tons of bug fixes from the initial 1.4.2 release. Regards, Dave. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: CFMX and ClusterCATS?
I know it's not the best method as you said, but how are you doing the DNS failover? I'd be interested as we're trying to devise a long term plan for balancing two servers but right now they're in different physical locations and I need a quick, short-term solution. Thanks On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 13:21, cf-talk wrote: > Barney, > > > So did you purchase an piece of NLB hardware to run in front of your > boxes or are you using a Linux box to do that? Perhaps you could > share > with all of us a few more details of your setup? > > > All I'm really after is the ability to set up four boxes... all > running > the exact same thing... and be able to kill any of those boxes at any > time without the end user being affected. Cheap is nice... easy is > even > nicer... > > > The setup right now is DNS based failover but I'm not too impressed by > it. Basically it's just rewriting DNS records to remove the "dead" > machine... but it can take several minutes for those DNS changes to > roll. I want to provide something better than that. > > > Thanks, > -Novak > > -Original Message- > From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:13 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: CFMX and ClusterCATS? > > I just set up a clustered arrangement, but I'm on Linux, so I won't be > of > much assistance. We didn't cluster the CF servers directly, but > rather > just > used a load balancer (actually a pair) in front to delegate each > request > to > one of the CF servers. I'm not sure what clustering the CF servers > directly > brings to the table, rather than just using an external load balancer. > Perhaps easier administration (though I doubt that), and the savings > from > not having to buy another piece of hardware? All the CF servers then > connect to a separate DB server, which also has a hot backup. > > We can kill any machine in the rack and no one will know. And adding > more > CF servers is just a matter of putting it in and running a single > script > on > the primary load balancer. Very nice setup, I think. > > cheers, > barneyb > -Original Message- > From: cf-talk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:53 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: CFMX and ClusterCATS? > > Hi All, > > Sorry for the repost... but I can't believe that nobody out there > has > any info... > > Does anyone here have any experience with CFMX6.1 and clustering? > I'm > looking to load balance two T1 connections across 2-4 CFMX boxes. > But > before I go and recommend to my clients that this is the way to go, > I'd > like to play around with it a little myself. > > The platform would be Windows 2000 or Windows 2003 and CFMX 6.1 > Enterprise. From what I've read about ClusterCATS it's supposed to > install with CFMX right? Is this also true for the trial download of > CFMX (which is the Enterprise version)? I'd hate to have to purchase > a > full blown enterprise version just to test this all out. > > As a side note... Windows 2003 has built in clustering which may or > may > not do what I need. Basically what I'm looking for is network load > balancing (NLB) across 2-4 machines. If one machine fails (for any > reason) I want it to go unnoticed by the customer. > > Can someone out there point me in the right direction? I have > several > boxes I can use to set this up and test with... Just need a push in > the > right direction. > > -Novak > > _ > > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: CFMX and ClusterCATS?
We played around with clustercats...it is on the CFMX CD (I think) and there is a download on Macromedia's site where you can get it. We tested in on Windows 2003 Web Edition without anything "in front". Worked pretty well, if we killed one server, the other would take over with very little loss of traffic. (I think it may have confused our switch somewhat which might account for the delay) Matt -Original Message- From: cf-talk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:53 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFMX and ClusterCATS? Hi All, Sorry for the repost... but I can't believe that nobody out there has any info... Does anyone here have any experience with CFMX6.1 and clustering? I'm looking to load balance two T1 connections across 2-4 CFMX boxes. But before I go and recommend to my clients that this is the way to go, I'd like to play around with it a little myself. The platform would be Windows 2000 or Windows 2003 and CFMX 6.1 Enterprise. From what I've read about ClusterCATS it's supposed to install with CFMX right? Is this also true for the trial download of CFMX (which is the Enterprise version)? I'd hate to have to purchase a full blown enterprise version just to test this all out. As a side note... Windows 2003 has built in clustering which may or may not do what I need. Basically what I'm looking for is network load balancing (NLB) across 2-4 machines. If one machine fails (for any reason) I want it to go unnoticed by the customer. Can someone out there point me in the right direction? I have several boxes I can use to set this up and test with... Just need a push in the right direction. -Novak _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: JAVA 1.4 vs CFMX Java
Generally speaking, the newer versions of sun's java are better than the older versions. CFMX 6.0 comes with version 1.3.1, and CFMX 6.1 comes with version 1.4.2, currently the latest version. If you haven't upgraded to 6.1, I highly recommend it. If you have, you already have the latest version, and therefore can't get much better. If you're on CFMX 6.0, you may have luck upgrading to 1.4.2, but be ready to roll back if you notice things not working or responding as fast, as CFMX 6.0 was engineered with 1.3.1 in mind. I have heard of someone having success with IBM's java (tends to be faster than sun's), but YMMV. -nathan strutz -Original Message- From: Robert Everland III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: JAVA 1.4 vs CFMX Java I know I can swap out which Java to use, but is it better to use the latest version (for speed's sake not so much compatibility) as opposed to the version that comes with CFMX. Just curious if I can get a little more juice out of CFMX. Bob Everland [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: CFMX and ClusterCATS?
Barney, So did you purchase an piece of NLB hardware to run in front of your boxes or are you using a Linux box to do that? Perhaps you could share with all of us a few more details of your setup? All I'm really after is the ability to set up four boxes... all running the exact same thing... and be able to kill any of those boxes at any time without the end user being affected. Cheap is nice... easy is even nicer... The setup right now is DNS based failover but I'm not too impressed by it. Basically it's just rewriting DNS records to remove the "dead" machine... but it can take several minutes for those DNS changes to roll. I want to provide something better than that. Thanks, -Novak -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:13 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFMX and ClusterCATS? I just set up a clustered arrangement, but I'm on Linux, so I won't be of much assistance. We didn't cluster the CF servers directly, but rather just used a load balancer (actually a pair) in front to delegate each request to one of the CF servers. I'm not sure what clustering the CF servers directly brings to the table, rather than just using an external load balancer. Perhaps easier administration (though I doubt that), and the savings from not having to buy another piece of hardware? All the CF servers then connect to a separate DB server, which also has a hot backup. We can kill any machine in the rack and no one will know. And adding more CF servers is just a matter of putting it in and running a single script on the primary load balancer. Very nice setup, I think. cheers, barneyb -Original Message- From: cf-talk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFMX and ClusterCATS? Hi All, Sorry for the repost... but I can't believe that nobody out there has any info... Does anyone here have any experience with CFMX6.1 and clustering? I'm looking to load balance two T1 connections across 2-4 CFMX boxes. But before I go and recommend to my clients that this is the way to go, I'd like to play around with it a little myself. The platform would be Windows 2000 or Windows 2003 and CFMX 6.1 Enterprise. From what I've read about ClusterCATS it's supposed to install with CFMX right? Is this also true for the trial download of CFMX (which is the Enterprise version)? I'd hate to have to purchase a full blown enterprise version just to test this all out. As a side note... Windows 2003 has built in clustering which may or may not do what I need. Basically what I'm looking for is network load balancing (NLB) across 2-4 machines. If one machine fails (for any reason) I want it to go unnoticed by the customer. Can someone out there point me in the right direction? I have several boxes I can use to set this up and test with... Just need a push in the right direction. -Novak _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Eolas patent suit
Dave is correct - scripting is out for e-mail messages - way too many variables to test for and manage, assuming you can even test. We've developed a way to allow the code to 'gracefully degrade' from fully scripted embedding of the OBJECT tag, to showing a standard jpg image, that works on almost all platforms. But, if I can't get remote data, none of this matters any more. Matt is also right - there's no way we can embed the flash content in the e-mail. I can't send a 400k e-mail to 50k people. The users don't mind some load time as there is a lot of static info that goes with it. However, people would (literally?) kill me if it took 30+ seconds to download the message itself. Even using base64 for the URI values, it's still external data, and won't load. I don't currently see any way to do this, so I'm hoping that either MS gives in and buys a license, or, Eolas gets beat down in court, before the new browser versions come out. Either way is fine with me :) [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: CFMX and ClusterCATS?
I just set up a clustered arrangement, but I'm on Linux, so I won't be of much assistance. We didn't cluster the CF servers directly, but rather just used a load balancer (actually a pair) in front to delegate each request to one of the CF servers. I'm not sure what clustering the CF servers directly brings to the table, rather than just using an external load balancer. Perhaps easier administration (though I doubt that), and the savings from not having to buy another piece of hardware? All the CF servers then connect to a separate DB server, which also has a hot backup. We can kill any machine in the rack and no one will know. And adding more CF servers is just a matter of putting it in and running a single script on the primary load balancer. Very nice setup, I think. cheers, barneyb -Original Message- From: cf-talk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFMX and ClusterCATS? Hi All, Sorry for the repost... but I can't believe that nobody out there has any info... Does anyone here have any experience with CFMX6.1 and clustering? I'm looking to load balance two T1 connections across 2-4 CFMX boxes. But before I go and recommend to my clients that this is the way to go, I'd like to play around with it a little myself. The platform would be Windows 2000 or Windows 2003 and CFMX 6.1 Enterprise. From what I've read about ClusterCATS it's supposed to install with CFMX right? Is this also true for the trial download of CFMX (which is the Enterprise version)? I'd hate to have to purchase a full blown enterprise version just to test this all out. As a side note... Windows 2003 has built in clustering which may or may not do what I need. Basically what I'm looking for is network load balancing (NLB) across 2-4 machines. If one machine fails (for any reason) I want it to go unnoticed by the customer. Can someone out there point me in the right direction? I have several boxes I can use to set this up and test with... Just need a push in the right direction. -Novak [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Web Reports
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Re: Active Content Embed (WAS: Macromedia sinks on sales ...)
If you use one object tag that is compatible with most browsers, it will disable the automatic updating of the Flash Player in IE. If you use nested object tags, IE will show two copies of the Flash movie. Matt Liotta wrote: > > You are correct. But Flash movies still require embed tags to > > work properly. If that is a no-go, you can't use Flash until > > Macromedia comes up with a Flash Player that can be invoked in an > > XHTML compliant way. I was hoping that Macromedia would come with > > a solution that solved both the Active Content and the > > non-compliance problems at the same time. > > > Last I checked Flash movies worked with just an object tag; no need for > embed. > > Matt Liotta > President & CEO > Montara Software, Inc. > http://www.MontaraSoftware.com > (888) 408-0900 x901 > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)
Dave Watts wrote: > > Common business practices are often considered unethical (especially by > people who don't benefit from those practices); what people are allowed to > do by law is not necessarily the same as what they should do. > > Eolas doesn't actually produce anything. To the best of my knowledge, they > didn't ever implement their idea, they just thought it up and rushed to the > patent office with it. IIRC they bought it from the University of California. >>They have offered to license their patent to Microsoft, so >>they are certainly playing fair. > > I was under the impression that they did not offer to license their patent > to Microsoft. I agree that they are "playing fair" in the sense that their > actions are legal, and maximize shareholder benefits, but they will > certainly have a negative effect on lots of third parties who have done them > no harm. I am sure a Eolas lawyer would rephrase that as: Who have profited from Eolas intellectual property without compensation. Jochem [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Active Content Embed (WAS: Macromedia sinks on sales ...)
Matt Liotta wrote: >>You are correct. But Flash movies still require embed tags to >>work properly. If that is a no-go, you can't use Flash until >>Macromedia comes up with a Flash Player that can be invoked in an >>XHTML compliant way. I was hoping that Macromedia would come with >>a solution that solved both the Active Content and the >>non-compliance problems at the same time. > > Last I checked Flash movies worked with just an object tag; no need for > embed. I had a little debate about that the other day and did some testing on that. Not all sorts of active content and not all parameters appear to work, but it works to display a movie without parameters. Jochem [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
CFMX and ClusterCATS?
Hi All, Sorry for the repost... but I can't believe that nobody out there has any info... Does anyone here have any experience with CFMX6.1 and clustering? I'm looking to load balance two T1 connections across 2-4 CFMX boxes. But before I go and recommend to my clients that this is the way to go, I'd like to play around with it a little myself. The platform would be Windows 2000 or Windows 2003 and CFMX 6.1 Enterprise. From what I've read about ClusterCATS it's supposed to install with CFMX right? Is this also true for the trial download of CFMX (which is the Enterprise version)? I'd hate to have to purchase a full blown enterprise version just to test this all out. As a side note... Windows 2003 has built in clustering which may or may not do what I need. Basically what I'm looking for is network load balancing (NLB) across 2-4 machines. If one machine fails (for any reason) I want it to go unnoticed by the customer. Can someone out there point me in the right direction? I have several boxes I can use to set this up and test with... Just need a push in the right direction. -Novak [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Active Content Embed (WAS: Macromedia sinks on sales ...)
> _javascript_ is NOT the only way you can embed content, in fact, it's > probably the most convoluted way. In the time it takes you to write the > _javascript_ you could run your URL through a Base64 converter and > slightly modify your call to use Base64 encoded data and be > done with it. It still embeds in HTML and it requires no _javascript_. > You are correct, but embedding the data of a Flash movie directly in the HTML has certain side effects to be aware of. For one, the size of the HTML page is increased to the point where in some situations that loading of the page simply take too long. Further, Flash movies embedded in HTML cannot be cached separately from the HTML like they are today. Matt Liotta President & CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Active Content Embed (WAS: Macromedia sinks on sales ...)
> You are correct. But Flash movies still require embed tags to > work properly. If that is a no-go, you can't use Flash until > Macromedia comes up with a Flash Player that can be invoked in an > XHTML compliant way. I was hoping that Macromedia would come with > a solution that solved both the Active Content and the > non-compliance problems at the same time. > Last I checked Flash movies worked with just an object tag; no need for embed. Matt Liotta President & CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)
> If this was about "protecting intellectual property" all of the browser > vendors would be in the same boat, however they're not. Microsoft was > targeted because they have the deepest pockets and the lion's share of > the browser market. > Again, Eolas is following the standard patent litigation strategy used across this industry and many others. People should remember that Microsoft is poster child of unethical business practices when they cheer them on. Matt Liotta President & CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Active Content Embed (WAS: Macromedia sinks on sales ...)
I would imagine that Macromedia probably will consider this option, but in the short-run they're putting together a fix for what currently exists. On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 12:37, Jochem van Dieten wrote: > Joshua Miller wrote: > > _javascript_ is NOT the only way you can embed content, in fact, it's > > probably the most convoluted way. In the time it takes you to write > the > > _javascript_ you could run your URL through a Base64 converter and > > slightly modify your call to use Base64 encoded data and be > > done with it. It still embeds in HTML and it requires no _javascript_. > > > > Unless I'm reading this wrong? > > > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/ieupdate/activexchanges.asp > > You are correct. But Flash movies still require embed tags to > work properly. If that is a no-go, you can't use Flash until > Macromedia comes up with a Flash Player that can be invoked in an > XHTML compliant way. I was hoping that Macromedia would come with > a solution that solved both the Active Content and the > non-compliance problems at the same time. > > Jochem > > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)
> Common business practices are often considered unethical (especially by > people who don't benefit from those practices); what people are > allowed to > do by law is not necessarily the same as what they should do. > While that may be true, it would seem to me then that it is actually the law that is considered unethical and not the company. The truth is that common business practices are just that; common. It is just that people only seem to get upset when one of those companies does something common that affects them. > Eolas doesn't actually produce anything. To the best of my knowledge, > they > didn't ever implement their idea, they just thought it up and rushed > to the > patent office with it. While this is perfectly legal, it strikes me > that > this behavior could be interpreted as parasitic, to say the least. I > can > certainly understand why so many people oppose software patents. > Is it then okay for a company that produces a product to patent other ideas they never implement? Because the practice of patenting ideas without implementing them into a product is quite common. I would even say that most companies engage in this practice, which by your logic would mean that most companies could be interpreted as parasitic. > I was under the impression that they did not offer to license their > patent > to Microsoft. I agree that they are "playing fair" in the sense that > their > actions are legal, and maximize shareholder benefits, but they will > certainly have a negative effect on lots of third parties who have > done them > no harm. > Eolas has offered Microsoft a license. Beware of Microsoft FUD! In regard to harming 3rd parties with legal actions, such is life. Most legal actions entered into for economic benefit harm 3rd parties. Matt Liotta President & CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)
Joshua Miller wrote: > > If this was about "protecting intellectual property" all of the browser > vendors would be in the same boat, however they're not. It is not and it was never about protecting intellectual property. It is about the exploitation of intellectual property to earn money. > Microsoft was > targeted because they have the deepest pockets and the lion's share of > the browser market. So if you can get them convicted throughout all appeals, the rest will not resist too much. Why do you think everybody always goes after Amazon, eBay, Google etc? Because they are market leaders with deep pockets to pay defence lawyers. So if they can't win in court, the small fry won't even try. > I personally appreciate the fact that Microsoft is not going to license > the technology I don't really care if they are going to license the technology or not, but continuing to sell products with that technology without licensing that technology does raise the stakes. Jochem [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Active Content Embed (WAS: Macromedia sinks on sales ...)
Joshua Miller wrote: > _javascript_ is NOT the only way you can embed content, in fact, it's > probably the most convoluted way. In the time it takes you to write the > _javascript_ you could run your URL through a Base64 converter and > slightly modify your call to use Base64 encoded data and be > done with it. It still embeds in HTML and it requires no _javascript_. > > Unless I'm reading this wrong? > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/ieupdate/activexchanges.asp You are correct. But Flash movies still require embed tags to work properly. If that is a no-go, you can't use Flash until Macromedia comes up with a Flash Player that can be invoked in an XHTML compliant way. I was hoping that Macromedia would come with a solution that solved both the Active Content and the non-compliance problems at the same time. Jochem [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)
Ding, ding, ding! There's the correct answer! If this was about "protecting intellectual property" all of the browser vendors would be in the same boat, however they're not. Microsoft was targeted because they have the deepest pockets and the lion's share of the browser market. I personally appreciate the fact that Microsoft is not going to license the technology and I will help by taking steps to modify my code to see to it that Eolas receives as little money as possible for this. Eolas basically cut off the little toe of the plugin world, but we will all adapt and be running fast as ever in no time. On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 12:07, Adam Wayne Lehman wrote: > Matt, > > > If he was suing Netscape & Apple I'd think differently. However he's > only targeting MS. > > > Adam Wayne Lehman > Web Systems Developer > Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health > Distance Education Division > > > -Original Message- > From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:38 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news) > > > > I still think Eolas is an ass. > > > This is now off topic, but I find it interesting that people consider > Eolas to some how be evil when every other software company has > patents > they enforce too. What specifically is your problem with Eolas? They > have offered to license their patent to Microsoft, so they are > certainly playing fair. > > Matt Liotta > President & CEO > Montara Software, Inc. > http://www.MontaraSoftware.com > (888) 408-0900 x901 > > _ > > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Active Content Embed (WAS: Macromedia sinks on sales ...)
_javascript_ is NOT the only way you can embed content, in fact, it's probably the most convoluted way. In the time it takes you to write the _javascript_ you could run your URL through a Base64 converter and slightly modify your call to use Base64 encoded data and be done with it. It still embeds in HTML and it requires no _javascript_. Unless I'm reading this wrong? http://msdn.microsoft.com/ieupdate/activexchanges.asp On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 11:41, Jochem van Dieten wrote: > Thomas Chiverton wrote: > > On Friday 24 Oct 2003 16:28 pm, Ciliotta, Mario wrote: > > > >>When will the article appear? I am interested in seeing all the > other > >>solutions that are available for use. > > > > Why ? > > Macromedia/MS have said this is the way it will work - you can bet > that > > shortly when you drop Flash into Dreamweaver, it will use this style > of code. > > > > What's the point of going off doing you're own think, with no > gurantee it'll > > (continue) to work ? I may not trust MS, but I do trust > Macromedia... > > Some of us need solutions that are XHTML compliant. > > Jochem > > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)
> If he was suing Netscape & Apple I'd think differently. However he's > only targeting MS. > It is standard practice to sue the big fish first before suing any other infringers. Again, Eolas is currently playing fair. Whether or not we like, they did get the patent and are allowed to enforce it. Matt Liotta President & CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)
> This is now off topic, but I find it interesting that people > consider Eolas to some how be evil when every other software > company has patents they enforce too. What specifically is > your problem with Eolas? Common business practices are often considered unethical (especially by people who don't benefit from those practices); what people are allowed to do by law is not necessarily the same as what they should do. Eolas doesn't actually produce anything. To the best of my knowledge, they didn't ever implement their idea, they just thought it up and rushed to the patent office with it. While this is perfectly legal, it strikes me that this behavior could be interpreted as parasitic, to say the least. I can certainly understand why so many people oppose software patents. > They have offered to license their patent to Microsoft, so > they are certainly playing fair. I was under the impression that they did not offer to license their patent to Microsoft. I agree that they are "playing fair" in the sense that their actions are legal, and maximize shareholder benefits, but they will certainly have a negative effect on lots of third parties who have done them no harm. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Eolas patent suit
> > I've seen no workarounds that will allow us to embed flash > > in an HTML e-mail message - scripting is out. This is a > > huge bummer. > > Why would you not be able to use the workaround already put > forward? I haven't paid a huge amount of attention as it > doesn't effect any of my past of near future work. If I understand correctly, the current workaround requires client-side scripting, which is certainly undesirable in email and disallowed by many for obvious reasons. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Eolas patent suit
Why would you not be able to use the workaround already put forward? I haven't paid a huge amount of attention as it doesn't effect any of my past of near future work. Thanks - Original Message - From: Jeff Beer To: CF-Talk Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:03 AM Subject: Eolas patent suit I'm more than a little worried about this change. My livelihood comes from developing and delivering flash-based newsletters and promotions in e-mail. When this change goes into effect, we're either out of business or facing the loss of our primary product. I've seen no workarounds that will allow us to embed flash in an HTML e-mail message - scripting is out. This is a huge bummer. (Please don't start a dialogue about Flash in e-mail messages. It's not spam, and it's desired by our clients and the recipients. I just wanted to show that this patent issue definitely affects some of us in major ways.) [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Eolas patent suit
Jeff Beer wrote: > I'm more than a little worried about this change. My livelihood comes > from developing and delivering flash-based newsletters and promotions in > e-mail. When this change goes into effect, we're either out of business > or facing the loss of our primary product. > > I've seen no workarounds that will allow us to embed flash in an HTML > e-mail message - scripting is out. This is a huge bummer. If you embed your Flash in the email message, does that still qualify as "an object external to the first distributed hypermedia document"? I thought al the Base64 techniques were also based on including the movie in the original request, so that would be allowed in email too. Jochem [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)
Matt, If he was suing Netscape & Apple I'd think differently. However he's only targeting MS. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news) > I still think Eolas is an ass. > This is now off topic, but I find it interesting that people consider Eolas to some how be evil when every other software company has patents they enforce too. What specifically is your problem with Eolas? They have offered to license their patent to Microsoft, so they are certainly playing fair. Matt Liotta President & CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
